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soapythecat said:
Many folk acknowledged that the squad was lacking in some areas at the start of the season, regardless of how much we had spent, yet use the same stick to hit LvG with. We still need a lot more quality to compete. Yes, the football has been poor but we just haven't been clinical enough.
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Any stick will do at the moment.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
I don't want him sacked, I've defended him a few times in various threads over the past few weeks and in several threads again since last night.

However, to play devil's advocate, if the club are definitely going to 'part ways' with Louis in the summer, Pep is definitely off to City and Ancelotti would be willing to join us in January, would it not make more sense to do so sooner rather than later? To have 5 months to assess the squad, see what he's working with and head into the summer window knowing exactly what he wants?

It seems the previous summer just gone was the first since Fergie where we've not been hindered by a new manager needing time to bed in, and thus having a sub par window as a result.
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He said he doesn't want to work mid-season probably because he doesn't to be stuck in the possible situation where he blames another manager's team for failure. I mean Ancelotti for some reason struggling with LVG's striking options and missing out on 4th would be a disaster for us, and he'd say it isn't his fault either. I think it's sensible. Whether he goes to United or Chelsea, he wants the ability to get a few names in that would allow him to do the job he wants. Even if we do go for him, I'd do it that way.

This is where I suppose a DOF is helpful. If we did hire a different manager in the summer that guy would tell the new manager who simply has proven not good enough and so on.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
They are good enough. It's the experienced players that aren't good enough.
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Squad is not good enough regardless agreed but bar Martial, DDG (who will be gone imo) and Shaw before his injury I don't see these guaranteed future top notchers everyone keeps harping on about among our young players. With mercurial talent like Depay for example it's 50/50 as to which way it will go.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I know that. But if you hire a new manager you should at least give him the environment he wishes to work in, and not forcibly thrust him into the job using money. That's the wrong way IMO.

My take on those options:

Mourinho - can bugger off, not fit for United
Jorge Jesus - no idea
Pochettino - would be my choice as someone to consider in the summer
Tuchel - only just joined Dortmund.
Sampoli - no idea
Mancini - no way
Giggs - novice, can't believe are happy sacking LVG and Giggs taking over now.
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Giggs till summer i meant.

I dont think why you say mourinho can bugger off when he is a winner and he will gives us much better performances and results. He is the best manager even with his blip and also he is one of the greatest ever.

Mancini has done wonders with inter and played great football. The man is a great manager, he plays good football, gets on with the players. He has done well with inter. Taking them top. I think if we look past his city days, he is a good manager. Remember matt busby played for liverpool.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
He said he doesn't want to work mid-season probably because he doesn't to be stuck in the possible situation where he blames another manager's team for failure. I mean Ancelotti for some reason struggling with LVG's striking options and missing out on 4th would be a disaster for us, and he'd say it isn't his fault either. I think it's sensible. Whether he goes to United or Chelsea, he wants the ability to get a few names in that would allow him to do the job he wants. Even if we do go for him, I'd do it that way.

This is where I suppose a DOF is helpful. If we did hire a different manager in the summer that guy would tell the new manager who simply has proven not good enough and so on.
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I saw him say he wouldn't, but his recent comments make me think he'd reconsider. Surely no one would blame the new manager for whatever happens towards the tail end of the season, and there's no way he'd be under any pressure inside 5 months. I mean, no one blamed Giggs for his very short tenure at the end of 13/14. We all knew the squad was shit.

We'd obviously need to sound Carlo out and see if he'd accept it first. I too had written him off for a mid season accession until the other day.
 
Won't get the sack. There's no one available who could be better than him.
 
lem8sh said:
Squad is not good enough regardless agreed but bar Martial, DDG (who will be gone imo) and Shaw before his injury I don't see these guaranteed future top notchers everyone keeps harping on about among our young players. With mercurial talent like Depay for example it's 50/50 as to which way it will go.
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Memphis, Martial and Shaw are the three young ones we've signed and they'll all IMO prove top class.

Schneiderlin, Blind and Herrera are great additions and at a good age to contribute for years.

Rojo is a pretty good squad player, but nothing more.

De Gea is one of the best, young and has signed a contract with us.

Smalling is top class and has years of great service to give to us.

Let's give Darmian some time before we judge him. Defensively he looks very good, in attack he has to improve but he has time on his side.

Our signings are a lot better than people make out. The real issue is that along with these young players/good players in defence and midfield, we haven't signed some quality attackers nearer to their peak. Rooney has to be replaced, Mata on the right has to be upgraded, and Young on the left has to be upgraded/bring someone in while Memphis develops.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
For those that want him out NOW:
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Whilst I appreciate your point I think it's impossible to say what these managers would do. Footballers and football managers say a lot of things when in reality they do the opposite. If Ancelotti was approached at the end of the day one knows whether he'd say yes or no. I'd imagine it would be a hard job to turn down for most managers. I'd agree you're correct you would struggle to get an employed coach out their club mid season though most would want to see a project through.

As for LVG I'm just sick of him to be honest, I'm sick of having paid pretty much 50 quid a game to watch shite....Of 12 games at home this season there's been 15 goals so just over a goal a game. It's terrible, there's no action or entertainment from his teams. I don't mind losing the odd games it's going to happen, I'm not entitled to think we have to win every game 4-0. I actually enjoyed last nights game, football is essentially an entertainment. As much as people love to take a moral high ground at the "win at all costs" mentality if you weren't entertained by the sport surely you wouldn't watch it? I don't find rugby entertaining so don't watch it but my local team could be the best thing ever for all I know. Do I enjoy losing 4-0 to City under Moyes? Course not, but you don't enjoy losing derbys...it's bragging rights essentially, but equally I don't get any satisfaction out of drawing 0-0 at home to City especially when they're there to be beaten.

I can understand people who are happy with shit 1-0s and proving statistically we are better off than we were last season but for me it's just frustrating to watch. Turning up to Old Trafford has become a chore now really. No one there is enjoying themselves it seems.

I'm just pretty fed up of him and all he stands for really. Being set up not to lose instead of winning, blaming random players for poor results, not playing our more creative players, bizarre substitutions...the list goes on. I won't be upset in the slightest when he goes, I'll be quite happy to be honest.
 
Sacking LVG right now will do more harm than good. Wait till the end of season and evaluate overall and make decision to either let him continue his reign or cut it short. Got January window coming up so hopefully LVG will dip into the market and bring in depth in the squad to cover the injuries and more. Being knocked out of the champions league is very hard pill to swallow but it just shows where united are at.
 
Ancelotti came out with the comments that he could return to the Madrid if the job became available. So . I really do think he can be convinced mid-season to take over, especially given the financial backing and the talent within this squad(Its a good squad imo)
 
FacerTheRed said:
Sacking LVG right now will do more harm than good. Wait till the end of season and evaluate overall and make decision to either let him continue his reign or cut it short. Got January window coming up so hopefully LVG will dip into the market and bring in depth in the squad to cover the injuries and more. Being knocked out of the champions league is very hard pill to swallow but it just shows where united are at.
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Woody's recent comments about us reining in our spending worries me. I am not sure I'd trust Van Gaal with more money, especially if we are thinking of sacking him at season end. Some of the players struggling are his own signings too, who is to say that the new signings wont struggle either. For me , that is a bigger risk. The Glazers wont keep spending like this forever.
 
I tend to back the manager despite results, but we really should have gotten out of that group with ease.

Our next two games are at Norwich and Bournemouth while Arsenal play Aston Villa, Man City play Swansea before they both play each other after.

Any other time i'd be confident that we could benefit and take 6 points while at least 1 our main title rivals drop points, but now? I'd be happy with 4 points from those two matches thats how bad it's gotten.

If we don't change personnel at the helm (which we wont) we have to change the way we approach games.
 
soapythecat said:
Many folk acknowledged that the squad was lacking in some areas at the start of the season, regardless of how much we had spent, yet use the same stick to hit LvG with. We still need a lot more quality to compete. Yes, the football has been poor but we just haven't been clinical enough.
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When you spend the money we have, you really have no other excuses for a squad lacking in quality. Especially when we let a lot of players go.

I like LvG's personality, and I think he adds much needed discipline to a squad that was getting out of control during the end of the Moyes reign, but this football is dire.

Just like with Moyes, we have hit a turning point and I think things will only get worse from here now.
 
soapythecat said:
Many folk acknowledged that the squad was lacking in some areas at the start of the season, regardless of how much we had spent, yet use the same stick to hit LvG with. We still need a lot more quality to compete. Yes, the football has been poor but we just haven't been clinical enough.
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Against the likes of Barca, Bayern, Real. Yes. we still need to quality players. But if we are using the same excuse for teams like PSV, wolsfburg, we have fallen way behind.
 
It should be a case of when he goes rather than if, particularly with this track record of player turnover and transfer dealings (another summer's worth would be a case of self-harm). If Ancelotti were open to taking over in January, then these next 2-3 weeks could determine much.
 
I definitely think the fact he'll retire next year anyway will come into it. If he was 55 then I could see him staying for years.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
I saw him say he wouldn't, but his recent comments make me think he'd reconsider. Surely no one would blame the new manager for whatever happens towards the tail end of the season, and there's no way he'd be under any pressure inside 5 months. I mean, no one blamed Giggs for his very short tenure at the end of 13/14. We all knew the squad was shit.

We'd obviously need to sound Carlo out and see if he'd accept it first. I too had written him off for a mid season accession until the other day.
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Giggs wasn't blamed because we had little to play for. If Ancelotti misses out of top 4 then he will be blamed and it would be one terrible way to start at your new club. I'd rather give him a nice fresh start if he were to join.

Maradona10 said:
Giggs till summer i meant.
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Why? Just forget for a minute that you need instantly need to see LVG go. Let's assume he's going to go regardless. Why would you keep Giggs over LVG till the end of this season? Why would a novice inspire any confidence? Doesn't make any sense.

Maradona10 said:
I dont think why you say mourinho can bugger off when he is a winner and he will gives us much better performances and results. He is the best manager even with his blip and also he is one of the greatest ever.
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He's not the best manager and more importantly he's not fit to manage Manchester United. Firstly he's a short fix and does no long term planning whatsoever. Secondly, he's at the lowest ebb of his career. And most importantly, he stands against the values Manchester United stand for. This is what a Chelsea poster said a few days back about Mourinho and young players:

Gol123 said:
He says he will use them when he has nothing to win. He has admitted we wont get top 4 this season now but still wont play them. He just doesn't want to.
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Gol123 said:
he didn't play them when we were winning last season either.

Him, Ake, Baker and Solanke all deserve a chance amongst the loanees. Loftus-Cheek, Musonda, Traore and Kenedy should be playing games too. He is insulting them by treating them the way he has.

I don't think he is the right man for longevity. His attitude is toxic, his methods burn quickly and he refuses to do any long term planning. Also, his answer to every problem is to buy a load of players.
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I'd keep Mourinho far away from this football club. I'd rather go for Pochettino before him anyday.
 
bleedred said:
Against the likes of Barca, Bayern, Real. Yes. we still need to quality players. But if we are using the same excuse for teams like PSV, wolsfburg, we have fallen way behind.
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They are a strong side, they would step to a lot of prem teams tbh. City and arsenal included.

Psv are trash I admit. We didn't deserve it anyway.
 
Has to deliver a trophy at the end of the season to stay on after this imo. Especially if Guardiola is available. We should be able to focus fully on the PL now. No excuses about fitness/tiredness etc.
 
Mourinho will add his own ego problems to the already existing problems. Make players some kind of sore losers too.
Sorry. Never wanted him here. Never ever will.
 
Best to judge him at the end of the season. But as long as he finishes in the top four the club will back him.
 
Think we need to give LVG time. The squad overhaul was needed, Fergie left a shocking squad behind and Moyes buys (Mata and Fellaini) were awful. I seen Scholes Rio and Owen comment last night about he sold a better team. But if they think United could have carried on with Rio Vidic Rafeal Evra Cleverley Anderson Fletcher Evans RVP Nani then they are living in some time warp. The buys LVG has done have been mixed but that's going to happen. The big problem was we needed squad investment we have made some sensible buys in Morgan Herrera Shaw Martial Blind Bastian and had some unlucky ones in Falcao and ADM (looked brilliant on paper to everyone) and some buys still the jury is out on them ie Darmain and Rojo. I don't think LVG has done much wrong with what he's had at his disposal. The football is boring but that's the players not the system imo.
 
Akshay said:
Has to deliver a trophy at the end of the season to stay on after this imo. Especially if Guardiola is available. We should be able to focus fully on the PL now. No excuses about fitness/tiredness etc.
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If Guardiola is available I don't think it should actually matter what LVG does.
 
So Newstalk were saying last night that financially its only a 7 million loss for United going to the Europa League instead of the knockout rounds of the CL. The players CL bonus and the potential money from Europa league makes up the short fall.

Assuming its true I don't see that the board will be moved to make a decision now, not when we're competing in the league. I would imagine though that LVG's minimum goal is 3rd place now.
 
No chance of him going this season. It won't happen at the end of the season either unless we collapse and end up being out of the top four as well as dull. The club have made it quite clear they think he's the man for the job.

Whatever happens the Mourinho circus is the last thing we need.
 
NK86 said:
I think you need to see the team left by Guardiola compared to the team left by LVG from his Barca days. Also Rijkaard was doing well but nowhere near as good as Pep has. You putting Pep's contribution down and telling it is because of VG that he was successful with those teams is preposterous.

What is more baffling is you insinuating that we didn't hire LVG to win trophies. Why on earth are we splurging like crazy if that was not the case?
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There was no team left by LVG. Pretty much every player of that team was sold ASAP.

Giving LVG credit to Bayern is quite acceptable. He really did some good things in improving the structure before he went full insane in the second season and almost managed to not qualify them for UCL (he was outside of UCL zone when he was sacked).

Giving him credit for Pep's success at Barca is like giving Moyes credit for the success that Untied will eventually have under some other manager a few years from now. It is totally insane.
 
Akshay said:
Could you stomach firing LVG even if he wins the PL this season? It might be the right choice, but I'd struggle to get behind that kind of decision. Maybe I'm not ruthless enough.
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It's not something I would have thought I'd be saying as I normally push forth patience, but losing the chance of hiring Pep is simply not worth just one last year in management of LVG.

I really do believe whoever hires Pep in the PL is going to have some pretty brilliant knock-on effects that could prove to be game-changers.
 
The poll needs a "change managers at the end of the season".
 
amolbhatia50k said:
It's not something I would have thought I'd be saying as I normally push forth patience, but losing the chance of hiring Pep is simply not worth just one last year in management of LVG.

I really do believe whoever hires Pep in the PL is going to have some pretty brilliant knock-on effects that could prove to be game-changers.
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It's not only the hiring of a manager, but also the standard of player who might be prepared to come and play for him.
 
Akshay said:
Could you stomach firing LVG even if he wins the PL this season? It might be the right choice, but I'd struggle to get behind that kind of decision. Maybe I'm not ruthless enough.
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The league this season is an absolute disaster. Winning it will obviously make me happy but I feel our standards were shown up in Europe. If we want to become a part of the elite group again on the field, we have to put aside sentimentality and look further ahead. Heck, even Heckneys was let go when Guardiola became available. I am sure that many will point out that was before the treble happened but if we have to get Pep, it will also have to be a decision taken in the next month or two.
 
Rednotdead said:
It's not only the hiring of a manager, but also the standard of player who might be prepared to come and play for him.
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Exactly, that's what I mean't by knock-on effects. You're basically hiring the most sought after name in management. Football fans (particularly United fans) found his Barcelona boring, but whenever you hear footballers speak they usually talk about that side as the pinnacle of standard of football, and the admiration is evident. We'd instantly become a lot more attractive to players. And that's all apart form his actual achievements and pedigree.
 
Mockney said:
We already have more points than this stage last season, so the "lucky November streak" doesn't need to be repeated (it's debatable it was achieved in September) and the rest is just conjecture.

None of which means I think he's doing a great job (I increasingly dont) but it's still just making shit up so the rants seem better. Like all the posters who gallantly pretend they much preferred getting spanked at home by City & Pool under Moyes, just to make their point more hysterical.
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Yeah the September to November streak. Every time we were under pressure for a top four place we got the results we needed, I don't see the same happening this year. If Liverpool closed the gap to us to three points in March like last year I don't see LVG being able to find a winning formula that got us over the line. He increasingly looks like a beaten man to be honest.
 
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