LVG only deserves credit for promoting Xavi and inestia.
I'm starting to lose faith but if he can just leave us with quality I'll see his time here as decent.
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I'm starting to lose faith but if he can just leave us with quality I'll see his time here as decent.
Iniesta was promoted in the same way Andres Pereira was promoted (both played twice under LVG, right?). Basically, by not being promoted that much.
Xavi yes. No doubt about that.
Edit: heck, Pereira played 6 times under LVG. Iniesta plyed 2 times. So, it is more like Borthwick-Jackson.
As much as I love Fergie, he's done everything he could do, he's what now 73/74, towards his final years we played some good football but the decline was there to see. Also it would mean that our game plan would change massively from what LVG is trying to do. I would say give him till the end of the season and then bring in Pep to hopefully make us great again.
I might be wrong about this but wasn't Heynckes planning to retire at the end of the season? I certainly don't think he was let go mid-contract. I'd feel differently if LVG's contract was expiring at the end of this season as opposed to next. Agree that the PL isn't that strong this season, but you can only beat what's in front of you (or draw 0-0).
Yep. Think it'd only make a difference to players who have succeeded under him, or if we wanted to get someone from La Masia.
nothing to do with glory hunting. i wouldn't have fallen in love with football watching this united side, it's fecking dire viewing.
my feelings aren't based off one match, it's taken a while to get to where i am with us at the minute but i don't look forward to our games any more. i don't know the result before the match, i just know that win, lose or draw, i'll be bored as feck. why bother watching if there's something else to do? that's why i want him to feck off. with the money we spend and our history i cannot accept playing shit football and not winning. i'll be the first to admit that if we were winning i'd be moaning less but we're not.
Needs to go, spent loads and has under achieved.
Whilst the squad was in need of being trimmed, he has completely destroyed it, how Powell came on yesterday, yet we have Adnan out on load is beyond me.
Hasn't replaced the players we have got rid of, he isn't in it for the long haul, I really don't see how he is still in a job.
edit : Not a glory hunter, just sick of watching this shit.
Whilst the squad was in need of being trimmed, he has completely destroyed it, how Powell came on yesterday, yet we have Adnan out on load is beyond me.
Hasn't replaced the players we have got rid of, he isn't in it for the long haul, I really don't see how he is still in a job.
edit : Not a glory hunter, just sick of watching this shit.
Some say that, others say that he was gently pushed out instead as Bayern had a deal with Pep even before Jupp had made his final decision.
@Balu
What I meant was that the "November streak" from last year has already happened in September this...hence why we're point better off, and should be more.
You're essentially saying you can't see something happening that has so far already happened.
He was out of contract but Bayern made the decision to not renew. I agree that LVG still has a year to go, but it would be madness to let go of the chance to get Pep.
I really think it's going to take a miracle to turn this round for LVG now but I don't see how getting rid at this very moment could salvage anything from the rest of the season. I'm of the opinion that it would do more harm than good sacking him now.
I think we're just going to have to grin and bear it until the summer and hope that we can find a top class replacement.
I think we're just going to have to grin and bear it until the summer and hope that we can find a top class replacement.
We don't know really. Jupp himself said afterwards, that he made the decision to retire at the end of his contract after the CL final loss in 2012. He wanted to give it one last year, one last shot, so if that's true, Heynckes' retirement was his own choice and we would have needed a new manager anyway.
The problem is that the deal with Guardiola became public before Heynckes could announce his retirement himself, so he might have just said it even though it isn't true. There never were rumours about Heynckes extending his contract though, at no point. In the end it worked perfectly for us, Heynckes retired with the treble at the end of his contract and Guardiola took over. The announcement of the manager change should have been handled better though, there's no doubt about that. But it was a difficult situation once someone else talked and the news broke in Italy. We kinda had to tell the world it was true at that point.
I can't really blame them, they have given the cash, but it's been squandered when we look at the signing of a di Maria and the wasted contract of falcao. I would not trust VG with anymore more money when he seems to make players worse
The big question is the damage to the morale of the squad done by the summer, will some players be busy trying to get transfers arranged?
To be fair, those players can feck off.
In fairness to LVG Iniesta was 16 (by 9 days) when LVG left the first time so Iniesta was not ready then
he actually played 6 times for lvg (1 cl and 5 league) - out of 9 games in total in his debut season
when he came back (for about a 6 month stint) Iniesta had just turned 18 and LVG gave him his debut in October in the CL (Bruge Cct 29th)
he gave him his league debut in December (mallorca Dec 21st)
In January he played 4 games: (5th Recretavio, 12th Malaga, 18th Valencia, 26th Celta Vigo)
two days after the celta vigo game LGV left Barca
Iniesta did not play again till march (2 cl games and 1 league game)
Im not sure LVG could have played him much more considering how young he was - but he undoubtedly did give him a fair bit of game time for such a young player at such a big club and did bring him into the first team squad
the season after iniesta only made 9 appearances again and it was the season after that that he really broke through as a 20 year old making over 40 appearances
This. He certainly does not bring the best out of players, they key ingredient for a good managed in my opinion. Cant remember the last time I saw our players smiling and looking like they were enjoying their job.
They should be thinking about making a challenge for the league - with the added bonus of the FA cup and Europa to play for as well.
I'm of this opinion to. Just get rid at the end of the season.
Other than Smalling?
To me it's simple, if Ancelotti wants to comeback sooner I will take him. The posters who think that it's not the best idea are probably right but I can't stand the sight of LVG anymore.
Well are talking about a couple of months here with Ggigs and hopefully rene would do most of the leg work.
The team is demoralised and the squad looks lost. Nothing would raise morale and give purpose more than the return of the emperor. Bloody hell with the right momentum the man can even win the league
Yes , I am getting the same jitters as when people kept saying that all we had to so with Moyes was give him a lot of money and he would turn things around after spending 70 mil .
We've given Van Gaal 250m, one of the top 5 spends in all of Europe . and the excuses still ring out that we need to spend even more. I think its the sad case of a fool and another person's money in this case.
The Glazers have now spent almost 400m post Fergie. We cant just keep throwing money at our problems. We need to get out more out of our current bunch first.
Thanks. I think we should do the same too, seal a deal with a successor for the Summer in private too. I'm not so sure Guardiola will sign a extension with you guys, so I'd go after him with everything. Maybe even send Sir Alex to have a personal talk with him. I think he holds him in high regard.
It's a lot more difficult to do with a manager still on contract though. You can't give Guardiola a contract for next season without telling van Gaal that he's fired.
I can't really think of any of our players that would think like that to be honest. They seem like a professional bunch and although morale may take a battering (it must have already been knocked out of them a fair bit last night), we don't seem to have any characters in the squad that would push for a move away based on poor performances.
One slight concern may be De Gea but he's now tied to a long term contract and the other looking for a move could be Rooney but I'm not sure anyone would care.
Martial is the one I'd be most gutted about losing but he seems to have his head screwed on.
it's fair to say he's not the genius we expected and the genius he claims himself to be constantly. In fact, he's a bit of an idiot. The constant contradictions in what he says, ridiculous tactical decisions and substitutions, and bizarre transfer choices keep further highlighting that the man is an ignorant, cocky fecker who is full of self-righteous bullshit.
He's that guy at work who tricks you into thinking he's amazing at his job when you first meet him, but the more you work with him and see him actually do the work, the more you realise he's terrible at his job and just fools everyone into thinking he's great with his constant hyping up of himself.
He's that guy at work who tricks you into thinking he's amazing at his job when you first meet him, but the more you work with him and see him actually do the work, the more you realise he's terrible at his job and just fools everyone into thinking he's great with his constant hyping up of himself.
Simple but efficient.Just a question on his Bayern tenure: Do you remember the game or a run of games where you felt van Gaal's Bayern position as Bayern manager became untenable?
And we are in the situation similar to after the FA Cup against Arsenal with no way out. Although that was how it felt then too but I'm even less optimistic this time with the increasingly toxic atmosphere.
This again?
1. No? Barcelona won the European Cup Winners' Cup and the Copa del Rey, and finished 2nd in La Liga, just 2 points behind Real Madrid. How was that a time of despair?
And let's not talk about the despair in his second term shall we?
2. Most people in favor of letting go want him replaced at the end of the season when upgrades might be available, and the fact that the progress has been really, really stunted.
3. Improved a club at the top of their game? They had finished 10 points behind Villarreal in the league, and won just 4 games away from home. And although they reached the semi-finals of the Champions League vs United, they had faced Celtic and Schalke is the previous round of matches. How is that equated with being at the top of their game?
4. Yes, it is coincidental. He doesn't hold his breath waiting for Van Gaal to lay the groundwork, before sneaking away with all the glory.
5. What exactly are you basing this on?
And just to check out the foundations, this was Van Gaal's Bayern Munich:
How many of those players are in Pep's first team right now? And how much is Pep benefiting from Van Gaal's system when Heyneckes went all counter-attack during his tenure?
Not a formal contract. A gentleman's agreement maybe. Just expressing serious interest
Still remember in the Moyes season, they were press rumours that Woody had held talks with Van Gaal even though Moyes was still here. I'm not sure how true they were, but Van Gaal rejected the Spurs job and did end up as our manager. So it might be possible.
You're right. For some reasons I thought that de la Cruz was the manager in January and LVG left by Christmas.
So, yep, 6 times played. Which I don't think means much or that he had some influence in Iniesta's development.
Sure, not blaming him for not playing Iniesta more considering that he wasn't ready. But also, no point on giving him credit for playin Iniesta 6 times. Lets not forget that Iniesta became really great only in 2008, which is near 6 years after LVG left.
My point is that there is stuff for which LVG should be praised. But Xavi, Muller, Alaba and Badstuber aren't comparable with Iniesta and Kroos. For the first group, LVG was really important. For the second group, he has been irrelevant.
His early period was average when he first arrived, but improved dramatically from January. His second season was average and Bayern offered him a 5 year contract, probably assuming he would do the same. But after January it was dire, and they sacked him in April.
I think it is inevitable. We are more similar to Madrid after Del Bosque rather than Liverpool after Dalglish. Throw a lot of money at the problem, but not having a good strategy of what we want to do.Hope so!
I am not saying that we will reach Barca/Bayern height - far from it - but eventually we'll win something. A bit like Madrid who occasionally win something but which gets dwarfed by the likes of Barc who have a plan.
My concern is that in recent press conferences etc, LVG actually seems to be cracking up a bit. He is constantly trying to justify himself - last night talking about how the stats show we are better than last year for example. Basically he is starting to sound like Moyes.
Dont know if I would want to get rid of him mid-season, although it would be a good opportunity to give Giggs a real test (but could end disastrously if we dropped out of the top four). What I do know is that we would be mad not to go for Guardiola next summer.
Dont know if I would want to get rid of him mid-season, although it would be a good opportunity to give Giggs a real test (but could end disastrously if we dropped out of the top four). What I do know is that we would be mad not to go for Guardiola next summer.
There were many problems throughout the season, but the week that started with the awful loss at home against Dortmund, followed by the cup semifinal loss at home against Schalke and was topped by the truely embarrassing loss in Hannover sealed his fate for pretty much every Bayern fan I know. He eventually made it even worse with his massive feck-up in the CL home leg against Inter a week later and by regularly showing his arrogance and delusion in interviews.
Up until then the team often came up with a good game, so that he survived the criticism, even though the overall picture was already very dark.
You could pretty much use that last sentence to describe his tenure here too.
I actually thought we'd win last night because he seems to have a tendency to win big games when things are reaching boiling point for him. So far he's been the master of just about doing enough to avoid being up shit-creek.
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