We're like that newly promoted team who punched above their weight for the first 10-15 games of the season, and now we're slowly fading away to mid table mediocrity i.e. where we belong.
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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Obviously not.
Man United are dead last over the last 6 PL games.
Our form right now is shit, agreed.
but, but, but our defense is sound.3 more goals then Sunderland. feck me.
I really wish he would feck off but looks like we're still stuck with him
He said there is no reason to sack him after the match
It is... not sure how our terrible attack negates our great defense (second best in the league so far). Don't get me wrong we have a lot of work to do in the final third but LVG has done very well with our defense and minimizing that is a bit odd.
I think the biggest issue is not manager right now but personnel.
Mata, Rooney, Memphis are all absolutely useless right now for various reasons. We have no depth and would be f'ed if Martial got crocked.
It's LvG fault for his dealings this window, but sacking him doesn't neccesarily fix this - we just don't have the players to break teams down. We need to splash the cash in January, properly. Buy two or three attackers, perhaps we need a DoF above LvG to make sure it's done right. But the players are still behind him, he's still a good coach it's just that our current front four is fecking appalling at the moment. Changing the coach doesn't magically fix that.
Mata, Rooney, Memphis are all absolutely useless right now for various reasons. We have no depth and would be f'ed if Martial got crocked.
It's LvG fault for his dealings this window, but sacking him doesn't neccesarily fix this - we just don't have the players to break teams down. We need to splash the cash in January, properly. Buy two or three attackers, perhaps we need a DoF above LvG to make sure it's done right. But the players are still behind him, he's still a good coach it's just that our current front four is fecking appalling at the moment. Changing the coach doesn't magically fix that.
Never has a 0-0 turned a managers season round like this.
Yo hol' up with that. Remember how we played against Wolfsburg? We also conceded two against Norwich City.
Because of Van Gaal's tactics. We have no depth because Van Gaal entered the season with the smallest squad ever. Obviously the players are to blame to some extent but we should be much higher in the league. We persist with shite football.
Only 8 teams have scored less then us this season in the PL.
Eight. fecking eight. And some of them have games in hand.
City are 5 goals away from doubling our total goals scored, and also have a game in hand.
Eight. fecking eight. And some of them have games in hand.
City are 5 goals away from doubling our total goals scored, and also have a game in hand.
Yes but overall we have conceded very few. Our defensive play has been exceptional for the majority of the season, of course there will be outliers. Our attacking play is where our players and LVG have fallen short, not defensively. Remember this is in the context of the whole season with a few games being the exception.
First decent 30 mins of the season. Looked like a team, hunger, movement, brains.
The LVG situation is incomparable to SAF decades ago. SAF was young, represented the future while LVG is staying for what, 1 more year at most? There is little moral high ground in sticking with the manager when he'll be gone next year (just about) anyway. Performances have been terrible but tonight is something to build on, for another manager.
The LVG situation is incomparable to SAF decades ago. SAF was young, represented the future while LVG is staying for what, 1 more year at most? There is little moral high ground in sticking with the manager when he'll be gone next year (just about) anyway. Performances have been terrible but tonight is something to build on, for another manager.
He's the luckiest manager I've ever known. He continues to get away with murder.
Those of you that lapped it all up when we played shite but scraped the points can feck right off too, you deserve this shit on a stick football. Plus those that were getting giddy at all the trophies he was going to bring when we were linked with him. I was right about all of my reservations surrounding this guy. He's a fraud and he's a complete idiot to go with it.
Those of you that lapped it all up when we played shite but scraped the points can feck right off too, you deserve this shit on a stick football. Plus those that were getting giddy at all the trophies he was going to bring when we were linked with him. I was right about all of my reservations surrounding this guy. He's a fraud and he's a complete idiot to go with it.
Last week: 'Van Gaal has 2 games to save his job'
Wins neither. No goals in either.
He is still here.
Wins neither. No goals in either.
He is still here.
Our defence has been protected by two DM'S and the sheer amount of possession we maintain.
The defensive unit itself isn't anything to speak highly of and has shown it's quality during the poor play on breaks and set peices.
His fortunes would change a lot if he had just 1 world class match winner upfront. Think of a Suarez or Robben instead of Rooney or Memphis. That would change a lot, really.
This actually couldn't be any more true. If you don't laugh you cry! We draw 0-0 against a team who came to play for a 0-0 and all of a sudden he's job is safe! Feck me.
Remember when asked about a lack of striking options after the last window, he replied that we also have Fellaini and Memphis? Christ. Every man and his dog could see that he'd left us too light in attack.
The outliers have come whenever we've tried to attack. We're not that well drilled defensively, we are just defensively minded. We keep the ball to protect our defence, it's far too slow and safe to wear the tire the opposition out or move them around. Our full backs aren't as dangerous going forward as those at other big sides and we generally play with 2 holding midfielders. 6 of the 11 games that Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin have started together have ended 0-0 apparently. In 18 months Van Gaal has not been able to find a balance where we can create chances without being a disaster at the back or we can be defensively solid yet still be dangerous going forward.
Incredible isn't it?
Oh, and he's also seemingly positive about it all.I feel like I'm living in some massive piss take, and Jeromy Beadle is going to walk out and be like 'Got ya!', this is all a massive wind up!
We draw 0-0 against a team who came to play for a 0-0 and all of a sudden he's job is safe! Feck me.
Agree. What's sad is that's now our level of ambition. We are absolutely fcuked
0-0, at home, with the team 16th in the table...and Manchester United fans are 'looking at the positives'
Its insane. Are we living in some parallel universe where Manchester United are a small tier club with limited resources?
Team is shit for the first half of the season. But a 0-0 result against a team in the bottom half is a job saver. Lol makes sense
you think Pep would be here for more than 3 seasons? Or do you want Giggs who would show 20 year loyalty if given the chance unlike Pep....
At least the whole 'Giggs as manager' scenario is making much more sense now. We probably shouldn't set our heights any higher.
I completely disagree with your statement that our defensive unit isn't anything to speak highly of, we can be vulnerable on breaks admittedly but no defense is perfect. Overall we have been very good defensively and the numbers show it, not really sure how that can be argued. Just because our personnel and play style help on the defensive side of things does not negate the fact that we have been great defensively. Now if you argued that our personnel and tactics took away from our attacking play I would be inclined to agree with you.
Him being our manager is now making me sick. Watching Utd used to be enthralling and at times magical. What the feck is this guy still doing in charge? Heads need to roll.
Said who?
I just question the premise of sticking with a struggling manager so he can erm continue his job for the next year and a half. That's even less of a reason to keep him on. Although I have floated the idea of transitioning him into head of youth development (which was shot down immediately here).
Pep for 3 seasons would be 3 more productive seasons than Louis can amass. Giggs can go do a job elsewhere. But I don't see how Louis has been vindicated or the players. Keep up this hunger and determination for the next 15 games and yes, they've turned a corner. Do we really want to play wait and see for another month?
So there is not even a rumors that he could be sacked if I understan it correctly? I mean FFS.
He's survived.
Suck it up and move on, ladies.
Suck it up and move on, ladies.
Because Giggs is low like Pep was when his club trusted in him......heaven forbid we should trust anything from within we should wait and take someone proven at other huge clubs but will have zero loyalty to ours!
Clearly done enough to keep his job.
Very defensive with his substitutions, again.
I may be a lone voice in the wilderness here, but I actually enjoyed our play in the first half. There was something neat, coordinated, and purposeful about our build-up play - I guess that's what LvG has been trying to achieve, and the onus is on the players to deliver his vision. In the 2nd half it went back to the way it's been for most of this season - dull, static, purposeless. Same players. It shows that they can do it. But they're unable to do so on a consistent basis.
Is there anyone here that can pinpoint the reason for the change from fluidity in the 1st half to bluntness in the 2nd?
Is there anyone here that can pinpoint the reason for the change from fluidity in the 1st half to bluntness in the 2nd?
Exactly how I feel.
He's totally and utterly ruined the fun and excitement of watching United play. Win, lose or draw. Its just pointless.
Maybe he's a great partner to go on the rip with? I'm clutching here.
I agree with that point, our set-up has limited our attacking play but that doesn't change the fact that our defensive record has been great. I'm not saying we're balanced or good going forward, we are definitely not! I am saying we have done well defensively and our record shows it. One could of course say that has something to do with the possession or DMs, well of course it does! How many teams that are very good defensively are also free flowing in attack?
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