Basically the same picture as it is now, with the exception of not really winning anything at United the previous season.
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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Very true. When CSKA went ahead against PSV I actually thought we'd sneak through and it'd paper over some cracks. Maybe some of LvG's luck is running out though.
I think it is premature to do it now as he could still salvage this season. But that would require a change of fortunes sooner rather than later. On his current trajectory I think we should be replacing him this summer.
Thanks.
For one thing, if we got rid now, who would replace him? Giggs? No thanks, would trust Van Gaal to steer us to an unspectacular but steady end of the season, not sure Giggs would achieve the same.
Perhaps, but I wouldn't want to cling on history. We have to move on. We have hit rock bottom. It's time for the players and managerial staff to rise to the occasion and give something to the fans. Yes we have injuries and yes we have not met the expectations but this team is capable of producing good football. We need to find the way to 'click'. It's not rocket science LVG, get it done.
- Smalling:He was not already a top CB, otherwise we would not have considered to sell him to Arsenal. Smalling was too clumsy before Van Gaal, there was potential, but he was already on his way out. Van Gaal does deserve credit for giving him the confidence and it prevailed. Not to mention, his ball playing skills as a center back have gotten way better as well.
- I'll give you De Gea, but I credit him for handling the Madrid situation VERY well.
- Memphis: I can't really see you point. Memphis is coming from a Dutch League to play in a league that has twice nearly the intensity and quality. The transition is not going to be easy, but at least Van Gaal has got him playing hard as we have seen in the last two games compared to when he first got here where tracking back would have never crossed his mind. He may not look so great now but the potential he has is immense. Not to mention without Van Gaal, it is unlikely he would have come here in the first place.
- Martial goes to Van Gaal big time as well. Instead of going with a more mainstream transfer he went with a guy who most people have never heard of and it worked! The guy looks like magic out there and now we have one of our cornerstone players for the future.
- All of our players hustle out there. Even passive guys like Memphis and Mata who may not be great at winning back the ball will still work their tails off, but I see your point. Our team play is rather slow and that is something that should be worked on.
I agree but his stints at Barca and Bayern show that when things begin to unravel, he tends to lose the plot quickly.
I guess we'll have to keep an eye on it. If things are unravelling, i.e. we start losing more, and even our one goal every three games average starts to slip, then maybe we decide Giggs isnt such a risk. But for now I assume Van Gaal is still more competent than Giggs.
Get out.
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People still need to keep perspective that it is still a growing process as well.
LvG's luck ran out when we got close to 2000 injuries mate.
but it's not growing we are going sideways or backwards. 0-0 is not a result in the prem it's two dropped points. and i say the prem because we got ko'd from a dead easy group in cl. game over.
Kneejerk reaction thread this should be called.
I will say that if Guardiola becomes available this summer, we should definitely not let that opportunity get away. No matter how well VG has us playing.
I will say that if Guardiola becomes available this summer, we should definitely not let that opportunity get away. No matter how well VG has us playing.
If I were an established star striker I'd think that this United is not going to give me many chances to score.
To be fair to LvG, he's winning the only way he can. If he played more attacking football we'd be lower down the league and the games would not be much more enjoyable, just less boring. I don't think he's a bad manager or that this is his preferred style. But Pep or Klopp would attract better players I think.
The signs are there that he is gradually losing the dressing room and we all know how that ends up.
* Rooney & Carrick telling him they want to attack more.
* The "I'm half the player I should be" story
* Newspaper article the other day saying players are bored stiff at training sessions as they always do the same things
Players will put up with so much if there is some light at the end of the tunnel, but its becoming more and more clear there isn't any. What are we working towards? Players will be acutely aware we don't create chances, they are being booed off the pitch at the end of yet another 0-0, they are not being allowed to express themselves on the pitch.
It won't be long til this all blows up spectacularly when everyone finally realises the emperor isn't wearing any clothes. I would pre-empt that and sack him now, the sooner the better. Don't give him January to further unbalance the squad.
* Rooney & Carrick telling him they want to attack more.
* The "I'm half the player I should be" story
* Newspaper article the other day saying players are bored stiff at training sessions as they always do the same things
Players will put up with so much if there is some light at the end of the tunnel, but its becoming more and more clear there isn't any. What are we working towards? Players will be acutely aware we don't create chances, they are being booed off the pitch at the end of yet another 0-0, they are not being allowed to express themselves on the pitch.
It won't be long til this all blows up spectacularly when everyone finally realises the emperor isn't wearing any clothes. I would pre-empt that and sack him now, the sooner the better. Don't give him January to further unbalance the squad.
For me the most baffling part is that he intended to play the whole season with Rooney up front and Romero in the goal. 
He was suprised how good Martial was and had nothing to do with the collapse of DDG's move to Madrid. Incredible.
He was suprised how good Martial was and had nothing to do with the collapse of DDG's move to Madrid. Incredible.Two past it players having a whinge and some clickbait cock and bull aren't grounds for getting rid of your manager before you've even reached Christmas 2nd season of a 3 season project. You could equally do a quick list of positive things being said about him by the team.
End of the season is the time to take a long hard look at things. For all we know we might spend £100 million in January and end up winning this piss poor league by 12 points.
Too many crystal balls in here.
For me the most baffling part is that he intended to play the whole season with Rooney up front and Romero in the goal.
Would have been Navas I assume.
You are right.
I'm not yet in the LVG out camp, but my patience is wearing thin. I thought, albeit in patches, that our attack looked very fluid and we created a plethora of chances. There were so many of many of them in fact and by the law of averages we should have scored, however a lot of our players just "buckled" when in front of the goal. The goal drought in this team has become a worrying trend for a while and it needs to be sorted asap. Furthermore I really do think this is a confidence issue and LVG needs to address it because it has led to the Champions League exit and it undoubtedly will lose our position in the title race.
I read a few comments in this thread where some board members are posting David Moyes' achievement and comparing it with van Gaal's: "....at least Moyes got us to the knock out stage", or something along those lines. I don't know what some people are trying to insinuate by making such a statement, but if it is supposed to vindicate Moyes in any way then I would say that it smacks of tunnel vision and doesn't really hold any value in a debate when comparing the reign of the two Managers at Manchester United. Van Gaal is here to stay, for the moment at least, and we need to hope that he can turn it around for us and win a trophy.
I read a few comments in this thread where some board members are posting David Moyes' achievement and comparing it with van Gaal's: "....at least Moyes got us to the knock out stage", or something along those lines. I don't know what some people are trying to insinuate by making such a statement, but if it is supposed to vindicate Moyes in any way then I would say that it smacks of tunnel vision and doesn't really hold any value in a debate when comparing the reign of the two Managers at Manchester United. Van Gaal is here to stay, for the moment at least, and we need to hope that he can turn it around for us and win a trophy.
The only reason it was Rooney and Carrick and not others is that they were senior players chosen as representatives to put the point across. There will be more of these types of things happening and not all of them will be made up bollocks. A few more 0-0s and that will be the end of it imo.
What positive things have players said about him? Please do post a quick list.....
LVG is not here for very long, and United is building an attack for the future. It's a great chance for players to be part of that. Sure, you're not walking into a well oiled machine, but those players can become part of that at a huge club.
It's not the same logic at all. The point I was making is that our manager is being criticised by a bunch of spoiled supporters when in comparison to his/our main competition he is actually doing at least as good a job, if not better with less time and less resource so far
You can probably lure youngsters like Martial with that line, but I think most established players will tell you: "thanks, but I'd rather play for the CL right away than maybe three years from now".
Think it boils down to this, be interested to see if anybody can argue with the following,
1) £250m in today's market is nowhere near enough to build a squad capable of winning the PL or Champs League. If this were 1995 and we had spent that cash it would be different, but this is football in the 21st century were an uncapped teenager costs £40m
2) 18 months is nowhere near enough time to turn a team around from mid-table mediocrity too champions. Van Gaal has had maybe one full summer window and one full January window to replace 20 players. It's not enough time
1) £250m in today's market is nowhere near enough to build a squad capable of winning the PL or Champs League. If this were 1995 and we had spent that cash it would be different, but this is football in the 21st century were an uncapped teenager costs £40m
2) 18 months is nowhere near enough time to turn a team around from mid-table mediocrity too champions. Van Gaal has had maybe one full summer window and one full January window to replace 20 players. It's not enough time
We'll be in the Cl next year just as we were this year. We'll be able to get most "gettable" players with the lure of playing for Manchester United, in the CL, paid fantastically and with a really good chance of establishing themselves as mainstays in our attack. I don't care whether it's an established player or someone on the brink. It's the quality that matters. Martial himself might be a youngster but he's better than plenty of established players.
He gets about 5 out of 10 decisions right for me. Fergie would get closer to 8 out of 10. It's simple things that really hinders us- substitutions, man management, etc. Also, while I have seen some improvement I don't necessarily buy that we are tougher to beat. We aren't tougher to cut through. We have the best keeper in the league by some margin. It seems like De Gea makes more saves than we have shots on target most games. While we are in a decent spot in the league most teams have been average. He should stay until the summer but I don't want another whole season of us still falling back on Fellaini.
So we get to spend another summer trying and failing to sign muller, neymar and ramos ?
Almost forgot bale.
They aren't gettable players.
woodward and LVG disagree.
Chelsea's First XI + Subs vs. Bournemouth cost £277m... and they won the league last year.
Granted they're doing shit this year, but everyones been banging on about that stat at the moment, so yeah.
Make certain we land Guardiola for next season and sack LvG at the end of this. Wouldn't even matter to me if we won the league or not, if you have the chance to get Guardiola over LvG you take it.
I'm not interested in this. My point was different entirely.
How long was that spent over? Prior to winning the league they only bought Costa and Fabregas. Those two were the boost they needed to take them up a notch. Quite different from quickly building an almost entire squad.
Hazard, Matic, Azpi, Willan, Oscar were all bought after their sixth place season.
Guardiola is not going to come if we don't qualify for the Champions League - and that is a real possibility this season
Which season was that? We need season-wise position and spending stat for this.
Hazard was the first and it was in 2012/2013.
That's 3 summers isn't it? We're on 2 right now. Wouldn't be surprised if next summer's signings take us to the level we want to reach. We have to get them right of course.
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