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This is the only reasonable answer to this.
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I really hope you're wrong, to employ the assistant manager from two abject management setups would be insane, Insantity made worse by the fact that 90 % of fans don't want him so it'd be doomed to failure from the start.
You just wouldn't put it past United though.
Also what you're saying is keep LvG so he misses out on top 4? so squeaky clean Ryan can have a clean slate as he clearly has no impact as the second in command now.
I really hope you're wrong, to employ the assistant manager from two abject management setups would be insane, Insantity made worse by the fact that 90 % of fans don't want him so it'd be doomed to failure from the start.
You just wouldn't put it past United though.
Also what you're saying is keep LvG so he misses out on top 4? so squeaky clean Ryan can have a clean slate as he clearly has no impact as the second in command now.
It is a mess, because when van Gaal goes and Giggs gets the job, all the backroom staff will go too. Giggs will, essentially, be on his own, presumably assisted by Nicky Butt, Warren Joyce, and who, Tony Strudwick? The obvious people to get in (eg. Gary and Phil) are busy.
For all our despair at van Gaal are the players going to be properly prepared for the 6 games we have in the next 4 weeks? I'd almost suggest we have a better chance of getting points with van Gaal staying at the moment.
We're a fecking shambles. We're going the way of Liverpool. Seriously, if we don't act now then it could be years before we get anywhere near winning anything again.
no point going over spilt milk at this point. The board can make things right. Lets see what they will do this week.
No. Putting more shite in the media again. Why keep feeding the media crap that everyone knows is utter nonsense?
I'm a bit tensed but FFS there is no name outside of Mourinho, Redknapp, Moyes and Giggs. And there is a reason if they are not jumping on the Giggs train. It's easy for us to say that Mourinho is an obvious appointment but in reality it's not because Guardiola might be in the bag or they are really wary of Mourinho's current state of mind and past behaviour. For them it's not a game or a hobby, they have to make a decision that will cost several dozens of millions, they can't rush that.
It wouldn't be a very good plan anyway but nothing about the club suggests that there's any sort of planning at all. Just desperately changing ideas based on a blind panic to make sure we come 4th. It's only 3 weeks ago that Van Gaal was a genius and we wanted to extend his contract.
Why the feck does Woodward have such a hard on for Van Gaal? Because he won the champions league once 20 years ago? He's done very little for us, failing in almost every single objective despite spending so much, and also makes us play the most boring football in the league. Really don't understand why the board is so against sacking him
Because the club will be up in the air. if the board had their man ready they would have already parted company
This is just like when Moyes supposedly offered to resign after the Liverpool defeat, and Woodward urged him to continue.
That's all well and good, but there's no telling how far we're going to fall under Van Gaal. It's spiralling out of control under him. And what exactly is the logic behind that now? What is Giggs learning from him? Certainly not a lesson in how to manage Manchester United. Maybe if he does the exact opposite to everything Van Gaal is doing, he'll be more or less on the right lines I suppose.
The plan was always for Giggs to take over though, he should be groomed under van Gaal, doesnt look great now but i thought that was always the plan and everything points to that direction, even if we dont like it.
we really don't know what the board has decided. They have not come out one way or another to say anything. That in itself says something is up. I think we will know one or another this week.
If thats the case then we might as well just accept now that we are no longer an elite club, with the same ambitions as the other elite clubs around Europe. We're clearly happy too accept mediocrity, as long as the money keeps rolling in. And our fall from grace will mirror Liverpool's over the past 25 years almost perfectly, as we seem intent on making the exact same mistakes that they did.
The people that run this club really are clueless. Absolutely clueless.
I guess it is because he's 'his' man. If he fails then it is basically Woodward confirming to the Glazers that he failed also in selecting him.
I am sure Mourinho would come. We wouldn't be up in the air.
Yep. The arrogance of the board is staggering. They just assumed that success would continue post-Ferguson. Appointing Moyes, who had won nothing, was stupid. If they are going to appoint Giggs then it is just more stupidity. Rewarding mediocrity and thinking it will be all good because we're Manchester United. Meanwhile every other team in the league is getting more money and getting stronger.
Plans to replicate Liverpool's road to disaster. A few more mistakes like these and even we can fall from grace.
And Fergie and co kept saying everything is in place to avoid just that. The caf were laffin at delusional abu's when they trotted their "once fergie leaves..." crap out... Never thought they might be correct.
I fear that's becoming the case. "liverpoolisation" has truly begun if that's the case.
plans to replace van gaal should have been at least well under way after the norwich defeat and that doesn't take a captain hindsight to figure out.
I really hope all of this is just Woodward leading the press on a merry dance to make it look like we are the good guys when he eventually fecks off. I just want him gone now, he clearly has had enough just like everyone else.
This will get ugly real soon.
This will get ugly real soon.
The rumour mill is just in overdrive. The silence from the board has caused this. The reason there is so much flying about if because this should have ended a while ago. He should be long, long gone. The fact he is still in a job is a disgrace.
We're begging him to stay? 
We really must be hell bent on Giggs, what a sad situation..
What I don't understand is why not just give it Giggs now if Mourinho isn't an option for the board? It can't get worse than 4 losses in a row so let him sink or swim now if you're that desperate for him to be the manager.
We really must be hell bent on Giggs, what a sad situation..
What I don't understand is why not just give it Giggs now if Mourinho isn't an option for the board? It can't get worse than 4 losses in a row so let him sink or swim now if you're that desperate for him to be the manager.
We are persuading LVG to not resign after the horrible run of results we've had?
Is that a joke?
I cannot believe the way the club has been run since Fergie left. The standards have lowered significantly.
Is that a joke?
I cannot believe the way the club has been run since Fergie left. The standards have lowered significantly.
To add to what I said about the board and Giggs:
I think the idea probably materialised from the owners/board being particularly unimpressed/embarrassed about the handling of Ferguson's exit and successor appointment. There has been lots of criticism about us not having a plan in place.
Giggs is that plan now, I think they hope that if he is a good manager he'd likely stick around for 10+ years whereas other managers you can hope for 3 or 4 at best. We do seem to value continuity.
I think the idea probably materialised from the owners/board being particularly unimpressed/embarrassed about the handling of Ferguson's exit and successor appointment. There has been lots of criticism about us not having a plan in place.
Giggs is that plan now, I think they hope that if he is a good manager he'd likely stick around for 10+ years whereas other managers you can hope for 3 or 4 at best. We do seem to value continuity.
Interesting times ahead to say the least, the board appears to be significantly out of touch.
If van Gaal is still here after Monday I will be genuinely concerned in the direction that the club is headed in.
If van Gaal is still here after Monday I will be genuinely concerned in the direction that the club is headed in.
thats assuming the club want him here
If we lose tomorrow and nothing is done, we really need to protest at Old Trafford.
We could do with that plane we was promised.
The direction the club is heading into is years of trophy droughts.
I am amazed the club is trying to persuade him to stay after the run of results we've had. That's just shocking.
He makes it sound like we are in the relegation battle.
Although I'm much more supportive of the idea of Giggs than most, I do now agree with much of what people said. If he took over, we would suffer in the short term. I wouldn't see even a top 4 finish this season. Whereas, if Mouriniho came in, he would sort things much quicker and quite possibly deliver a League title in a 2-3 year spell.
We need to avoid going the way Liverpool did. That means getting back in the short term.
We need to avoid going the way Liverpool did. That means getting back in the short term.
This latest stuff isn't from the rumour mill. It's come straight from Woodward. All the papers are carrying it and saying the same thing. It's absolutely ridiculous and he needs taken away from footballing matters asap.
True, and you could argue that it is looking likely that they don't. If that is the case though then we can add that to their list of growing mistakes.
They'd just laugh at loads of 'MAURINHO IN' banners though, surely?
Maybe its up to the OT faithful tommorow to force the club to act.
A whole stadium of boos at LVG should send a message
A whole stadium of boos at LVG should send a message
If that is the case, didn't they learn that "continuity" is not the be all and end all? didn't they learn that they can't rely on blind faith any more? especially after the moyes debacle???
good god this is frustrating.
Which is hilarious because betting on Giggs to be a success is far from a solid "plan" - it is blind faith and hope.
Give it a couple of weeks..
Have to agree. Agree with the Giggs plan stuff above as well. Woodward doesn't want to give it to Giggs mid season so is hoping to stick with Louis for as long as possible. Shambles.
So our best hope is for LVG to resign and force Woodward into doing something about this mess rather than the other way round. And Woodward's seemingly briefed the press with this. Unbelievable stuff.
Hope LVG can sign off with a win and then do the right thing for him and the club.
Hope LVG can sign off with a win and then do the right thing for him and the club.
We can't stick with Van Gaal though. It's just not an option. Surely this isn't how to run a business/football club.
People might not like this, but if you are correct and we are lining Giggs up, we might as well give him the job now. Seriously, what will we achieve by keeping him under LVG now?
I'll be there but no way would I do this. He doesn't deserve it, he's only trying to manage our club. It's on the board now.
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