That's four summers, he signed in 2012.
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That's four summers, he signed in 2012.
Can't count this past summer given they won the league last season.
(Roughly) Chelsea Starting XI in 2012-2013
Petr Čech
David Luiz
Branislav Ivanović
Gary Cahill
Ashley Cole
Frank Lampard
Ramires
Eden Hazard
Juan Mata
Oscar
Fernando Torres
Rough Chelsea Starting X! in 2014-2015
Courtois
Azpilicueta
Ivanovic
Cahill
Terry
Matic
Fabregas
Hazard
Willian
Oscar
Costa
So there's Willian and Matic too, with Courtois in goal. From 2012-13 (when Rafa was in charge) they also clearled out Torres, Mata, Cole, Lampard, Moses, Bertrand, Demba Ba, Benayoun, Marin, Sturridge etc. and brought in Felipe Luiz, Zuma, Drogba, Remy as well as other players that came and went like Salah, Schurrle and Cuadrado.
Obviously it's not a perfect example and there are lots of other factors etc... and I don't and never have expected us to win the league this year... but saying that £250 m is WAY off building a squad to win the league is an exaggeration I think.
I Agree with both of these points. For me personally LVG has made life harder for himself by going into the season with such minimal options and insisting on wanting a trim squad. Not replacing enough of the dead wood.
The question has to be asked, how was a smaller squad going to handle more fixtures when we already had the team struggling at times last season ?
That's fair, they had 3 summers before the title and 3 managers. Benitez transformed them into a good team in 2 months iirc.
Under ridiculous pressure too.
1) Even if we were to assume that you are right, LVG's spent 200m+ and we're scrabbling around to finish 4th with our form on its present trajectory.
2) He's sod-all use as a coach if he ever believed there was a need to replace twenty players.
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We need to forget about LVG being sacked mid-season. It won't happen. We need to keep trying to win games in the league to make the top 3 at the very least. We need to try and win the FA Cup and the Europa League. I want Pep Guardiola to replace LVG so I would be happy if it means keeping LVG for six months or 18 months depending on Pep's possible availability.
Who the hell are the 13 douchebags who voted that he's great?
In hindsight the pressure was probably a good thing, because he knew that he wasn't going to stay beyond the summer, so he gave his best from the get-go without thinking about the consequences.
I have voted for him seeing out his contract, purely on the basis that the current dip in our PL form is a just that; and we would therefore be close to, if not wining the league this season. But its still an assumption though.
You missed the summer before which was even more crucial. That's three summers to rebuild to a title winning side, with summer of 12 and 14 being the best ones. We're 2/3rd of our way through that period. Like I said I wouldn't be surprised for our progress from summer 14 (moyes gone) to post-summer 16 to be as good.
Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea fans, a Real fan and @Chesterlestreet who might be drunk, trolling or actually believe he's great. I honestly can't tell.
Oops, didn't realise it was an open vote. 
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@ChesterlestreetOnly chance of him going before the end of the season is the same way Moyes did, if it becomes mathematically impossible to get top 4.
You forgot Duffy, he hates asians and LVG looks like a Steppe polecat.
Spoony hates him and is wumming
Isn't he a Chelsea fan?
They were better in the league that season under Di Matteo. They just failed in the CL.
Nah, it's Duffer. I think?
This is interesting. I wonder if the choice was:
Get top 4 and keep LVG for another year, or
Miss out on top 4 and LVG gets the boot and we pick up say Carlo
which people would pick.
Spoony hates Van Gaal , so that's one less.
Like I said, it's not perfect - it's just to illustrate how much a League winning side costs.
He bought two key players in the last summer before the title, spending £59m ... would you say we're two key first team players and a 2 or 3 squad players away from winning the league?
That's a good point. I keep assuming we'll be able to get the right person in the summer. But there does seem to be a dearth of really good candidates. So it is conceivable I would wait until the following summer - but I would want an arrangement made in advance, for example with Guardiola, that he will come to us after one more year with Bayern. The fact Van Gaal's contract runs until then should make that possible without undermining him. But if that couldnt be done I would be loathe to wait around on the off chance Guardiola would pick us as I think there is a good chance he would pick City anyway, due to his connections there.
Would anyone take Mourinho if he became available in the summer?
But losing 3-2 to a mid table German team and drawing 0-0 with West Ham are great performances. How can you not understand that drawing and losing our matches is so much better than winning.
Wouldn't want either tbh..get 4th and fire LVG is the right answer for me
Boot him not and pick up Ancelloti. Simples.
Realistically I don't think that'd happen though unfortunately.
Pep's contract ends this year.
Bayern will not give him a one year extension, they'll want a proper commitment.
Ancelotti might get a better offer. What if Guardiola went to City and Ancelotti went to Bayern?
yes, we are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
But hopefully a better manager really forces the club's hand though.
I want him gone, but I'm not sure what the viable alternatives are at this stage so I'm somewhere between 1 and 2 on the poll.
People keep pointing to our league position but I take no comfort from the fact that the other top teams have been as shit or shitter, all I'm interested in is United and how we do. If the others hadn't been falling over each other to drop points I dread to think where we'd be.
As for last night being more entertaining, yea OK it was more entertaining but it wasn't much good in terms of quality and the bigger point is that we were where we were because of previous feck ups.
I don't see a single thing to be encouraged by. What's the upside to keeping him here next season?
People keep pointing to our league position but I take no comfort from the fact that the other top teams have been as shit or shitter, all I'm interested in is United and how we do. If the others hadn't been falling over each other to drop points I dread to think where we'd be.
As for last night being more entertaining, yea OK it was more entertaining but it wasn't much good in terms of quality and the bigger point is that we were where we were because of previous feck ups.
I don't see a single thing to be encouraged by. What's the upside to keeping him here next season?
We're in a title race right now. Two top attackers could well do the trick for us. We don't have to follow their exact trajectory either. Their best summers were the 1st and 3rd of that 3 year phase. Ours could be the last two. It doesn't matter. The point is that it does take time. They took 3 years. We might just take 4.
My view would be look over the rest of this month see where are over Christmas. Then decide if we give him or somebody else a war chest in January.
If with all the injuries we maintain top 4 then let him continue. If we fall too far off the pace act before the window opens.
If with all the injuries we maintain top 4 then let him continue. If we fall too far off the pace act before the window opens.
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