LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!

[Barca84]

I will be absolutely gobsmacked if he doesn't resign immediately after the match today and I don't think a win would alter that.

LVG has thrown in the towel. That's obvious to everyone including the players - how on earth can you come back from that?

 

[sunama]

to make it clear. i dont see us getting Guardila mate.

This is obvious to me, too.
But our board have a history of chasing unobtainable targets, then when these fails we either have nothing (which is what happened last Summer with our transfers) OR we end up panic buying on the last day (which happened when buying Fellaini, and paying more than his release clause).

Bayern appear to do business differently, where they act early, positively and remove uncertainty at the earliest opportunity.

 

[Oneunited26]

It absolutely can get worse. No one actually believes we'll keep losing games forever with LvG. That's not what it's about. I think there's a decent chance we'll make top 4 if he stays, and a decent chance we won't. If we get Giggs, we're potentially in for a world of trouble. Unless he turns out to be another Guardiola, which is unlikely to say the least, we could be in for a long slide.

Under VG we will continue in this free fall speed, if we get beaten badly tonight or just get beaten, VG should be a gonna

 

[Fully Fledged]

I think that he meant mentally tired.

If we had a bigger squad he could have given some of them a week or so off. let them go abroad and recharge the batteries and come back fresher.

 

[pocco]

Even if we win today, it changes nothing. We need to keep things in context, Chelsea are loitering around the bottom of the table. A result against them is no achievement.

If a win means that he can go with his head held high, then great. But he needs to go.

 

[sunama]

LVG has thrown in the towel. That's obvious to everyone including the players - how on earth can you come back from that?

That's what I thought after the Norwich game, when he was getting boo'd.
His head was done and he looked like a man who had no other ideas or strategies to get us out of these losses.
The board should've been onto this the moment they saw this. Unfortunately, our board are very slow to react.

 

[Barca84]

Even if we win today, it changes nothing. We need to keep things in context, Chelsea are loitering around the bottom of the table. A result against them is no achievement.

If a win means that he can go with his head held high, then great. But he needs to go.

Agreed. I don't think the result today matters. Whatever happens v Chelsea I think Giggs will be in charge for the next game. How long for I don't know but it looks to me as though they're wary of Mourinho and Giggs will be in post by default.

Uncertain times this

 

[FC Ronaldo]

 

[JPRouve]

If we had a bigger squad he could have given some of them a week or so off. let them go abroad and recharge the batteries and come back fresher.

I'm genuinely intrigued by that, ZDwyr made the same remark and I don't understand how you imagine it. The entire team has hit rock bottom, the 30 players, we are not talking about a handful of players here, but the entire locker room, staff included.

They all lost confidence at the same time.

Edit: I'm not provoking you, I'm just asking myself if you saw the players lose faith one by one.

 

[Ixion]

I think I could lead us to beat this Chelsea team. I refuse to believe these reports Van Gaal is practically resigned to losing this game.

 

[sunama]

I think I could lead us to beat this Chelsea team. I refuse to believe these reports Van Gaal is practically resigned to losing this game.

Mate, if you had lost 4 games in a row (including the likes of Norwich and Bournemouth) and drew the previous 3 games before that, you too, would lack confidence.
It would be illogical for you to think you can beat CFC, having been beaten by lesser teams in the last few weeks.
I would describe us as "fodder", meaning that when teams need 3 points and need to work on their goal difference - play MUFC. We are easy to beat and this has been demonstrated regularly in the last few weeks.
Tactically, we are abysmal and are getting out-witted by teams who have just come from the Championship.

 

[jojojo]

Can't see the club/Woodward briefing that to the press. The manager wants to quit and the team is a lost cause but you're holding on for dear life. Why would he do that?
If anyone is talking it's Lvg himself.

Yep. Apparently today's headlines are all based on comments from LvG himself.

This is a good comment, i think that Guardiola is the reasons of Van Gaal keeping his job. IMO Woodie wants to buy some time to sound/ secure Guardiola. In this scenraio sacking Van gaal has zero sense.

The trouble is keeping LvG also has zero sense. Something needs to change, LvG has admitted that. If he makes significant changes after 18 months of laying down the law on playing style, training and the players, then he'll lose whatever authority he's still got. The whole idea of the ***********/manager chat is that the players have to trust him absolutely.

The time for change was months ago. He ignored the problems with his formation, tactics and team selection. It's too late for him to change the approach and follow it up with the, "do it for the fans," speech. At least that's my guess.

 

[Oneunited26]

It's not just your post. This Giggs idea needs to be killed already. Pep is coming, Simione too if Chelsea are intent, Klopp already did, Wenger isnt leaving, and Jose might just take a job at a club on the brink of top 4 to stay in England.

Giggs isnt ready for the hell that will be EPL next year.

I do not get why we have to got mourinho by now, now give someone like mourinho a motive to really drive his team he could be a fantastic and important signing, with his the Chelsea squad turned on him, having him manage Uniteds group of players we could sling shot up the table

 

[Godfather]

IF it's true that LvG is still in job for the sole reason of Ed Woodward hiring him, then our board is really fecked.

 

[Godfather]

It's not just your post. This Giggs idea needs to be killed already. Pep is coming, Simione too if Chelsea are intent, Klopp already did, Wenger isnt leaving, and Jose might just take a job at a club on the brink of top 4 to stay in England.

Giggs isnt ready for the hell that will be EPL next year.

I agree with this.

 

[acrebo]

Mate, if you had lost 4 games in a row (including the likes of Norwich and Bournemouth) and drew the previous 3 games before that, you too, would lack confidence.

There's lacking confidence and then there's publicly saying you don't think you can win a game. I've not seen actual quotes, so forgive me for presuming, but I can't believe LVG would actually say he doesn't think he can get this team beating Chelsea.

If it's true and he's basically offered up his resignation, only to be told by Woodward to stay, then that simply must be to ensure timing is set up for his replacement. No way we can keep with a manager that doesn't think he can improve us.

 

[Burrow]

Some of you lot could read something negative about this club on a small note, believe it 100% and slate every single person related to the club for it. The way people tend to attack everyone affiliated with the club, management or what not is ridiculous. People are attacking Sir Bobby Charlton, Ferguson, Ed, Glazers, the manager, the players, thinking everything is wrong with the club. We're fecking spoilt, and our "fans" are getting on the verge of ridiculous for the last few months. It seems as some of you are just looking for new ways and theories to complain and attack the club simply because it suits your agenda.

This "crisis" has been self made. We kept churning out wins and results despite boring and tedious football, but as soon as the wins werent enough we started to complain. Fair enough, the match goers are by far more authorised to voice their complain than a lousy foreigner like me, but the results started going to hell when we, the fans, demanded attacking football. I'm absolute certain that most of you would take the boring wins right now, and most certainly would complain about that as well.

There is a Norwegian saying that is somewhat roughly translated to "Happiness in unhappiness" which I'm sure should be the Caf slogan these days.

 

[Offside]

Giggs to the end of the season and then Guardiola would be decent.

If we had a scenario where the players and fans knew Pep was coming at the end of the year, we had Giggs promising to play attacking Football and he had great support from Alex Ferguson, it would be great.

If we had a scenario where Giggs was appointed and there was no talk of Pep, just a presumption he was off to City, Jose was available but we didn't appoint him leading to fan discontent, it would be a horror show scenario. I'm sure we wouldn't finish top 4.

The board needs to do the right thing quickly before we are left too far behind. I'm on the side of many who think the right thing is to sack Van Gaal tomorrow regardless of Chelsea reult and appoint Jose Mouriniho

 

[Member 5225]

This is so tedious

 

[Judas]

This is such a bizarre period. Those weeks (or months depending how you felt) wanting Moyes to be sacked were pretty simple compared to this.

 

[Spoony]

If LVG is lacking confidence in his ability to turn it around then surely the players must be too? Makes no sense whatsoever to allow him to continue. I'd have let Giggs take the reigns before appointing a new manager before the Swansea game. Who knows? we may win today, but all things considering it's bloody doubtful, isn't it? It's a worry though, that it's all gone to pot so quickly.

 

[nimic]

but the results started going to hell when we, the fans, demanded attacking football.

Come on Burrow, this is blatantly not the case.

 

[Jazz]

Some of you lot could read something negative about this club on a small note, believe it 100% and slate every single person related to the club for it. The way people tend to attack everyone affiliated with the club, management or what not is ridiculous. People are attacking Sir Bobby Charlton, Ferguson, Ed, Glazers, the manager, the players, thinking everything is wrong with the club. We're fecking spoilt, and our "fans" are getting on the verge of ridiculous for the last few months. It seems as some of you are just looking for new ways and theories to complain and attack the club simply because it suits your agenda.

This "crisis" has been self made. We kept churning out wins and results despite boring and tedious football, but as soon as the wins werent enough we started to complain. Fair enough, the match goers are by far more authorised to voice their complain than a lousy foreigner like me, but the results started going to hell when we, the fans, demanded attacking football. I'm absolute certain that most of you would take the boring wins right now, and most certainly would complain about that as well.

There is a Norwegian saying that is somewhat roughly translated to "Happiness in unhappiness" which I'm sure should be the Caf slogan these days.

Best comment ever. Confidence all started going to shit when media, some fans and ex players kept putting the pressure on. I knew it would feck our season. WAs so obvious. At the end of the day we needed to get results one way or another - never mind how boring - because were still trying to get back to where we were - this was the most important thing - not exciting football - we could have waited for that or binned LVG at the end of the season provided that we were still getting results. Instead we've created a mess in the middle of the season.

It serves us right what comes next. In the meantime, LVG needs to resign and leave the madhouse behind. I can't bear the circus anymore.

 

[Burrow]

Come on Burrow, this is blatantly not the case.

Really? I seem to remember that we started to chant "attack, attack, attack" and putting pressure on our players while we were at the top of the league and kept winning. According to the fans and media, we were in a "crisis" despite being two points off the top..

I'm just saying that we're part of this crisis ourselves, despite the posters on this forum trying to put the blame on absolutely everyone else. Manchester United is suffering due to their spoilt fans, and by trying to blame everyone we're not doing what we can do help the team.

The only time the fans will be happy is if we fire the manager and try again with someone else rather than get behind the team and try to inspire the players. I'm just a terrible fan, sitting in Norway whilst complaning about everyone else like the rest of you, but the team needs support more than us supporters need to blame everyone and making our discontent heard everywhere we go.

 

[Jazz]

Really? I seem to remember that we started to chant "attack, attack, attack" and putting pressure on our players while we were at the top of the league and kept winning. According to the fans and media, we were in a "crisis" despite being two points off the top..

I'm just saying that we're part of this crisis ourselves, despite the posters on this forum trying to put the blame on absolutely everyone else. Manchester United is suffering due to their spoilt fans, and by trying to blame everyone we're not doing what we can do help the team.

The only time the fans will be happy is if we fire the manager and try again with someone else rather than get behind the team and try to inspire the players. I'm just a terrible fan, sitting in Norway whilst complaning about everyone else like the rest of you, but the team needs support more than us supporters need to blame everyone and making our discontent heard everywhere we go.

Well said Burrow.

 

[J-Stander]

Really? I seem to remember that we started to chant "attack, attack, attack" and putting pressure on our players while we were at the top of the league and kept winning. According to the fans and media, we were in a "crisis" despite being two points off the top..

I'm just saying that we're part of this crisis ourselves, despite the posters on this forum trying to put the blame on absolutely everyone else. Manchester United is suffering due to their spoilt fans, and by trying to blame everyone we're not doing what we can do help the team.

The only time the fans will be happy is if we fire the manager and try again with someone else rather than get behind the team and try to inspire the players. I'm just a terrible fan, sitting in Norway whilst complaning about everyone else like the rest of you, but the team needs support more than us supporters need to blame everyone and making our discontent heard everywhere we go.

The chants started after the Palace game when we'd gone 3 games without scoring a goal.

 

[MDFC Manager]

Some of you lot could read something negative about this club on a small note, believe it 100% and slate every single person related to the club for it. The way people tend to attack everyone affiliated with the club, management or what not is ridiculous. People are attacking Sir Bobby Charlton, Ferguson, Ed, Glazers, the manager, the players, thinking everything is wrong with the club. We're fecking spoilt, and our "fans" are getting on the verge of ridiculous for the last few months. It seems as some of you are just looking for new ways and theories to complain and attack the club simply because it suits your agenda.

This "crisis" has been self made. We kept churning out wins and results despite boring and tedious football, but as soon as the wins werent enough we started to complain. Fair enough, the match goers are by far more authorised to voice their complain than a lousy foreigner like me, but the results started going to hell when we, the fans, demanded attacking football. I'm absolute certain that most of you would take the boring wins right now, and most certainly would complain about that as well.

There is a Norwegian saying that is somewhat roughly translated to "Happiness in unhappiness" which I'm sure should be the Caf slogan these days.

Best comment ever. Confidence all started going to shit when media, some fans and ex players kept putting the pressure on. I knew it would feck our season. WAs so obvious. At the end of the day we needed to get results one way or another - never mind how boring - because were still trying to get back to where we were - this was the most important thing - not exciting football - we could have waited for that or binned LVG at the end of the season provided that we were still getting results. Instead we've created a mess in the middle of the season.

It serves us right what comes next. In the meantime, LVG needs to resign and leave the madhouse behind. I can't bear the circus anymore.

Agree with you guys.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Some of you lot could read something negative about this club on a small note, believe it 100% and slate every single person related to the club for it. The way people tend to attack everyone affiliated with the club, management or what not is ridiculous. People are attacking Sir Bobby Charlton, Ferguson, Ed, Glazers, the manager, the players, thinking everything is wrong with the club. We're fecking spoilt, and our "fans" are getting on the verge of ridiculous for the last few months. It seems as some of you are just looking for new ways and theories to complain and attack the club simply because it suits your agenda.

This "crisis" has been self made. We kept churning out wins and results despite boring and tedious football, but as soon as the wins werent enough we started to complain. Fair enough, the match goers are by far more authorised to voice their complain than a lousy foreigner like me, but the results started going to hell when we, the fans, demanded attacking football. I'm absolute certain that most of you would take the boring wins right now, and most certainly would complain about that as well.

There is a Norwegian saying that is somewhat roughly translated to "Happiness in unhappiness" which I'm sure should be the Caf slogan these days.

We weren't winning. When I first commented on the state of things we had 3 wins from 10 matches in all competitions. We were drawing games and many could see that it wasn't by solid defending but because of DDG's superhuman efforts to keep the opposition out. Some of us realised that that could not go on for very long before those draws started turning into losses.
This is when most people started complaining. If we were winning there wouldn't be half as many complaints as there were.

The thing is that some of us could see the wheels coming off long before we lost a match. Again it was not just that the football was sending us to sleep it was that we were dropping out of competitions. Most would take 1:0 wins even if we only won 3 out of 5 matches but the lack of goals and the way that DDG was keeping us in the games showed the problems that were building up.

 

[Nighteyes]

A bit of patience is required and called for. Sacking a manager two days before a game was never going to happen. It's also entirely possible we're not convinced by Mourinho. I think he's a great manager (Probably the best available including Guardiola) but no one say that he hasn't gone full retard this season to the point his focus can be called into question.

Hopefully we can beat Chelsea and buy some more time to find a new manager and/or there's a magical turn around in our form/

 

[Ixion]

The fans chanting attack did not cause our problems. The most damaging result this season was the 0-0 with PSV and that was entirely down to trying to play posession football and not driving forward to attack.

 

[NK86]

Best comment ever. Confidence all started going to shit when media, some fans and ex players kept putting the pressure on. I knew it would feck our season. WAs so obvious. At the end of the day we needed to get results one way or another - never mind how boring - because were still trying to get back to where we were - this was the most important thing - not exciting football - we could have waited for that or binned LVG at the end of the season provided that we were still getting results. Instead we've created a mess in the middle of the season.

It serves us right what comes next. In the meantime, LVG needs to resign and leave the madhouse behind. I can't bear the circus anymore.

So basically we are shite because the fans shouted 'attack, attack, attack' and the media were getting on our case because we were playing dull football.

 

[Revan]

Really? I seem to remember that we started to chant "attack, attack, attack" and putting pressure on our players while we were at the top of the league and kept winning. According to the fans and media, we were in a "crisis" despite being two points off the top..

I'm just saying that we're part of this crisis ourselves, despite the posters on this forum trying to put the blame on absolutely everyone else. Manchester United is suffering due to their spoilt fans, and by trying to blame everyone we're not doing what we can do help the team.

The only time the fans will be happy is if we fire the manager and try again with someone else rather than get behind the team and try to inspire the players. I'm just a terrible fan, sitting in Norway whilst complaning about everyone else like the rest of you, but the team needs support more than us supporters need to blame everyone and making our discontent heard everywhere we go.

Attack, attack chants started when it was looking that we were going to finish the third game in a row at Old Trafford without scoring a goal. By that time, the results have already started to be shit, and the fact that we were good in a table was just a fluke. Luck can only get you so far, it won't win you the league.

 

[sammsky1]

Some of you lot could read something negative about this club on a small note, believe it 100% and slate every single person related to the club for it. The way people tend to attack everyone affiliated with the club, management or what not is ridiculous. People are attacking Sir Bobby Charlton, Ferguson, Ed, Glazers, the manager, the players, thinking everything is wrong with the club. We're fecking spoilt, and our "fans" are getting on the verge of ridiculous for the last few months. It seems as some of you are just looking for new ways and theories to complain and attack the club simply because it suits your agenda.

This "crisis" has been self made. We kept churning out wins and results despite boring and tedious football, but as soon as the wins werent enough we started to complain. Fair enough, the match goers are by far more authorised to voice their complain than a lousy foreigner like me, but the results started going to hell when we, the fans, demanded attacking football. I'm absolute certain that most of you would take the boring wins right now, and most certainly would complain about that as well.b

There is a Norwegian saying that is somewhat roughly translated to "Happiness in unhappiness" which I'm sure should be the Caf slogan these days.

100% agree that fans are to blame for the level toxicity - Unsatisfied fans gave the press an angle to create division.

 

[Cooksen]

The fans chanting attack did not cause our problems. The most damaging result this season was the 0-0 with PSV and that was entirely down to trying to play posession football and not driving forward to attack.

I would say both of those PSV games were killers in the overall context of the season.

Shaw getting injured in the first one and the start of the philosophy in the next.

 

[Burrow]

As I really hate doing multiquotes and all that, I'm just going to ask all of you two questions:

Did the team, and the entire club, benefit from the level of toxic brought by the fans to our games?
Do you think you contribute to the solution or the problem we're currently in by attacking the club, rather than support it?

 

[Spoony]

So basically we are shite because the fans shouted 'attack, attack, attack' and the media were getting on our case because we were playing dull football.

Fans' fault! Rooney's fault! Giggs' fault! Players' fault! Media's fault!

But is it Van Gaal fault? Nah...

 

[Jazz]

So basically we are shite because the fans shouted 'attack, attack, attack' and the media were getting on our case because we were playing dull football.

Laugh all you want. The build up of the fans falling for the media narrative and what our ex players were doing - which was not only criticism - but an agenda based one to attack the manager at all costs started this freefall. Nobody says Lvg didn't cause his own problems - the issue is the way our ex players especially went about doing things. They could have had their say behind closed doors instead of joining in the hysteria and influencing the fans. Playing in that atmosphere is not good - I kept saying this. The more criticism, the more the confidence left them because we don't have tough bastards like Keane to pull the team through this - they are way too soft. Rooney only cares about himself, Giggs wants the job, so who is there to help the players?
Fans are influenced by the media and people they respect no matter if no one wants to admit it - they never booed a poor Moyes because Fergie said to stand by the manager, the ex players never attacked him the way they did LVG because he was Fergie's choice. And the fans went along with it for the most part. So yes, we are a part of any downfall.

 

[Jazz]

Fans' fault! Rooney's fault! Giggs' fault! Players' fault! Media's fault!

But is it Van Gaal fault? Nah...

Nobody has said VG is not at fault - stop taking things out of context. The point is everyone has played their part including fans.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Best comment ever. Confidence all started going to shit when media, some fans and ex players kept putting the pressure on. I knew it would feck our season. WAs so obvious. At the end of the day we needed to get results one way or another - never mind how boring - because were still trying to get back to where we were - this was the most important thing - not exciting football - we could have waited for that or binned LVG at the end of the season provided that we were still getting results. Instead we've created a mess in the middle of the season.

It serves us right what comes next. In the meantime, LVG needs to resign and leave the madhouse behind. I can't bear the circus anymore.

Churning out what wins? We won 1 game out of 6 in October, yes November was a better month with 3 wins out of 5 but December we have not won a single game out of 5 that's 1 good month out of 3.
How anybody can call 4 wins out of 16 churning out wins is beyond me.

 

[Nighteyes]

Laugh all you want. The build up of the fans falling for the media narrative and what our ex players were doing - which was not only criticism - but an agenda based one to attack the manager at all costs started this freefall. Nobody says Lvg didn't cause his own problems - the issue is the way our ex players especially went about doing things. They could have had their say behind closed doors instead of joining in the hysteria and influencing the fans. Playing in that atmosphere is not good - I kept saying this. The more criticism, the more the confidence left them because we don't have tough bastards like Keane to pull the team through this - they are way too soft. Rooney only cares about himself, Giggs wants the job, so who is there to help the players?
Fans are influenced by the media and people they respect no matter if no one wants to admit it - they never booed a poor Moyes because Fergie said to stand by the manager, the ex players never attacked him the way they did LVG because he was Fergie's choice. And the fans went along with it for the most part. So yes, we are a part of any downfall.

Yes mate. The fans and our ex-players were agenda driven when they called us out on playing soul destroying tumescent crap. If anyone's agenda driven it appears to be you.