Hmm, he comes with a lot of baggage to be fair. I'd have given him the job, though. Anyway, the folk in charge think Van Gaal is still the best option. Sadly, I think we're going to find it difficult to finish top four within him in charge...Suppose we'll have to trust the men in power. That said if we play with the type of intent we showed against Chelsea in the first 30 mins I could stomach the next few months. But make no mistake we are showing relegation form.
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Hmm, he comes with a lot of baggage to be fair. I'd have given him the job, though. Anyway, the folk in charge think Van Gaal is still the best option. Sadly, I think we're going to find it difficult to finish top four within him in charge...Suppose we'll have to trust the men in power. That said if we play with the type of intent we showed against Chelsea in the first 30 mins I could stomach the next few months. But make no mistake we are showing relegation form.
My issue with him has always been his weird choice of personnel. If we can play this team with tweaks depending on opposition we will be fine and will get top 4. But I hate the fact he only does this when his back is against the wall.
Yeah, all eleven players who started today have been available to play every game recently but he chose not to play them....
The clueless gimps in the media. Don't worry, they'll still be taken as gospel on here once the transfer window opens in a week or so.
There's a difference between saying the defence is well organised and that our team is a solid defensive outfit. I'm only saying the former isn't true but the later is but then Allardyce could manage that so I'm not going to write it up as much of a positive on the manager. As you said we sacrifice our attack to gain the defensive solidity.
I liked the Memphis substitution personally but the Jones/CBJ ones were odd/stupid unless Blind/Darmian were tired or carrying a knock.
Tiredness, Schneirderlin, old habits.
feckin hell. I swear you've been making the same post every 2 minutes for 3 hours. Just have a breather
There weren't any attacking options on the bench left to be honest unless Pereira could change anything. May be throw on Fellaini for 5 mins at best and hope for a miracle.
At that stage it was probably good to take that point especially when Chelsea had golden opportunities on the counter.
Someone like Januzaz or Lingard would have been ideal to have a fresh set of legs to run at Ivanovic and give him trouble for a while.
What was the general consensus around you in stadium?
Martial owned the left. Soon ad Depay came on that avenue just closed. Even Martial suffered being moved on the right.
Well obviously neither Blind or Darmian were tired/had knocks because then you couldn't get outraged about it.
Darmian just came back from injury so it seemed like a sensible substitution. Blind seemed to be very tired to me. Made a mistake just moments before he got subbed. So for once I actually can understand his subs. The attacking options on the bench weren't there.
The silence is frightening and the thought of everyone (fans aside) being impressed with a 0-0 draw at OT is just as bad considering our recent form.
Everyone in the media reported he had 2 games to change things we've scored 0 goals and picked up 1 point yet suddenly it's as if he's won 5 on the bounce because of a decent 25 minute spell against the worst Chelsea side in years.
Everyone in the media reported he had 2 games to change things we've scored 0 goals and picked up 1 point yet suddenly it's as if he's won 5 on the bounce because of a decent 25 minute spell against the worst Chelsea side in years.
The atmosphere was best since the Liverpool game. Very few booes at final whistle.
We have been leaking goals all over the shop recently, and even games where we kept clean sheets, all those wonderful 0-0 draws, DDG saved us on numerous occasions, same today, our defence is far from fecking sound, ask me bollox if Daley Blind is a centre half, he is a squad player like john o'shea was.
Why are you so worried by what every who isn't a United fan thinks?
Not so sure it is such an easy thing to accomplish, there are a fair number of teams in the league that set up very defensively yet only one team has conceded fewer than us. Our defensive record is very good, our defense is very good imo. LVG definitely sets us up to emphasize that but it's not as if he doesn't know exactly what he is doing with tbe football style and players he chooses, we are playing defensively and doing it very well. It's just our attacking is shit and I completely agree that our defensive set up does take away from our play in the final third.
I meant regarding what the board should do with LVG?
I used to watch United with agitated anticipation. Your success & ability to win matches was both infuriating & enjoyable as a spectacle.
I can't even tune in and enjoy the football anymore. I'd rather watch Loose Women.
I can't even tune in and enjoy the football anymore. I'd rather watch Loose Women.
It's more the media side of it, they seem to think a 0-0 draw is a top result that will keep LvG in the job, all the pressure on LvG seems to have dropped its strange.
Yeah it would have been nice to have a game changer to come on at that point. Think Fellaini would have just made us less likely to score, we had some good link up play and that would have disappeared with him in there.
Well the season is a write off for me now. Obviously nothing's changing so you have to get behind the team but it's pathetic management on and off the field. I'd love to be proved wrong but I cannot see us making the top 4 now and I don't understand how the board can. 0 wins in 8 matches and what 4 in 17? Our response in that match was pitiful, we played well for around half an hour against a team that let us play well and then we proceeded to play the same old shite over and over again for the next hour.
Maybe the board are sticking to their long term plan but I can't imagine one that benefits from us losing CL football. We can forget the faint hope of attracting the Guardiola's of the world in the summer without it, the one world class manager available right now we aren't turning too so it must be Giggs in the summer.
Hate writing posts like these cause I sound melodramatic and all woe is me but I'm so disillusioned with the club.
Maybe the board are sticking to their long term plan but I can't imagine one that benefits from us losing CL football. We can forget the faint hope of attracting the Guardiola's of the world in the summer without it, the one world class manager available right now we aren't turning too so it must be Giggs in the summer.
Hate writing posts like these cause I sound melodramatic and all woe is me but I'm so disillusioned with the club.
Why do you care about the media so much? You were praying that your beloved media would kick up a stink? You want to see The Sun run more "United in crisis" crap?
Pray for a big United defeat to Swansea and maybe the media will give you what you want. . God knows the London media always has United's best interest at heart
i am talking about United (not teams in different leagues who are subject to very different challenges in terms of player recruitment and retention). Ignoring the English contingent like Rooney and Rio (as we don't currently have any young English players remotely in their class), we have developed two genuine world class players in the last 10 years - one left us for Madrid aged 24 and the other will probably leave us next summer. Therefore, neglecting older talent in favour of teenagers in the expectation they will both (1) develop into world class talent and (2) then give us 10 years is ridiculous. It's an extension of the "Moyes will stay 20 years" syndrome. By the way, neither Vidic or Evra were "youngsters" when they joined United - they were mid-20s and precisely the type we should be pursuing but no longer seem able to find.
It looked like Ivanovic figured Martial out after getting beat a few times and they both looked knackered so I liked the thought of a fresh Memphis coming on. He is strong, pacey, and likes to take on his man. Unfortunately his form has been very poor lately.
There's very little point in getting frustrated now. We may as well all just concentrate on creating the best atmosphere possible for the players to perform in. No managerial change will be happening.
I'm going to put my neck out and say that we'll win the league.
Yeah forgot Darmian had just come back and it has been a very busy period so it's not surprising they were tired.
Yes our excellent defensive record is all down to luck and DDG, got it. Blind has been very good for the majority of games, yes he has had some errors but he has still been very good for the majority of time in his new position.
Today was good but the result obviously want quite what we were wanting. I think of we get ourselves another winger in January and get Shaw back in action within a month or so (massively optimistic) we can make some strides forward.
One we move away from the totally shite way of passing the ball around the field extremely slowly and doing nothing going forward then we surprisingly look better (who'd have thought) if LVG can just change his tactics to be less rigid then we will improve dramatically.
One we move away from the totally shite way of passing the ball around the field extremely slowly and doing nothing going forward then we surprisingly look better (who'd have thought) if LVG can just change his tactics to be less rigid then we will improve dramatically.
I want to be positive so I'm backing you. We are going to win the league and the Europa League.
Unless we get relegated I'll take the Europa league and nothing else, as long as they are still giving CL qualification for the Europa winners.
2016-17 We go again.
Can I have some of what you're smoking!
Can you two explain to us lvg out guys your reasoning for this?
If you're disappointed he's not been sacked, you've only got yourself to blame for believing all the media and twitter bullshit. I don't think he was ever in any real danger, myself. Fully expect him to see out the season.
I want him out but I choose to be deluded until that happens.
3 wins in 16 games and he's still in a job. Incredible. Utd will get what they deserve this season and it won't be top 4.
The excuse that we don't have any young English players coming through is really a strange one to me. It's like the entire English set up acts as though it's something that aliens are responsible for. It is Manchester United's responsibility as well as the other English clubs to work on that and the fact as you claim that there haven't been many good ones is for me the worst thing that we can be accused for over the past 10/15 years. The big and top clubs all across Europe have developed some brilliant players but in England apart from Arsenal, everybody seems to be happy blaming the lack of local talent on some imaginary reason. The reason is quite simple, the academies in the country including ours are not doing their job and they should take responsibility for it. The problem though is that it's difficult to know from the outside whereas that is the case or is it simply the obsession with immediate success because of the PL's resources and rewards that is stopping these players from getting the challenge they need to develop. It is actually quite refreshing to see someone like LvG willing to risk his job by taking that gamble.
No it really is not an extension of the Moyes nonsense. I was never in favour of the man and I am generally not that particularly fussed about getting a manager in long term. I am however in favour of giving the team an identity and a clear vision and personality. This can be achieved through the way it plays and through possessing players that have become world class or at least very good players while playing for the team, and not parachuted from outside. This is why I used the examples of Vidic and Evra so I admit the use of the word youngster was a mistake. The best teams, not to mention, ones worth having an emotional connection too have a core, a soul, whatever you wanna call it really. The semantics here tend to anger people for some reason. There has hardly ever been a top team that have been a collection of ready made bought players from everywhere which is why I think that having a combination of home grown players + unproven players like that can grow with us like Blind or Herrera + a sprinkle of ready made top talent is the closest formula for success. Assembling a collection of ready made talent for fear of missing out on immediate success is ever only going to get you stuck in the same cycle year in year out, a bit like Chelsea if you will.
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