Nothing top red about it man, just a bit of perspective.
EDIT: Good that the hierarchy here understand what a stupid, loaded, bull shit term it is as well.
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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EDIT: Good that the hierarchy here understand what a stupid, loaded, bull shit term it is as well.
Jesus wept! If RAWK has a RedCafe goes into meltdown thread, it'll be brimming with some right fecking beauties today.
He will be fired after the Liverpool game (in 3 weeks). Can't see this team getting a result there.
Yea let some keep thinking this senile old dinosaur can turn it around, when PL teams from the championship can tactically out smart him, how the hell can anyone think we will ever win a PL lol
You're answering your own question, mate. In a league where no team runs away, that means no team goes on long winning streaks. So, you need to keep the fecking pace set, cause the teams higher up will not go on losing streaks as we have done. we need to turn it NOW. Not in three weeks. And that is not possible with this man.
Point taken as well, however concerning last summer it depends on how you look at it and on what you want to achieve. We could have used the Mourinho method and bought a 28 year old top striker in the peak of his game and then run into the same issues in 2-3 years. Or we could buy Martial, have on/off performances now and be settled for the next 10 years. Same goes for all the squad players we sold. We could have stuck with them and give playing time to mediocre players a little longer, or we put in the youth hoping that they will improve beyond mediocrity and move towards a very good squad in the future. I would say that splashing the cash and keeping the squad players would be the safe approach, and LvG's one is the high risk high reward approach. At this point we do not see any benefits from it, so it is easy to say now that it was a poor decision because the fruit of this approach will only show in the long run.
Can't believe how positive some of the talk has been on the TV after that performance, was I watching the same game?
Some of you.....If he could keep that eleven fit and add a few new faces in January, then we could improve.
We're lacking in fair few departments.
We're lacking in fair few departments.
Ha ha, didn't notice that, probably still better than Memphis at the minute though!
The lads gave everything they had tonight which was great to see.
With that said Van Gaal still has to go for me. He has shown a gross incompetence for understanding how the premier league is played, and more importantly the style and history of the club. This league is all about power and pace. The great United side of '08, Mourinho's Chelsea in 05, and Wenger's Invincibles are great examples. If he wanted to build a team based on tactical nous and possession he should have stayed in Holland.
When you look at the players he's let go that possess pace i.e. di maria, Welbeck, Chicharito, Kagawa, Rafael, Nani, and loaning out Adnan we've surrendered our pace in attack while bringing in youngsters such as Martial and Depay who despite their big fees and potential lack the experience to compete for the title. IMO you can only play one of Rooney, Mata, and Fellaini in your starting xi as all 3 lack pace. (I'd personally argue Rooney is playing at a level I'd expect in the MLS but that's another matter.)
This side has an embarrasing lack of depth and quality up front and on the wings as well as at outside back. Van Gaal deserves 100% of the blame for poorly managing the composition of the squad. This mismanagement combined with the drudgery of the most boring football on Earth warrant the sack IMO.
With that said Van Gaal still has to go for me. He has shown a gross incompetence for understanding how the premier league is played, and more importantly the style and history of the club. This league is all about power and pace. The great United side of '08, Mourinho's Chelsea in 05, and Wenger's Invincibles are great examples. If he wanted to build a team based on tactical nous and possession he should have stayed in Holland.
When you look at the players he's let go that possess pace i.e. di maria, Welbeck, Chicharito, Kagawa, Rafael, Nani, and loaning out Adnan we've surrendered our pace in attack while bringing in youngsters such as Martial and Depay who despite their big fees and potential lack the experience to compete for the title. IMO you can only play one of Rooney, Mata, and Fellaini in your starting xi as all 3 lack pace. (I'd personally argue Rooney is playing at a level I'd expect in the MLS but that's another matter.)
This side has an embarrasing lack of depth and quality up front and on the wings as well as at outside back. Van Gaal deserves 100% of the blame for poorly managing the composition of the squad. This mismanagement combined with the drudgery of the most boring football on Earth warrant the sack IMO.
Thank you for the tip. If I'm going to be miserable about it I may as well make some money
If United are to stay relevant (and, in Champions League terms at least, they no longer are), they have to get out of this obsession with the promise of some bright future at the expense of the present. Look after the here and now rather than make 10 year plans in case young players don't fulfil potential or decide they want to move to Spain aged 24 and give their best years to Madrid.
Maybe he meant there is no reason for me to resign....because I'm getting sacked?
Watching United play right now is like baking a cake using your arsehole. It doesn't matter how good the ingredients are because it's still coming into regular contact with shit.
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I think the board are split over LVG's successor and this will prolong his stint here with several weeks. Obviously, Mou does not have enough supporters (Giggs as well).
Believable, cause some people on this forum seems to enjoy the process of it.
Sigh
They're as shit as we are, if not shitter. We've not won in 8 games, and they're still below us.
The game will be so bad, the Premier League will count it as a loss for both sides.
What is that even supposed to mean. All the great sides in Europe have had a large portion of them built from within. Our side in 2008 and 2009 had Rooney, Ronaldo, Evra, Vidic, Fletcher coming in as youngsters with academy products like Brown, O'Shea and many others at the heart of it. Barcelona are the same and this current Bayern side is no different. You look at Juventus last year and they had more than a handful of players that grew with the club experiencing tough periods like Chiellini, Marchisio and unproven players coming in like Vidal, Pogba and Morata.
I am not saying there is one way for success as that would be over simplistic but if one hypothetically wants to make the case for one, it clearly is building from within and complimenting by the ready made articles as opposed to building by buying ready made players. This notion that you suggest has been popular few years back when our fans were acting like teenagers starved off the buzz of big stars and blaming our issues on that when it was plain to see that all the best teams in Europe over the past decade have gone a slightly different road.
I just dont get it, after 1.5 years, and 250 million spent, when you look at the performances on the pitch, there has been no improvement. And were lucky all the teams around us are playing so bad, or else we`d be far far behind 4th place. Its been clear from every match, there has been zero improvemnent, all that I`ve witnessed is he destroys attacking players, as is obvious our attack has gotten worse every match
Apart from self praise and undeserved arrogance , this fraud has spent 250mill, and its clear the results will in no shape or form improve. The board should see the team with him have reached their peak, and his style of play is an absolute failure in the PL. As this is not Ajax, Barcelona or Bayern where he had world class players in mnay positions to bail him out, with those teams they can win most matches without a manager.
So it only makes sense the grossly incompetent board bring in a replacement to try and rejuvenate this stagnation
Apart from self praise and undeserved arrogance , this fraud has spent 250mill, and its clear the results will in no shape or form improve. The board should see the team with him have reached their peak, and his style of play is an absolute failure in the PL. As this is not Ajax, Barcelona or Bayern where he had world class players in mnay positions to bail him out, with those teams they can win most matches without a manager.
So it only makes sense the grossly incompetent board bring in a replacement to try and rejuvenate this stagnation
The issue to restate it, is this:
Something has to change.
Either the manager goes or you start another cull and replacement program immediately.
Sitting on our fecking hands is incompetence of the highest order.
Something has to change.
Either the manager goes or you start another cull and replacement program immediately.
Sitting on our fecking hands is incompetence of the highest order.
Why is this deluded? No team is running away with it this year. LvG undeniably has the experience, knowledge and balls to win a title, or at least to put in a good chase. We aren't too far behind. We've brought in some good signings. There have been glimmers of the team performing really well this season.
The pessimism and delusion that a number of fans have, the delusion that all problems will be solved by changing the manager after 18 months, is far more worrying and damaging to the club than LvG is
LVG can be that change, he has the capacity to fix our problems if he acknowledges them.
If they never went for him first time around (that was the catastrophic error that got us here in the first place) I can understand why they won't go for him now.
I'd also think Mourinho can't be mentally and spiritually ready for picking up our mess right now. He needs some months to cool off and get his head together.
I wouldn't hire Mourinho now either. I would in the summer when we fail to get Guardiola but not right now.
Apass, apass....apass,apass,apass!
But I don't like that. There is a very real possibility that we could stuff up this season and by then all the 'preferred candidates' have gone elsewhere because we pissed around . We should honestly do a Liverpool in that sack our manager now and to ensure we get the best available before it's too late. If we plod along with LVG miss out on top 4 and have no good candidates available then we've fecked up royally.
Man United are dead last over the last 6 PL games.
Man United are dead last over the last 6 PL games.
Thankfully league is over 38 games and not 6.
Looney Louis with his massive ego and arrogance will go down in history as Man Uniteds worst manager, considering the money hes spent and the results and style of play
Absolutely great input to this conversation there dude, glad you're a member of this forum. It wouldn't be the same without you.
This team, apart from the period between Bournemouth and Stoke, is a goalscorer away from being a top one. Not Barcelona top, but top enough to walk this league. By a goalscorer, I mean someone who can would have around 15 goals by now the way Agüero would if he was fit, Suarez or Neymar. Players who can create and score their own goals which is what these guys do for their teams. All those 0/0s would have gone very differently and the whole perception would change around the club. Yes you can argue that LvG can release the shackles and compensate for the lack of a player like that by playing more direct and taking more risks but that's just not the way this type of coach is. They emphasize structure which is exactly why we got him in the first place. We can either send him packing and build from scratch. In which case, I am not sure what are we supposed to build really and under who that would be more rewarding medium and long term. Or we can trust him for now to keep doing what he is doing and do whatever possible to give him that player that will change the goalless draws to wins and then go ahead to find someone who will build on the solid foundation he's built. The first solution is exciting and satisfying now, but I really think it's even riskier.
What if the new guy stuffs it up?
Had my doubts but my word, that sumptuous 0-0 win was something else. Job on the line and Mr.Van Gaal delivered, 1 point out of 6 with a half decent 30 minutes and one of the worst runs in our history. Step right up for your transfer war chest, you've earned it son, my word you have.
Worth the risk. Better than putting faith in a guy a who helped put us in this position
What if the sky falls on top of us? What if Eastenders get cancelled?
LVG has been awful for a long time now, it's time to move on. If the only thing we can say is "maybe it'll get better with LVG still in charge" then we've got a problem.
Was his job actually on the line or was that the press creating a crisis? Genuinely curious as to where this belief that he had been given an ultimatum regarding the Stoke and Chelsea games has come from.
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