Then it's a far bigger problem than we all thought if after our relegation form persisiting for over a month he's not in real danger of being sacked.
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To play devils advocate, say we brought Mourinho in and we went through another month of relegation form. Would you want him sacked?
That went well.
Ed Woodward doesn't have a clue about Football.
Well for starters I'd doubt no, I would be incredibly shocked, if that happened. In answer to that hypothetical situation though no of course I wouldn't want him gone. My gripe isn't only our dreadful results it's the fact that they're happening with a squad that LVG has assembled with however many millions and worked on for 18 months. If a new manager, in your scenario Mourinho, did come in then they would at the very minimum have the viable excuse that it wasn't their squad nor were their desired impacts happening yet. LVG cannot say it's not his squad or that he needs more time.
Only silver lining I can think of is the club know Pep is willing to come next season and they trust LvG over Giggs to guide the team to a top four finish.
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Best case scenario, but also the most unlikely. Louisball for another 18 months it seems. Hooray.
So again, hypothetically, if Mourinho went through this run of form 18 months into the job, what then?
My point is that a month of poor form doesn't seem that unusual these days. Personally my problem with LVG has been his style of football. Wanting him sacked because of the current poor run of form seems very harsh imo.
What's more likely is is having a clown for a Vice Chairman/CEO or whatever it is he actually is, who doesn't have a clue what he's actually doing so will just scramble from failure to failure and see us turn into fecking Liverpool.
But you would not be shocked if Mourinho would rather Martial Depay, herrera and anyone else young replaced for the finished product. That you would wager would bring a better chance of immediate success having world class finished product players brought in for them. LVG would have wagered the same I bet before he ok'd them. But he was made aware of how this club operates and I bet he adhered to that to a large extent! Now we are making him fall on a sword we handed him.
My only worry is we're gong to lose out on Mourinho. We need the special one to take control of this ship.
This is the scenario I'm praying for too. And that they share concerns over the effect Mourinho can have long term.
DDG is THE reason we have kept so many clean sheets, Smalling has been good also, next followed by the negative risk free football at the expense of us actually looking like a Manchester United team, lots of teams have got one on one opportunities in many of our clean sheet games, often better goal scoring opportunities than we created in the same games, he saved us, that is fine when you are going for it trying to win games and committing players forward, but we are not, we are now conceding goals regular, chelsea were shite today, they had no centre forwards yet DDG made 3 great saves. Blind is never a centre half capable of meaningful contribution to winning things for Machester United in the PL, ever, he is a good squad player.
Interesting point. If we're specifically talking about Mourinho, should he come in, get 18months, spend £100m and we're still playing dross football and go through a month of relegation form then yes, I would be calling for his head - I'd probably give him less time than that. I have no love for Mourinho so if he's coming to manage us, he'd better impress me, you call yourself "the special one" then you'd better prove it and I mean here, not by listing off the CV.
Other managers on the other hand, I'd probably be inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. It depends on what they are doing and if they seem to have a plan. I could put up with this type of form if we were playing exciting football, as along as the manager has the teams long term interests at heart then it's worth giving them a proper chance to get it right - at least 2 full seasons. I've given LVG a fair chance because he really does seem to have the long term in mind (even though he's not going to be here to see it). But you can't play awful football AND suffer this kind of form AND fail to even acknowledge it, while building for the long term. Unfortunately the modern game (business) doesn't allow for sustained short term failure for the promise of long term gain.
Someone like RVP?
They're not mutually exclusive. The poor run of form is a result of our performances which were being glossed over earlier in the season by narrow victories. It's not harsh at all, you cannot produce such displays unless you're grinding out results as its a results business. You cannot win 0 matches in 8, 4 of the last 17 and retain the support of the board after being trusted with shaping the squad using enormous amounts of money.
If Mourinho was here for 18 months and his greatest achievement was guiding us to the top 4 in a season with no other distractions followed by the run of results we've experienced after being given a quarter of a billion pounds to spend then yes I would probably say he wasn't the man for us either moving forward.
But all this crisis talk has been generated by the media. It sounded like fans around me were saying Looooooooouis as he was heading for the tunnel.
This decade?
These journalists.. Jesus Christ...
"He must win his next game or he'll be sacked... Ok now he really has to win his next game... Ok now he really really has to win his next game... Etc"
Why don't they just admit they know feck all?
"He must win his next game or he'll be sacked... Ok now he really has to win his next game... Ok now he really really has to win his next game... Etc"
Why don't they just admit they know feck all?
why the feck does he not sack him then, "football" we're being served up right now is nowhere close to being attacking football he envisioned.
and before the "we have no replacements" spiel mourinho is still waiting for his next job...
He's been finished as a top player for a good few years now. LvG was right to sell. Shame he has been so blind on Rooney.
They have mortgages to pay and columns to fill. It reflects badly on us that we ever read their shite.
Nonesense. We effectively handed him a blank cheque and yes none of us thought Memphis’ impact would be this minimal but his building for the future is not a blanket excuse when you consider the favouritism shown to Rooney or the fact we started the season with 3 recognised strikers, 2 of which were teenagers, 1 of which is now out on loan. What's most frustrating however is our performances where we're so dull and ponderous on the ball 18 months into this philosophy.
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If we build on today and buy a well in Jan then I SUPPOSE I could put up with him til the end of the season. If we don't win soon he'll be gone anyway.
I fear it won't happen now before April and he may well be here next year if he wins a cup. His post match was about Europa and I think the board has backed that plan. Jose, like Clough before him, is probably just too much for any United board. As to the fans criticism, it's probably being treated as a noisy rabble, I fear the blinkers are on. Making Rooney MOTM suggests OT has been pulling strings to shift the media spotlight.
I expect the questions over LVG will now shift to the transfer market. We may well buy in January and this will distract fans attention. The old game of give a dog a bone. Cynical but I expect a couple of buys that will distract attention long enough to see LVG through the season.
As to today's performance, the first half initially looked good but there were pointers that Chelsea could unlock us. That gaping gap in the middle occurred again, this time with Morgan and Basti shadowing each other rather than taking up different tactical positions - one offensive, one defensive. We did make chances in both halves and we were unlucky not to get a goal. But second half, it looked as if the show was over as we retreated back to type. Chelsea were allowed back in the game and we committed some brazenly stupid moves - Rooney should have received a red. By the last 20 minutes it was pretty mediocre and we limped home to a draw which suited Chelsea.
IMO those last 20 tell us most about the team that LVG has built.
Chelsea match means nothing to me.
LVG managed himself out of a job prior to today and a 0-0 draw against an interim manager with the trash heap that has been Chelsea this season means nothing.
I've lost all confidence in the board if they do not move after the Swansea match.
LVG managed himself out of a job prior to today and a 0-0 draw against an interim manager with the trash heap that has been Chelsea this season means nothing.
I've lost all confidence in the board if they do not move after the Swansea match.
SAF controlling BT Sport again.
Both Wayne and DDG had a laugh at that. The amount of abuse Rooney would be getting if he'd been given his red card would be a sight to see.
Why does Rooney get MOTM when DeGea, Martial, and Ander had much better games? It's corporate bollox and the football community slapping each other on the back. Even MOTD gave them a pass - so much for professional pundits.
I think you've nailed it here. I would love the ultimate twist to be Guardiola walking in the door in the summer.
I'm normally a very negative person but I honestly don't think it can get any worse than it is.
I've voted for LVG to get the sack because his style of football currently is shit on a stick, but, we've got a January transfer window where we WILL pick up a goalscorer, a creative player and/or a defensive palyer. Add to this injured players hopefully returning and we should be able to mount a title challenge (everybody is just as shit As us, we just need to up our performance a tad bit).
Lastly, I'm sick and tired of reading how shit we are every bloody day, I just want it like the old days where like The Goonies We never say die.
Rooney was a lot better than previous games but the two best players on the pitch were the goalkeepers!
It just shows how low the expectations have dropped for so many United fans. The majority were calling for his instant dismissal however after playing well against a poor Chelsea side at home and not conceding, despite not scoring a lot of them have changed their stance. Chelsea were there for the taking today. United teams of the past 15 years would've torn them apart as would a lot of current premier league teams.
The bridges have been burned a while now imo. I don't want to insult lvg because it's immature. I just hope we can replace him asap in a dignified manner.
The bridges have been burned a while now imo. I don't want to insult lvg because it's immature. I just hope we can replace him asap in a dignified manner.
That's fair enough but we're getting worse so I just can't see him getting top4 no matter who he brings in.
I don't think his buys have been particularly bad either, ADM obviously used us for a year and you can't really blame lvg for that but it's his random selection and subs and the thinning of the squad that's screwed us along with his tactics and stubbornness to change.
I just think anyone, even Giggs until the end of the season would give the team a boost it needs, or Mourinho now if we know pep is city bound.
They tried tonight for a while at least so I think they can pick themselves up but I think it would be better under someone else.
At this point, both he and the board as as much fault as LVG. He needs to go and focus on sponsors and let a DOF focus on the football. We will continue to suffer until that happens.
Time to change the thread title again. Andy Mitten says that we "fans are reluctant for managerial change". Link
There'll be no retaining of dignity at this stage I don't think. He's simply too stubborn to see the signs from our fans, and walk away. He has it in his head that it's all the media trying to turn people against him.
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