LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!

[Catt]

Can't see the club/Woodward briefing that to the press. The manager wants to quit and the team is a lost cause but you're holding on for dear life. Why would he do that?
If anyone is talking it's Lvg himself.

 

[redindian1987]

Yup... Let's just stick with LVG despite all the evidence that points otherwise. Thats rational too isn't it? /S.

Yes, a call for common sense is immediately a call for van Gaal to stay beyond the Chelsea game.

 

[K2K]

Think even a month ago we wouldn't have landed Carlo as he was well on his way to Bayern. Can't believe our club has come to this.

At least we'll make a great case study for how not to do 'a succession plan for a long term manager/leader'

Twice in our history we've gone through this, twice we've fecked it up. Just amazing

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Might be just me, but I don't think sacking a manager a day before a game is ballsy, it would be reckless. Let's just throw our preparation into disarray for the sole reason of gaining approval from fans on the internet. That's completely rational behaviour.

This is only true if LVG still has it in him to turn things around. I saw very little evidence of that on Saturday. We look despondent and done for - both the players and the man in charge.

In those circumstances your hand is pretty much forced. Regardless of what the long-term plan is, you have to scrap it while the season is still salvageable. Unless you're willing to sacrifice the season, that is. But what prospect could justify this? Having Giggs take over after LVG has completed whatever job he is expected to do? To most United fans this looks like an almost insane scheme: Lose the players, drop down the table, but stick with him regardless because in addition to doing a (terrible) job as manager, he has other behind-the-scenes functions to perform?

 

[Kostur]

Here's the thing: none of us have any idea of what the board is thinking. They might be privy to something we're not which makes them think we ought to stand by the manager. Maybe they will sack the manager, maybe they haven't done so because they don't want Mourinho, which isn't that crazy. To assume that the manager is so without self-respect that he would hang onto his job despite losing the trust of his staff and the players; to think that Woody is such a psycopath that he would risk is losing value is ridiculous.

Well given that we indeed are in a freefall since Ferguson's departure it's really hard to understand what our board is thinking. We've finished 7th under Moyes, spent 200 mln pounds and when we get beaten today we might end 2015 in 7th again. Sure, it's just half of the season but it's easily visible that we're on the skids for some time now. It was somewhat understandable and acceptable to the most (including me) to watch this dull and boring football as long as the results were defending LVG's philowhatever but now what we're witnessing is horrible to watch football that breeds nothing more than embarrassing performances and such infamous records as 4 defeats back to back that have been last witnessed in 60s.

You'd expect something much more this season, both performance on the pitch and points wise given amount of money LVG's had at his disposal. Instead what we're getting is thin squad that can't cope with injuries, lack of any clear gameplan and Rooney holding everybody by their balls. For that reason it's pretty hard to trust our board as they really seem to be clueless, especially when you look at the Bayern's board and how they handle replacing managers with their worthy equivalents.

At this rate, pretty much, we're finishing out of top 4.

 

[cyberman]

I was thinking what would the board do if Guardiola said he would join us in the summer.
Do we sack LVG now and get an interim manager in (God no) or give LVG funds in January to paper over some cracks and ride out the storm?

 

[Fully Fledged]

.....nope. Read that twice now and I still don't see where he says he doesn't know how to solve the crisis.

James Ducker: I'm a shite journalist.

When asked if there was anything left he could do to raise spirts he said No.

 

[Sunny Jim]

I was thinking what would the board do if Guardiola said he would join us in the summer.
Do we sack LVG now and get an interim manager in (God no) or give LVG funds in January to paper over some cracks and ride out the storm?

This is a good comment, i think that Guardiola is the reasons of Van Gaal keeping his job. IMO Woodie wants to buy some time to sound/ secure Guardiola. In this scenraio sacking Van gaal has zero sense.

 

[marukomu]

So if it all clicked today and we were fantastic, would you change your mind?

 

[royboy16]

My take is that the board doesn't want Giggs and are unsure about Mourinho or they don't want Giggs and already have Guardiola. But they don't want Giggs and therefore have no caretakers in mind.

Could certainly be the case.
They might be content with LVG, seeing as he got us a 4th place finish last season.

 

[K2K]

I was thinking what would the board do if Guardiola said he would join us in the summer.
Do we sack LVG now and get an interim manager in (God no) or give LVG funds in January to paper over some cracks and ride out the storm?

Seeing as we've already briefed the press that we arent interested in Guardiola, its pretty obvious he's not coming here.(we gave a similar brief when the Ramos thing looked dead in the water too)

As for a choice between a choice between an interim or van gaal, we are better off with the former. You can see that Van Gaal has lost that dressing room. The first half of that Stoke match told as much.

 

[marukomu]

Could certainly be the case.
They might be contempt with LVG, seeing as he got us a 4th place finish last season.

or content

 

[K2K]

This is a good comment, i think that Guardiola is the reasons of Van Gaal keeping his job. IMO Woodie wants to buy some time to sound/ secure Guardiola. In this scenraio sacking Van gaal has zero sense.

As history tells us with Woodward, he'll chase an unobtainable target in Guardiola while reasonable ones slip away.

From Rummingge comments , it appears very much that Pep has already decided where he's going.

It'll be fun watching us chasing him around, briefing the press along the way, then 'deciding to end interest' a week before he joins City and we appoint Giggs who fits the ethos of the club.

 

[royboy16]

or content

Sorry content I meant

 

[marukomu]

Sorry content I meant

freudian slip. no problem.

 

[JPRouve]

Well given that we indeed are in a freefall since Ferguson's departure it's really hard to understand what our board is thinking. We've finished 7th under Moyes, spent 200 mln pounds and when we get beaten today we might end 2015 in 7th again. Sure, it's just half of the season but it's easily visible that we're on the skids for some time now. It was somewhat understandable and acceptable to the most (including me) to watch this dull and boring football as long as the results were defending LVG's philowhatever but now what we're witnessing is horrible to watch football that breeds nothing more than embarrassing performances and such infamous records as 4 defeats back to back that have been last witnessed in 60s.

You'd expect something much more this season, both performance on the pitch and points wise given amount of money LVG's had at his disposal. Instead what we're getting is thin squad that can't cope with injuries, lack of any clear gameplan and Rooney holding everybody by their balls. For that reason it's pretty hard to trust our board as they really seem to be clueless, especially when you look at the Bayern's board and how they handle replacing managers with their worthy equivalents.

At this rate, pretty much, we're finishing out of top 4.

If you calm down, you will see exactly what the board is and was thinking, they are not hiding it. They had Ferguson and his men in total control of the footballing part of the club, so they tried to emulate that, the first choice was a man chosen by SAF and SBC, the board put his trust in these legends and it backfired. After that they tried to chose someone with a higher profile, with more experience at the top level and they chose LVG which wasn't a bad idea.

What they didn't realize is that you don't replace SAF with one man but with several. I'm going to use an other huge club as an example, the Stade Toulousain, it's a rugby club that has been coached by Guy Noves for +20 years, he was manager not head coach, which is an anomaly in rugby, he won 10 league titles and 4 European cups. When they replaced him the first thing they did was to appoint a sporting director because they knew that it was the most important part of Noves' job and after that they appointed a head coach, they chose Ugo Mola who isn't even a big profile.

Now you can ask why they didn't changed the structure of the footballing part, and I will suppose that it's because the DOF has a bad image in England, which means that they have to look outside of the United box and like Mitten wrote a couple of years ago, United lives in its bubble and therefore we have a poor network. Today the solution would be to call Raiola or Mendes and ask them to help find a DOF and a Head coach but the club is probably too proud for that.

 

[Riz]

This is a good comment, i think that Guardiola is the reasons of Van Gaal keeping his job. IMO Woodie wants to buy some time to sound/ secure Guardiola. In this scenraio sacking Van gaal has zero sense.

No I think it still makes sense for him to go, I don't think he can turn it around or drag us out of this slump. So we're better with an interim to salvage any chance of finishing in the top 4.

 

[cyberman]

Seeing as we've already briefed the press that we arent interested in Guardiola, its pretty obvious he's not coming here.(we gave a similar brief when the Ramos thing looked dead in the water too)

As for a choice between a choice between an interim or van gaal, we are better off with the former. You can see that Van Gaal has lost that dressing room. The first half of that Stoke match told as much.

Yes but that was leaked just before this terrible run, United probably had visions and were 100% commited to LVG improving us bit by bit until his contract is up so Guardiola becoming available had a sense of bad timing.
Now all that has changed

 

[RedMilo]

So if it all clicked today and we were fantastic, would you change your mind?

In short no, I haven't been impressed by the dour shite that has been served up under LVG, the fact that the defeats have started to come have emphasised the need for change. Long overdue in my opinion.

 

[LeftyBlaster]

As history tells us with Woodward, he'll chase an unobtainable target in Guardiola while reasonable ones slip away.

From Rummingge comments , it appears very much that Pep has already decided where he's going.

It'll be fun watching us chasing him around, briefing the press along the way, then 'deciding to end interest' a week before he joins City and we appoint Giggs who fits the ethos of the club.

It's been his approach in the transfer scene too. Name drop all the big players and fail to get any. He should be removed if we fail to get a proper replacement.

 

[Satissh12]

May be we are just waiting for him to quit and say we offered support but he chose to go.. save some money while we are at it..

 

[Fully Fledged]

So if it all clicked today and we were fantastic, would you change your mind?

It would need more than one result. If he could win 3 of the next 5 then I'd be happier.

 

[Sunny Jim]

As history tells us with Woodward, he'll chase an unobtainable target in Guardiola while reasonable ones slip away.

From Rummingge comments , it appears very much that Pep has already decided where he's going.

It'll be fun watching us chasing him around, briefing the press along the way, then 'deciding to end interest' a week before he joins City and we appoint Giggs who fits the ethos of the club.

to make it clear. i dont see us getting Guardila mate.

 

[K2K]

Yes but that was leaked just before this terrible run, United probably had visions and were 100% commited to LVG improving us bit by bit until his contract is up so Guardiola becoming available had a sense of bad timing.
Now all that has changed

I agree that we probably be interested in him now.

But my main point is that Guardiola has probably decided his next destination already. He's such a meticulous planner that you'd expect that. Also all the noises point to that being true.

In essence, it appears its a little too late

 

[NK86]

So if it all clicked today and we were fantastic, would you change your mind?

No. As I said earlier before the Stoke game, 1-2 games are not going to swing my opinion either way. The manager has steadily got us to this position by being thick and stubborn. So for me to change my opinion would require him to get us back to playing good football with good results up until at least the end of the season. However, I think it would cause us more harm as I don't see him being able to turn us around until we get someone like Neymar/Messi/Ronaldo who will help us win with individual brilliance despite us playing crap because of LVG's tactics.

 

[Eckers99]

Click on the number.

He's saying that in a 'end of the film se7en, open the box' kind of way.

 

[Drifter]

So the BBC as quoted him saying that the players are tired and he's finding it hard to motivate them.Does not bode well.

 

[K2K]

It's been his approach in the transfer scene too. Name drop all the big players and fail to get any. He should be removed if we fail to get a proper replacement.

From football duties,I agree.

People forget that Woodward has no football experience and is basically learning on the job. So the argument that he is a football man that should be trusted is a weak one.

Unfortunately he's been thrown in the deep end, and is struggling to swim.

 

[GaryLifo]

If we appoint Giggs then we're fecked. Just my opinion obviously, but I just can't see him doing any better than LVG.

I've also been of the view that LVG was not the man since I saw us lose to WBA at the end of last season. The way we limped into 4th place was not the sign of a side who were on their way up.

 

[ZDwyr]

So the BBC as quoted him saying that the players are tired and he's finding it hard to motivate them.Does not bode well.

Damn. If only we could have had a bigger squad which would have allowed us to rotate players!

 

[K2K]

to make it clear. i dont see us getting Guardila mate.

Me too...i just hate the possibility of us being strung along by football agents and managers .

Id rather we were proactive than reactive. Thats what Bayern did when they realised Pep wasnt going to sign.

 

[JPRouve]

Damn. If only we could have had a bigger squad which would have allowed us to rotate players!

I think that he meant mentally tired.

 

[ZDwyr]

I think that he meant mentally tired.

Possibly. Even so, rotating the squad and getting some of them out of the XI and the immediate spotlight might have helped refresh them mentally anyway.

 

[NK86]

Whoever keeps briefing the press with this stuff needs kicking in the cnut.

This is the worst part in this. The constant briefing. Come out and give an official statement if you want but why keep briefing the press about it. Makes no sense.

 

[JPRouve]

Possibly. Even so, rotating the squad and getting some of them out of the XI and the immediate spotlight might have helped refresh them mentally anyway.

No, they are fed up of the context, only a change of manager will refresh them or a long stretch of wins(close to ten).

 

[Loon]

I just can't see Guardiola stringing us along. I bet if Ferguson asked if he's going to City he would get a straight answer.

Then we can go from there.

 

[ZDwyr]

No, they are fed up of the context, only a change of manager will refresh them or a long stretch of wins(close to ten).

Yeah it has gotten to the point now where drastic action is required. A few weeks ago though, with some players under pressure, a bigger squad and some rotation might have stopped the downward spiral from happening - to the extent that it has.

 

[JPRouve]

Yeah it has gotten to the point now where drastic action is required. A few weeks ago though, with some players under pressure, a bigger squad and some rotation might have stopped the downward spiral from happening - to the extent that it has.

I would say that having someone better than Rooney upfront or as a #10 would have changed everything, it's not a dig at Rooney but we have a young attack and they really need a better veteran.

 

[itso 7]

If we appoint Giggs then we're fecked. Just my opinion obviously, but I just can't see him doing any better than LVG.

I've also been of the view that LVG was not the man since I saw us lose to WBA at the end of last season. The way we limped into 4th place was not the sign of a side who were on their way up.

True since that 4-2 over City, second was a real possibility but we bombed that we eventually finished fourth, when we had spent the majority of the post Christmas period in third reflects a mini implosion.

 

[Stretford End Phil]

Even a simple calculation of games, squad size and possible injury level should have taught LVG by now the need for extra players at the start of the EPL season. Those players released or sold would have at least provided options. Now it's all barebones and tired bodies - so predictable.