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LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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We played well, not Van Gaal's fault that we hit the woodwork twice.
Heh. Inclined to think if he gets a transfer window spend, he'll be in place until CL is out of reach.
fecking hell. This is a bloody disaster!
The worst thing is that im sure this idiot will bench Schneirdeline and Herrera soon and we will revert to crap football as soon as Van Gaal feels safe again.
Pretty sure it's the only explanation for now. The board and owners only care about top 4 (Champions League money) to keep sponsors and premium partners happy, the football is secondary. This is the hard truth I'm starting to accept.
I don't even think the players are fighting for him, they didn't against Stoke.
Yup. A striker will be a mint. Even a second-tier punt will be expensive.
What about shakira and bojan from Stoke, would be decent squad players, just to increase our options, at this point we need to just throw shitloads of cash at our attack options and Stones.
I can't say anything meaningful anymore. Just please Louis f*ck the f*ck off you F*cking F*ck!
Fellaini for the Swansea game because Schneiderlin is lacking 'match rythym'
Good performance today! Shame that our players are awful in front of the goal..
Better performance but it all relative and he should be sacked. Here is why it is so scary for me a) we didn't have anyone to bring on when we were chasing a goal in the second half (that's LVG's fault) b) if we had of conceded one goal to Chelsea it was game over (that's LVG's fault).
LVG let Chicarito go because he thought Wilson would be his substitute CF. again a bone-headed decision that has left us unable to score goals because we are so reliant on a spent Wayne Rooney.
LVG let Chicarito go because he thought Wilson would be his substitute CF. again a bone-headed decision that has left us unable to score goals because we are so reliant on a spent Wayne Rooney.
It's not his fault his side looks continuously inept infront of goal? every. single. game. With the same goal tally as Bournemouth?
In which case it makes more sense to get rid now to ensure we do get it
I think people are forgetting that we've played a walking shambles-ranger today. Sure, we looked a bit better than the usual rain of shite but it's still this year's Chelsea.
Bit worried it's a downhill progression from here for a long time now. No one seems to know what the feck they're doing at any level of the club.
2 shots on target is not playing well
The Cowboys not winning has more to do with the salary cap creating extreme parity between teams and creating an ebb and flow between success and failure for all teams within the league, with that being said Jerry Jones is awful.
We're going to be fine but it will never be like it was, the competitiveness of the league is increasing and it will only make it more difficult to win the league any given year, but that doesn't mean we won't be relatively successful still. It's a tough time right now but it isn't permanent. The owners really aren't that terrible but that's a discussion for another thread.
Nor is it his fault that de Gea made three epic saves, and Matic has the composure of a three year old. nor that Chelsea always attacked every man for himself.
His tactics to keep passing the ball sidewards. It is clearly his tactics that we created 2 shots on target, and keep on creating feck all. He is clueless.It also wasn't Moyes' own squad. And for anyone who says it was a team which won the league by 11 points, LVG took over that same squad with the additions of Mata and Fellaini and spent 250m bringing in who he wanted whilst getting rid of players he deemed not good enough.
Either the players aren't playing for him, in which case he has to go, or the players brought in weren't good enough. If that's the case then we need another rebuild, and I don't think getting the man who pissed up the first rebuild to do it is such a clever idea.
How anyone can look at the results since April, the style of football in his entire reign, our record under him in the cups and think he should stay in a job is astounding, it really is. But for a tremendous January, which is unlikely given our recent history with transfers, our season is completely fecked. In December.
LVG: "Manchester United has a lot of confidence in its manager and I've not received that in every club. That is my feeling...."
That would explain how far behind we are from Bayern and Barca. They acted swiftly while we are messing around and keeping you.
That would explain how far behind we are from Bayern and Barca. They acted swiftly while we are messing around and keeping you.
Every game we play right now is tough! Just need a few wins from somwhere.
Retaining faith in him may be totally the wrong thing to do, it certainly is according to the majority of the cafe, but I quite admire the boards stance. It's identical to SAF all those years ago!
I did not want SAF sacked then I i don't want LVG sacked now. Maybe that's unfashionable but so be it.
I don't think this squad is that short. Get in a quality goal scorer in January and that will solve a lot of our issues. Get players fit and that solves another. Last, make sure then players know their careers at this club is on line as much as the managers.
If all three happen, I can see a turnaround. I'm refuse to join this media created crisis. Things are not good but can be quickly salvaged.
RIGHT NOW, retaining belief and support in LVG is our best chance of getting top 4. I don't think Giggs or Mourinho is a better strategy right now.
Then in the summer, terminate LVG if must and recruit preferred candidate
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Did you watch the game? Serious question.
Of course, if Guardiola is lined up for the summer....
It makes no sense though. If they care so much for the top 4, then it makes sense to get rid of Van Gaal and so actually have a chance on finishing in top 4. Because with LVG in charge, we surely aren't.
It made sense to do so with Moyes, because when they decided he needs to get sacked (late February/early March) the top 4 was already out of reach and so they waited for that clause to be activated. Otherwise, they would have needed to pay 25m instead of 5m to him. But on LVG's case makes no sense at all, sack him in the summer means pay him a year wages in addition to the wages from now till the end of the season. sack him now it means to pay 1.5 year wages. It is exactly the same financially wise.
I think that the only way this madness makes sense is if Ed's job is somehow related to LVG's job. Maybe if LVG fails, then it be viewed as Ed's failure too and he will go in the previous position with footballing decisions getting made by someone else. But that is going too far from me.
The other possible scenario is that the board and co are idiots. Football men love this 'better than others nonsense, not a sacking club, yipes he gave debute to Varela, forget that we are in relegation form' while the actual board are idiots when it comes to footballing decision. Again, quite unlikely.
So, I have no fecking clue what is going on. It is beyond a farce now, it is beyond Moyes-scenario level of stupidity. It is right there with Liverpool decisions in the nineties.
How is losing to your biggest rivals much worse than losing to the likes of Leicester, MK Dons, West Brom (at home), Swansea, Boro, Bournemouth, Norwich or PSV? Or drawing against the mighty Cambridge? Or conceding 5 to Leicester? Or conceding 4 to MK Dons? In fact, under Moyes, we played two teams vying for the league whilst scoring 100+ goals. Had we played the same Liverpool and City this year, we'd have been smashed to bits.
We've lost to relegation fodder on a consistent basis under van Gaal, we've scored 10 goals in 9 home games under van Gaal, we've scored 22 fecking goals in 19 games under van Gaal.
Ironic you mention no game plan, what on earth is our game plan, at this moment? Be as clueless as possible? The simple fact that Moyes' United is still being compared (in the wrong way) to this current team tells you all you need to know.
I watched the game. The first 20 minutes were very good and a serious improvement. The second half there was 0 penetration, despite possession domination. United had 2 shots on half in the entire game. Let's also remember that we were playing a team who were dross, kept giving the ball away to us and were second to every ball.
It is the same old story that's what the problem is.
At what point will Mourinho feck us off as well though? we could drop to 10th next week and sit 8 points off fourth spot (we lose and spurs win) why would he come here with rumours of Madrid wanting him back?
Yeah, you might be spot on here. There are rumblings on Twatter and journos like Delaney are basically saying exactly that.
They have incredibly high standards, success on the pitch is the first and foremost thing that has to be right...we seemingly do not share that same attitude at board level.
It'll just roll on and on until top 4 is mathematically impossible, which given how this season is playing could take a very long time, he could even make it which would no doubt vindicate Woodward.
LvG discusses 'lies' in media,admits in 'crazy world' anyone can be sacked. Says 'crisis' created mainly by 'environment' outside club
so 4 wins in 17 games were created by environment outside the club?
This guy's delusion wen't further than Moyes
so 4 wins in 17 games were created by environment outside the club?
This guy's delusion wen't further than Moyes
I think it's fairly clear that he is not going anywhere anytime soon so we best hope that those four losses have given his ego the batterinh it deserves and he will at least sign the right players next month. The problem is as soon as this cnut feels safe again he will revert to type and whatever positives he'd have extracted will vanish.
Winning without winning. We're all winners today
Can't wait for LvG to lift the title and to rub it in the face of all you mongoloids. Come on United! 
On his future: "I cannot have any influence on that. I can only work with my players and you have seen that my players are fighting for me and that they have given a good performance. Even after this result, the fans were applauding, so I cannot say that I am very much concerned but in this football world, you never know. But I have full confidence in the board and in my players. When the players can give such a performance under this pressure, then it is not any reason to resign for me. Maybe the media wants that but I shall not do that. It’s not a question of staying, it’s a question of fulfilling my contract."
He's clearly had reassurances that he's safe, his whole tone and attitude is different. It's a piss take to put it lightly.
I think he will be sacked tommorow. I so bloddy hope he will be.
I lost almost all passion towards United, watching games becuase I am used to and not because I enjoy watching them, don't watch any pre/post match conferences, I don't watch any football shows... It just drained all passion out of me and I feel very sad about it. Football is a huge part of my free time, I can't describe how terrible is it because I am not even looking forward till next game because I just can't see how we could win.
I lost almost all passion towards United, watching games becuase I am used to and not because I enjoy watching them, don't watch any pre/post match conferences, I don't watch any football shows... It just drained all passion out of me and I feel very sad about it. Football is a huge part of my free time, I can't describe how terrible is it because I am not even looking forward till next game because I just can't see how we could win.
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