With Spurs and Liverpool winning we need to get something on Monday, sacking him now might lift the players spirits.
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Accountable to whom? The board is made of Glazers and Glazers' men, they are not going to sack themselves because they do what they want with their company.
And there isn't even a reason to attack the board, outside of the lack of organization on the footballing part of things but from what I have seen on this board most british fans think that only the CEO and the manager should take care of that part, so.
Also a large part don't want Giggs and don't want Mourinho, the board(Joel Glazer and Woodward) probably have the sam reluctances which could explain why they are not enthuasistic at the idea of sacking LVG.
Having him sitting in the stands watching on would be a hoot though.
Oh it would be hilarious.
I know what you mean but we must have a special bunch of players.
If the board dithers this much on such an obviously clear decision then no wonder we are a bit shit when it comes to completing transfers. LvG is probably shocked he is still in a job.
You want them to be accountable but you propose the exact same blisteringly idiotic idea. This club needs an entire new organization, one man will solve nothing and putting everything on one man's hands will see us have the same conversation when he leaves, because he will leave.
Have wanted him out for a while now. It was pretty clear, both from watching us play and looking at our stats, that we were running well above expectation points wise early in the season. Now we're no longer scoring from every chance we get and have started to leak a few goals and it's all come crashing down on him.
Have to say though, I have no idea who I'd want to replace him. Pep and Mou are the obvious choices, but Pep looks City bound and I can't stand Mou and don't want him anywhere near the club. Giggs would be a ridiculous, sentimental choice (although I wouldn't mind him as caretaker for a few games or even the rest of the season if it means we get Pep).
Have to say though, I have no idea who I'd want to replace him. Pep and Mou are the obvious choices, but Pep looks City bound and I can't stand Mou and don't want him anywhere near the club. Giggs would be a ridiculous, sentimental choice (although I wouldn't mind him as caretaker for a few games or even the rest of the season if it means we get Pep).
Trust you based on what... By 8PM tonight I'd be very surprised if he wasn't still Man United manager.
Gut feeling
Think today's defeat will just be too much
I think when people say "the board" they're referring to the board of the football club, not the board of the PLC.
Paddy: ''We have to beat Chelsea now.''
I think it's safe to assume José wants and has wanted the United job for a while. Serious question, how do Chelsea fans feel about that? Their best ever manager and the man they still chant for, wanting to manage United?
in possession, he meantPaddy: ''We have to beat Chelsea now.''
No chance. Hes not getting sacked on Boxing Day. Or tomorrow i reckon. He'll be in charge for chelsea.
Not sure what they're waiting for at this point. I'd expect before I can to bed tonight it'll be done, maybe that's just wishful thinking.
I just don't see things improving even a little bit.
I just don't see things improving even a little bit.
It's even worse because only Joel Glazer and Woodward have a power, Gill, SAF and SBC are consultant and aren't at the club on a daily basis.
I've said it before but who in our team actually benefits from how we play? I can't see that our approach suits anyone bar fellaini who bafflingly is given license to do what he wants.
Sometimes that results in him getting some good chances/goals but does the result justify the means? Far too often not imo.
the players have been poor but honestly when you look at them who is being allowed to play to their strengths? It's particularly stupid when you think about how much complimentary players their are.
Why is carrick continually left to fend for himself in the middle and fellaini drift around? Carricks passing could get someone like martial the ball in great areas. Contrast to how we used scholes. Yes it wasn't ideal but you sacrificed drive in the middle to get him space to spread it.
Why do we get Depay and lingaard or martial when he plays there to stay out wide and cross it in? None of them cross consistently well and all of them are much more like wide forwards than wingers. Why not have them run in from the flanks when you have mata/Herrera/carrick who could play them in.
Martial aside the others don't seem like they can take on others so why isolate them out wide. Likewise none of our fullbacks cross well yet so much if our attack is focussed on that.
This doesn't excuse the players as a whole, bar the odd one too many have undeperformed. But I don't think we can write them off when what they're being asked to do doesn't seem to suit them at all. Maybe that means we have too many one dimensional players but there also seems to be a complete lack of function in the team.
I've seen a lot of criticism for the likes of mata, carrick etc for not making incisive passes but I always say who are they meant to be playing in? I don't see them missing loads of runs. Then you question why aren't there many runs? to me it's got to be tactical and it just highlights to me that LVG is too focussed on his ideology rather than the strengths and weaknesses of his players.
When you're coaching young players that's fine because you want to teach them. When you do that in a professional league when there are real things at stake and you're soending big money, with people paying to watch you then you need to be able to adapt to get results. LVG just doesn't seem able or willing to do this.
Sometimes that results in him getting some good chances/goals but does the result justify the means? Far too often not imo.
the players have been poor but honestly when you look at them who is being allowed to play to their strengths? It's particularly stupid when you think about how much complimentary players their are.
Why is carrick continually left to fend for himself in the middle and fellaini drift around? Carricks passing could get someone like martial the ball in great areas. Contrast to how we used scholes. Yes it wasn't ideal but you sacrificed drive in the middle to get him space to spread it.
Why do we get Depay and lingaard or martial when he plays there to stay out wide and cross it in? None of them cross consistently well and all of them are much more like wide forwards than wingers. Why not have them run in from the flanks when you have mata/Herrera/carrick who could play them in.
Martial aside the others don't seem like they can take on others so why isolate them out wide. Likewise none of our fullbacks cross well yet so much if our attack is focussed on that.
This doesn't excuse the players as a whole, bar the odd one too many have undeperformed. But I don't think we can write them off when what they're being asked to do doesn't seem to suit them at all. Maybe that means we have too many one dimensional players but there also seems to be a complete lack of function in the team.
I've seen a lot of criticism for the likes of mata, carrick etc for not making incisive passes but I always say who are they meant to be playing in? I don't see them missing loads of runs. Then you question why aren't there many runs? to me it's got to be tactical and it just highlights to me that LVG is too focussed on his ideology rather than the strengths and weaknesses of his players.
When you're coaching young players that's fine because you want to teach them. When you do that in a professional league when there are real things at stake and you're soending big money, with people paying to watch you then you need to be able to adapt to get results. LVG just doesn't seem able or willing to do this.
I reckon Fergie gets a big say. I think Woodward and the Glazers would listen to him.
No. I want them to listen to someone who identifies the flaws and take his advice in how to proceed. Which is to appoint more people understanding of the game to run the club, on the footballing front. I'm not talking of a super human multitasking individual.
And he's on record as saying Giggs should get the job.
They played some of his post match interviews now. Probably a bit more of LvG broken English but he was harping on about a manager doesn't always need to get fired or sacked, he can also walk. But he won't talk to the press about it. He needs to talk to the players, management etc etc.
Bit of a weird snippet tbh.
Bit of a weird snippet tbh.
If the players did not dare to play in these circumstances then we can easily argue there is a serious issue going on.
I think so. Fergie and Bobby would go for Giggs and Woodward would want Mourinho.
He did. I can't see Fergie just sitting back and letting things play out without having his say. IMO, he's one of the reasons why LvG still has his job.
And I think that person should come in from elsewhere. A fresh look from an unbiased paid consultant could be the way to go. It's done that way in the world of business (and in such things as PFIs, but that's another story) and a business is what United is these days.
Run out of ideas? He's been using the same 1 all season, hoof it to Fellaini. When I seen LVG give Rooney the signal to warm up I thought finally get Fellaini off and start playing football, guess what Rooney came but feck all changed, same BS rammed down our throats
Until his contract is up and it's time to appoint Giggs. Van Gaal has said this is the plan. The imponderable, if you can call it that, is Van Gaal making a pig's ear of things.
If they promote a bloke who has been a part of two failures I don't know where to start
Rather Warren Joyce get the job than Ryan the snake
Rather Warren Joyce get the job than Ryan the snake
If we dont sack him, Someone should punch Woodward with a barbed wire on his penis.
Anyone see his press conference a little while ago basically saying he's going.
So we sack Fergie, because that's the initial point, that the people wispering in Woodward's ears should be accountable.
Absolutely this. The time of SAF and Wenger type longevity/dictator like managing of football clubs has passed. We need to be looking to Bayern/Dortmund for how to structure a well run football club. Get football men in to make footballing decisions and to ensure continuity between managers, because in today's game we'd be lucky to keep a manager for 5 years, even if he's doing well.
I mean, we have a marketing wizard handling transfer decisions, and from what I've read recently it seems we don't have full time youth scouts and we still don't have a replacement for McClair as head of the academy. The current structure of the club just isn't up to standard for today's game.
He could probably offer quite a bit on how to beat them though. Whether he would is another matter.
He's at Liverpool
Giggs should be as far away from the job as I am. Shambles if they go through with it, groomed by failures, no managerial experience, inheriting a team who have abandoned the current manager whilst being in free fall.
My bad then, but you did post "Need a manager in who can shape up the whole club", so I assumed.
What did the butcher say tonight ?
I dint understand what's taking the club so long. The majority of the fans want him gone and there are much better managers available to replace him.
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