Giggs needs to follow LvG out of the door, this idea of Fergie managing Giggs is ridiculous.
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Let me get this straight. At the beginning of the season we played dull as shit football, were aided by opposition defenders and won 6 out of 9 games. Since then we've played in the exact same manner, however, haven't been aided by mistakes from our opposition and have won 2 out of 9 games and the fans are partly to blame? Utterly bemusing the excuses afforded for van Gaal. The fact that he's failed to get us playing decent attacking football over 18 months is also the fault of the fans, too?
Why? that wouldn't last forever, plus Giggs has still not shown ANYTHING that should give him the reins.
i'm so glad there are other consequence-thinking people here.
Doesn't that create some problems? So are the players playing for Giggs or for SAF? And what happens when SAF decides to call it quits again?
We just scraped 4th despite no European games, getting knocked out of both domestic cups in early rounds. Had quite a few fluke results. The football on display has been sleep inducing and has gotten progressively worse as the philosophy and process become more ingrained within the team.
Let's blame the spoilt idiotic fans, and the anti-United press core who don't understand football, go to games, creating a toxic atmosphere for the great LvG to make his life difficult. I'm sure this from fans watching their football on streams. I'm positive match going fans of other top teams would not have endured this for such a long time. Accepting mediocrity is not supporting the team or club.
Let's blame the spoilt idiotic fans, and the anti-United press core who don't understand football, go to games, creating a toxic atmosphere for the great LvG to make his life difficult. I'm sure this from fans watching their football on streams. I'm positive match going fans of other top teams would not have endured this for such a long time. Accepting mediocrity is not supporting the team or club.
The fans - particularly the match-going fans - are the LAST group that should be blamed for what is happening. If anything, they've been too patient.
We know that but it looks like people behind the scenes are pushing this. Glazers need to take off their passive cloak and lay down the law if they don't want Giggs.
Otherwise, our supporters could make their feelings known on this?
Might as well protest about not wanting Giggs, as project LVG is done and he's on his way out now.We should also blame the United fans for the fact that a nearly identical situation played out with LVG at Bayern five years ago.
Great post sultan. Some people seem to want to blame everyone but LVG.
Woodward is to blame as well.
We know that but it looks like people behind the scenes are pushing this. Glazers need to take off their passive cloak and lay down the law if they don't want Giggs.
Otherwise, our supporters could make their feelings known on this?
I know, I know. It's just.. I love our team, and I fear for our future. And it's being manhandled. It's kinda like seeing a loved one being on a cliff. Fecking close to falling, but you can't reach her. Luckily, there's a chance the fall is just a couple of cm. But I want fecking Superman to come lift her up when she falls and put her back on top.
We agree, I just think that it's important to make it clear that our crisis is due to on field issues and that the negativity only exacerbated an existing problem. @Burrow 's post sounded like the crisis was due to the atmosphere when it's not, but maybe it's not what he meant.
This blame game is stupid 
Bravo mate, spot on.
Has LvG not praised the fans on a number of occasions being so supportive compared to other clubs despite the teams form?
Let's make a list of people to blame...
Scholes
Neville
Rio
Sharpe
Kanchelskis
Parker
Canteen lady
Cathy Ferguson
Shaun Custis
Scholes
Neville
Rio
Sharpe
Kanchelskis
Parker
Canteen lady
Cathy Ferguson
Shaun Custis
Rooney
Giggs
Carrick
Jihadi John
Giggs
Carrick
Jihadi John
Brilliant post! Bravo!!!
Somebody will find a way to blame the Kardashians too.
Match going fans
The Caf
The Caf
Like I said - perhaps the fans need to be vocal and make it clear we need to go for the best option? Maybe then the club won't 'fall off the cliff'? Giggs is not it. Can't believe men who can wrap up a £750M deal with Adidas can't see the disaster unfolding if they get Giggs instead of whomever is available? Why are they afraid of?
Think the Glazers will get fed up and sell. Then unfortunately for people who've long had power at United - I don't think new owners will be afraid to choose whomever they want to run the club - and it certainly won't be the old guard.
Aye, if we had someone in that position befitting of Rooney's salary, status and role at United, I'm sure our attack and team would be a damn sight better. Honestly think it would have had a significant transformative effect on the team overall as we desperately lack that leadership, someone to turn to when the chips are down and that talismanic forward who can lead and elevate the young attack and the team. This is a fairly young-ish squad which doesn't really have an identity as of yet, and a talismanic forward could have helped immensely during this development phase. Instead of a Müller, Suárez or Sanchez, we tragically have Rooney.
Tbf to him though, that logic could be applied to the likes of Mata (having a proper playmaker would have been invaluable) and other senior and underperforming players but then, it's fair to say that Rooney should shoulder more responsibility than others in that regard imo. Obviously, he isn't the sole reason for our current malady, but he is a significant reason as to why our attack is toothless and almost non-existent.
Epicuris
Nebuchadnezzar
Chengiz Khan
Tommy Doherty
Josef Stalin
Private Baldrick
Darth Vader.
Nebuchadnezzar
Chengiz Khan
Tommy Doherty
Josef Stalin
Private Baldrick
Darth Vader.
I don't think there are any here that claims everyone else is to be blamed except LVG. I don't know how you could have gleaned that.
I think all some posters are saying is that yes, LVG is mainly to be blamed but there are others that have certainly contributed to the malaise of the club in some shape or form.
Plechazunga
He has indeed.
Whilst I don't agree with the idea of booing the team off the pitch I do find it a bit rich to blame match-going fans for all this, people pay thousands of pounds to go and watch shite, loosing, boring, pointless football and were at fault for pointing that out? There has always been doubts there but its really only in the last few games where the fans have really turned on lvg inside the stadium and its definitely a reaction to the situation rather than the other way around. Even against norwich there was fans singing lvg's name in the first half. Whilst the anger directed towards the manager and players doesn't help immediately I can't really see what else people are supposed to do, just sit there silent and accept crap football and crap results?
I miss him.
So the fans are now to blame? That's fecking genius. Bravo whoever said that first, your brain is truly fecked.
Why are lvg apologists coming up with increasingly desperate reasons to try and deflect from the shit job he's done this season?
Why are lvg apologists coming up with increasingly desperate reasons to try and deflect from the shit job he's done this season?
Moyes was not given 18 Months. LvG was not booed last year despite being rubbish. There comes a breaking point
LVG has also said that the team was doing ok, just not scoring enough but the fans laughed. The fans were already on his back, if he said anything negative about the fans the negative reactions would have been far worse.
It's not complicated for me at all, but let me make this simple for you. According to reports, the players have fallen out with LvG, they want him out, and the only way they can get him out is if the team is not getting results. The players will not perform to keep him in his job, it's human nature.
Well, considering LVG did bring the club from 7th back to 4th, I'd say he deserves more time than Moyes. Of course, whether it should be a further 12 months or 24 months is up for debate.
He did, tbh he has had a lot of support from the match going fans.
According to reports..... Its well beyond you capability as you have just demonstrated.
Don't worry though, I won't hold it against you.
Do you watch us play? Looks like one of the people who think Rooney had a good season last season because of stats. Our football has been horrible since City home last season.
What would the difference be between a DOF and Sir Alex's role at the club? Until recently Cruyff has had a similar role at Barca for example.
Obviously Giggs has shown something behind the scenes or in his coaching role that has given the board confidence he has the tools to be a success. This forum treating it as the end of the world is a bit much imo.
Sadly, this seems to be the case. The players don't look like their hearts are in it. If what some of these reports are saying is true, that LVG has tried to resign twice then I think he understands it himself. Then if and only if that wish to resign was true, I wonder if LVG even has the motivation himself to keep going.
Last season is gone. Haven't you been watching this season?
I absolutely hate you, I was/am a Rooney fanboy and I couldn't stand your posts against him. But you were probably right from the beginning.
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