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Do you want LVG sacked?

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C'est Moi Cantona said:
If he truly is been backed then the club should have come out and quashed all these rumours, instead they seemed to almost fan the flames.
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The press live off speculation like this and everyone knows, he just needs to brush it off, which tbh he probably has, yet choose to take a different approach to them yesterday, probably to gee the fans squad up a bit.
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I think the club did the right thing. Call him personally to assure him. What is the point of a press release? Chelsea did that and still fire Jose.
 
jojojo said:
I think that anonymous briefing, by Woodward, about LvG being a genius and having everyone's support including the fans (the no phonecalls/emails thing) has killed him. The fans were infuriated by it, the press seem to want to test it to destruction and I suspect the players who were hoping for changes (not necessarily a new manager immediately) weren't too impressed either.

A couple of weeks later, out of the CL, out of the top four, the vultures are circling. It's almost as if Woodward and the board have left the decision to the fans and the players. I think it ends with LvG going - the only question is whether it's in 2015 or 2016.
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I dont understand why the leader of a billion dollar organization needs to be regularly doing any of this briefings, especially as they dont work.

The one about us being fine with a UCL first round exit as we got more money from the league was just apalling.

I would love if he didnt give briefs and just focused on doing his job.
 
Sereques said:
I think the club did the right thing. Call him personally to assure him. What is the point of a press release? Chelsea did that and still fire Jose.
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The point of the press release would be to get them off his back, and stop all the fevered fan speculation, alot of fans/press now believe if he loses one of the Stoke or Chelsea games he will be sacked, hardly a healthy siltation for all invovled if it isn't true
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
The point of the press release would be to get them off his back, and stop all the fevered fan speculation, alot of fans/press now believe if he loses one of the Stoke or Chelsea games he will be sacked, hardly a healthy siltation for all invovled if it isn't true
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The lack of public comment from the club in support of Van Gaal certainly suggests he's under immediate pressure.

You can't put out a press release stating "he might get sacked if results don't improve imminently".

As it is I think he's done for anyway.
 
RedRover said:
The lack of public comment from the club in support of Van Gaal certainly suggests he's under immediate pressure.

You can't put out a press release stating "he might get sacked if results don't improve imminently".

As it is I think he's done for anyway.
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But by not backing him they are virtually doing the same thing, and if LvG really is as affected by it all as he made out yesterday then they've let him down (if they do back him as he said), but for me it was just game playing by LvG, deflect the attention and create a 'them and us' mentality with the fans and players.

Reality is he needs results big time, he could do it I suppose, and if so I reckon the club will then come and back him properly and give him money to spend in January.
 
Zarlak said:
Every single line of that is an exaggeration. We're in the top 4. We're nowhere near doing a Liverpool. We did a Liverpool under Moyes. LVG took us back into the top 4 and now we're still there. Yes we're not fighting for 1st, but we're in the top 4. That's not doing a Liverpool. Facht.

We're not being left behind by the tier below Europe's elite either. The last time I checked, we're above them in the league and we haven't played any Europa matches yet to see if the tier below Europe's elite are steaming on ahead of us. Hence, exaggeration.

The last part about telling kids about how we used to be successful, give me a break. It's been 2 years since we won the league. Chelsea went 4 years without winning it last season. Do you think their fans were sat around fires last year telling their children the legends of the last time Chelsea won the league all those hundreds of years ago? I can understand the frustration with how we're playing, but it's one thing to be frustrated and another to be pathetic. Let's not blow this widely out of proportion. We're playing shite and under performing this season, that's it.
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Isn't this exactly where Liverpool are? Not quite top of the league and competing for the title but aiming for top 4 and being fine with it.
 
Kanchelskis as weighed in saying that LVG does not understand English football but should see out at least the rest of the season.
 
People saying he should see out the rest of the season should get a reality check. Either you stand behind him because you think he can turn shit around or you sack him straight away.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Oh leave it out, this is a hardend football manager we are talking about, he has been sacked a few times before and faced all sorts of criticism, he is well used to it, it's not like any of the papers are getting personal they are merely saying he could lose his job because he is failing, so what? take it like a man and make them eat their words by getting the team playing better.

LvG is just playing games and trying to get the sympathy vote imo, deep down he couldn't care less what the papers say, he's said enough times he never reads them anyway. It's all a bit boring really just get the team playing better that's all we want.
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If you are saying that all that stuff yesterday was a load of guff. He is deflecting his failings by using his family for sympathy.
 
Gotta love the Sun. They have a point. If LvG can't handle the media and it's speculation he has the wrong job.
 
Godfather said:
Gotta love the Sun. They have a point. If LvG can't handle the media and it's speculation he has the wrong job.
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None of them would have the balls to say that to his face. Cowardly antics from a bottom of the barrel paper.
 
CM10 said:
None of them would have the balls to say that to his face. Cowardly antics from a bottom of the barrel paper.
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Of course they are. But that's nothing new. For LvG to crack up like that was just embarrassing.
 
CM10 said:
None of them would have the balls to say that to his face. Cowardly antics from a bottom of the barrel paper.
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Pretty much. As far as I understood, he wasn't asking for an apology for them calling his job into question. It was the false statements presented as facts. Such as that he'd already been sacked and that Jose had already begun analysing the match videos.
Which since it is in fact pure bollocks, he's entitled to do. Just because newspapers frequently print nonsense doesn't mean he should just take it.
 
Godfather said:
Of course they are. But that's nothing new. For LvG to crack up like that was just embarrassing.
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Fair enough. I just think if they're going to judge someone on their job that their work should also be held to a higher level instead of the piss poor 'journalism' that seems to be accepted in this country.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
But by not backing him they are virtually doing the same thing, and if LvG really is as affected by it all as he made out yesterday then they've let him down (if they do back him as he said), but for me it was just game playing by LvG, deflect the attention and create a 'them and us' mentality with the fans and players.

Reality is he needs results big time, he could do it I suppose, and if so I reckon the club will then come and back him properly and give him money to spend in January.
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Yes - they are. It is what it is. They probably have nothing good to say so are saying nothing which is a sensible course of action.

He needs more than results - he needs a massive and immediate increase in the quality of the performance. That can only come if the players want to save his job. I get the feeling they may not be busting a gut to do him any favours.

In any event the availability of Mourinho now, and Guardiola in the summer change the landscape. Van Gaal is at best temporary option and long term I suspect the club want a top manager.

It's personal opinion but I don't believe Van Gaal has done anywhere near enough to justify the club passing on a top class manager to give him another 18 months.

If the players aren't happy, a few results in his favour won't paper over the huge cracks.
 
CM10 said:
Fair enough. I just think if they're going to judge someone on their job that their work should also be held to a higher level instead of the piss poor 'journalism' that seems to be accepted in this country.
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I'm not sure what the press have actually done wrong here? He is clearly under pressure (the lack of public support from the club confirms that) and Jose Mourinho wants his job. The situation he's in isn't imagined or press hype - it's very much real. They're therefore going to ask questions about it.

Van Gaal is being rightly criticised for poor results and poor performances. He's getting as much stick from the fans as he is from the press.

Easy to paint the press as the bad guys. There is always crap journalism but there are also some very good journalists out there with genuine contacts and inside knowledge asking reasonable questions of a manager with huge experience and a massive ego who simply isn't cutting it.

Of all things Van Gaal is supposed to be a cool and calm manager. If he showed as much fight on the touch line as he did yesterday the fans might believe in him
a bit more.
 
RedRover said:
I'm not sure what the press have actually done wrong here? He is clearly under pressure (the lack of public support from the club confirms that) and Jose Mourinho wants his job. The situation he's in isn't imagined or press hype - it's very much real. They're therefore going to ask questions about it.

Van Gaal is being rightly criticised for poor results and poor performances. He's getting as much stick from the fans as he is from the press.

Easy to paint the press as the bad guys. There is always crap journalism but there are also some very good journalists out there with genuine contacts and inside knowledge asking reasonable questions of a manager with huge experience and a massive ego who simply isn't cutting it.

Of all things Van Gaal is supposed to be a cool and calm manager. If he showed as much fight on the touch line as he did yesterday the fans might believe in him
a bit more.
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My point was more in reference to that Sun front page, those kind of digs wouldn't look out of place on the average rival fans' twitter account.

I don't actually have a problem with there being speculation about his future, he has underperformed so it is natural questions will be asked of him.

I think there is a classier way to go about doing that though and a lot of what has been written just comes across as lazy journalism.
 
RedRover said:
I'm not sure what the press have actually done wrong here? He is clearly under pressure (the lack of public support from the club confirms that) and Jose Mourinho wants his job. The situation he's in isn't imagined or press hype - it's very much real. They're therefore going to ask questions about it.

Van Gaal is being rightly criticised for poor results and poor performances. He's getting as much stick from the fans as he is from the press.

Easy to paint the press as the bad guys. There is always crap journalism but there are also some very good journalists out there with genuine contacts and inside knowledge asking reasonable questions of a manager with huge experience and a massive ego who simply isn't cutting it.

Of all things Van Gaal is supposed to be a cool and calm manager. If he showed as much fight on the touch line as he did yesterday the fans might believe in him
a bit more.
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Once again, press has been writing he was a goner for few weeks now and he had no issues. It was only when the papers or twitter ran that he was already sacked and replaced by Mou that he reacted. His reaction was for those news.
 
The media are scum but I just don't think LVG is that smart. The state of the football is very valid but not once has he blamed the injuries. When you've 8-9 players out....when you've kids playing full back away at Wolfsburg....It just seems an obvious thing to say. The press called us a spending club when he took over and that kids wouldn't get a chance but he has used the kids with an eye to the future. He could say that.

I saw his nose was red in the press conference and maybe it's from crying? I just envisage him punching himself in the nose before he met the press to act hurt. I would fire him on the football alone. I think he's wrong but I just don't know why he don't make these very valid excuses.

We know the football is poor and someone should explain that to him but we're not seeing a smart guy here who's trying to edcuate these idiots in the press. We know what their job is. Let's not act surprised when they do their job - which is to be a complete shit.
 
CM10 said:
My point was more in reference to that Sun front page, those kind of digs wouldn't look out of place on the average rival fans' twitter account.

I don't actually have a problem with there being speculation about his future, he has underperformed so it is natural questions will be asked of him.

I think there is a classier way to go about doing that though and a lot of what has been written just comes across as lazy journalism.
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If you hold The Sun as the standard for journalism then I'm not sure what you expect to be honest.

I'm not sure what's "lazy" about reporting the truth. He is under pressure, the players don't seem happy, the football is crap, the results are poor, the stats are dreadful and reflect badly on his system and style, we're out of the CL and currently out of the top 4. And Mourinho does, seemingly want his job. Most of all, a lot of fans are unhappy and want him gone.

The average punter knows all of that. The press are reporting on it. I'm not sure what the issue is here to be honest.

Van Gaal is in a mess of his own making. He stands and falls by results and performances like any other manager. The press have nothing to do with that.
 
I've nothing against proper journalists using their connections and ability to create a compelling story worth reading.

But what's on the back pages of the Sun and Mirror today, that's not journalism.
 
Zarlak said:
Doing a Liverpool refers to them slipping from the top 4 to regularly finishing mid table and not qualifying for the CL ever.
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To be fair top 4 should never be the goal for United, it has to be the title - every single year. The fact that we haven't aimed for the title in 3 years is a sign of serious decline.
 
That stuff from the Sun is cowardly nonsense. It's based in facts sure (immense irony for that rag) but it's a small-time and rather pointless jab at Van Gaal. Some brainless twat has patted himself/herself on the back for that crap and guffawed with their colleagues at how hilarious it would come off. It's not funny or amusing to anyone who isn't a complete uneducated feckwit.

As my other posts indicate, I do think Van Gaal should be replaced with a suitable manager if he has indeed lost the dressing room (which seems likely) but quite frankly, when I see that shit from the media, I want him to overcome this.
 
Sarni said:
To be fair top 4 should never be the goal for United, it has to be the title - every single year. The fact that we haven't aimed for the title in 3 years is a sign of serious decline.
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No, but it's a realistic goal for a team that needed a large overhaul and only just got back into the champions league. The statement in bold is just flat out false. There are mitigating factors in all walks of life, every day. Nothing can be absolute, it would be absurd. It has to be the title ever year - barring legitimate reasons why it couldn't be. You're confusing a goal with an acceptable result. Top 4 should not be a goal, but finishing in the top 4 is an acceptable result if there are legitimate reasons why it happened. Obviously playing shit is not one of them, but there are others.
 
RedRover said:
If you hold The Sun as the standard for journalism then I'm not sure what you expect to be honest.

I'm not sure what's "lazy" about reporting the truth. He is under pressure, the players don't seem happy, the football is crap, the results are poor, the stats are dreadful and reflect badly on his system and style, we're out of the CL and currently out of the top 4. And Mourinho does, seemingly want his job. Most of all, a lot of fans are unhappy and want him gone.

The average punter knows all of that. The press are reporting on it. I'm not sure what the issue is here to be honest.

Van Gaal is in a mess of his own making. He stands and falls by results and performances like any other manager. The press have nothing to do with that.
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The 'lazy' journalism that I'm referring to is the obviously false claims that he has already been sacked and that Mourinho's arrival is imminent.

I'm not really in favour of van Gaal staying, certainly not long term, but that doesn't mean to say I have to approve of what is being written.

I acknowledge van Gaal has plenty of shortcomings but I don't think you can use being out of the top 4 as a stick to beat him with. It's the first time we have fallen out of it this season and we are just 3 points off 3rd.
 
Zarlak said:
No, but it's a realistic goal for a team that needed a large overhaul and only just got back into the champions league. The statement in bold is just flat out false. There are mitigating factors in all walks of life, every day. Nothing can be absolute, it would be absurd. It has to be the title ever year - barring legitimate reasons why it couldn't be.
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We missed out on Champions League one time in how many years? How does the goal then change completely to just qualifying for the Champions League? That year was one odd out, we shouldnt use that as the standard if you want United to get back to the top. Top4 was a decent aim for last year, minimum aim to be fair. This year was to challenge for the title and nexr year to challenge for the Champions league, at least that was the planned route when LvG arrived. Now that it seems that LvG isnt capable of that, doesnt mean that we should lower the goals.
 
Sammyjunn said:
We missed out on Champions League one time in how many years? How does the goal then change completely to just qualifying for the Champions League? That year was one odd out, we shouldnt use that as the standard if you want United to get back to the top. Top4 was a decent aim for last year, minimum aim to be fair. This year was to challenge for the title and nexr year to challenge for the Champions league, at least that was the planned route when LvG arrived. Now that it seems that LvG isnt capable of that, doesnt mean that we should lower the goals.
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Absolutely. There's several posters said LVG was appointed to 'steady the ship'. What utter bollocks.
 
CM10 said:
I acknowledge van Gaal has plenty of shortcomings but I don't think you can use being out of the top 4 as a stick to beat him with. It's the first time we have fallen out of it this season and we are just 3 points off 3rd.
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It can definitely be used as a stick to beat him with when you look at the state of the league. If we weren't so unbelievably shit we could be running away with it by now.
 
Rado_N said:
It can definitely be used as a stick to beat him with when you look at the state of the league. If we weren't so unbelievably shit we could be running away with it by now.
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I meant it with regard to our place in the top 4 being in danger, but you're right.
 
I can't really answer the poll because I would only sack LVG if we were certain that Mourinho would take the job or there was some sort of pre contract in place, LVG will do a better job over the season than giggs would do thats my opinion, Mourinho or Pep are the only 2 managers I would sack any other manager for in football and its looks like Pep is heading the blue 1/3 of Manchester, so I wouldn't sack at all unless a deal is in place with Mourinho.
 
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