His main flaw in the media is that tells what he thinks and feels. Two features that aren't virtues nowadays. I'd like such guy to be my kids' form tutor at school but wouldn't want him to be my PR guy. And I do have concerns if he can turn it around after so big a mess had been done. Like him as a human being, though.
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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You guys are setting yourselves up for disappointment.
Lvg then giggs. The former even said so himself. I've only recently come to accept this but I'd rather hope for the best and mentally prepare for the worst.
That would really cause me to lose all faith in the people running our club.
Cant say i saw any meltdown on his PC,maybe i am wrong but he looked disappointed a bit. Maybe he is type of guy who expects same level from everybody involved in some profession. In this case its football and media is part of it. So maybe what he demands from him self in being top professional etc.,he demands the same from his players and people working in media,hence mentioning facts,or how their job is to handle facts and not something else. Remember one of Fergie`s PCs where he said something similar to journos in that room.
I can understand, not being happy with the football we're playing, the results, wanting LvG out, and even people not really liking him. I like the guy, I like that we're building towards a possession based game (although what we're showing at the moment isn't great), although, just like everyone else, I'm really unhappy with recent results.
But what I can't understand, is people trying to spin his press conference as a meltdown. Seriously, if that's a meltdown, then there'd be nothing left of Fergie except a puddle by now - he launched tirades far beyond that in press conferences, on a monthly basis. If anything, it's the most positive thing I've seen from LvG in a while, I was genuinely worried he was losing the stomach to fight, that press conference showed different.
As for the main thread topic, I really don't think there's any better options than LvG available at the moment. I believe if we got Mourinho in he'd win the league from this position, but also leave us in a couple of years in a far worse position than we're in now, and an even bigger rebuilding job. As for Giggs, he's not even qualified for the position he's in now, let alone taking over as manager. In short, I don't think we have any other choice at the moment. That being said, our form needs to pick up and fast, otherwise Mourinho leaving us in a mess in 2 years time becomes irrelevant if we're gonna end up there this season.
Time to wait and see, really hope we turn it around, starting tomorrow.
But what I can't understand, is people trying to spin his press conference as a meltdown. Seriously, if that's a meltdown, then there'd be nothing left of Fergie except a puddle by now - he launched tirades far beyond that in press conferences, on a monthly basis. If anything, it's the most positive thing I've seen from LvG in a while, I was genuinely worried he was losing the stomach to fight, that press conference showed different.
As for the main thread topic, I really don't think there's any better options than LvG available at the moment. I believe if we got Mourinho in he'd win the league from this position, but also leave us in a couple of years in a far worse position than we're in now, and an even bigger rebuilding job. As for Giggs, he's not even qualified for the position he's in now, let alone taking over as manager. In short, I don't think we have any other choice at the moment. That being said, our form needs to pick up and fast, otherwise Mourinho leaving us in a mess in 2 years time becomes irrelevant if we're gonna end up there this season.
Time to wait and see, really hope we turn it around, starting tomorrow.
The worst thing about his walkout in his pc is the fact the club hasn't said shit either way, they must have known that he was going to do it and not to come out and back him is a bit daft and sort of undermines what he did.
I doubt very much he informed the club he planned to walk out. Otherwise, why would they have laid on mince pies?
No, Van Gaal missed a trick though. Seeing as he was so keen to boss the technical area, LVG should have sent Giggs out to do the press conference.
Lol, but I think if he did it without telling the media people it would be a surprise and make his situation even worse, everything is scrutinised and planned before so I can't believe nobody sanctioned it.
He should have been professional and just talked of the two matches coming up. Papers will write whatever. His job is to get results. The board has not come out to say anything. That confirms all the rumours.
I actually love his press conferences. Doesn't really say much because i think he is a fantastic manager anyway.
What have the media got to do with anything football? Be it de gea, van gaal, giggs anyone.. They have only been cnuts.
What have the media got to do with anything football? Be it de gea, van gaal, giggs anyone.. They have only been cnuts.
I refuse to believe that our club would be stupid enough to hire Giggs after LVG. After Moyes I think a lot of folks learned their lesson..... Hopefully!
you would think so.
I wouldn't read too much into that, that guy posts alot of horse shit.
It may seem to you that i speek horse shit but thats because im tired of the hearing the likes of you speeking the same repetitve things on a freaking forum.
Yeh man i unfortunately do. I regard him similar to how a school or a class would be if the headteacher was in charge. It's all strict and hard work whilst hes here but After the lesson is done and the teacher goes.. It's play time!!
If this guy was in charge we would still have had pogba at united & i personally find his belief in youth absolutely amazing and it can only benefit us in the future.
You first claim we are not doing a Liverpool and then make the point of just coming back in the CL to back your claim that we should not be expecting a title fight.
FWIW, I think you are right that we are not doing a Liverpool, yet, but we should obviously be gunning for the title every year. Although we lost out on qualifying for the CL under Moyes, we were title winners the year previous to that.
Maybe we would have had Pogba but we would gave been fighting for top 4 instead of winning titles and going far in the CL.
Some of you lot should feel embarrassed that you need to take digs, directly and indirectly, at SAF to somehow justify LVG's position as our manager.
No-one is blaming SAF. He can make all the mistakes he want (moyes being one) & he'd still be the best out there.
I could say the same about you & that you are using SAF to prove a point when he is not available anymore. All i'm saying is that if there is a kid like pogba in the reserves- that he would not leave. Simple.
No need to be embarrassed- you dont know me and i dont know you
What made you think SAF didn't try to keep Pogba? You think he can handcuff him to Carrington and make him stay against his will?
I am using SAF in a light in which he should be seen. Taking digs at a manager without whom this club would not be where it is now is really sad. Also, SAF has as good a, if not better, track record when it comes to youth compared to LVG. You never know how LVG would have reacted to Pogba not keen on continuing with youth football as he thought he had outgrown that. LVG is a nutter and he could well have moved Pogba on. Moreover, I would rather us win than simply keep a talented kid and still struggle for top 4.
Are you telling me it wasn't a mistake either? That playing scholes again instead of pogba was not a mistake.
Anyway I didnt mention SAF once- all im saying is that the manager we have now will make sure that a youngster who is capable will get a chance in the first team whether that be instead of carrick, rooney or whatever aging player we have.
He is still doing something that hadnt been done before which is to leave a squad capable of adapting to a new manager.
It's coming to the period of time where even though our results are down that our squad (inc loans) has shaw, martial, memphis, lingard, peireria, wilson, januzaj, mcnair, smalling, de gea, jones, Borthwick jackson, Varela, blind, rojo, schneirdlin.. All under the age of 25 compared to the team even moyes was left with (evra vidic van persie rooney lindegaard nani never mind players like anderson, evans, cleverely).
Just because SAF could win titles with a mediocre collection of individuals does not mean every manager can.
Our next manager whoever you guys drool about will be in a better place because we currently have a more youtful squad with more energy and potential than before. Simple. Not only that- there is plenty of space in the squad for the next manager to cherry pick the top players of his own liking and for it not to be a problem at all.
I do fecking wish van gaal would win some games to keep you lot happy but even that wont be enough. Oh no blame the cnut for not winning something with a squad of youngsters and a handful of experienced players. Right because we are so used to it under SAF we should expect it now?
We will never have a manager like him again. People are way too expectant.
Yep like Welbeck etc?
Talk about over exaggerating the 'skill' to ship 30+ year old players and spending £250m!
Anyone can do it!
That's why Moyes did it too right ? Oh...
Mark ogden article in Indipendedent
Short version : Players mood better, but are not good like world champs manutd who played stoke after flight from japan, Van gaal relaxed some rules,Expect him to go if UTD are beaten.
The last time Manchester United made the 50-mile journey to Stoke City on Boxing Day, they were up against it.
Seven points adrift of the leaders Liverpool in the Premier League, the only positive in travelling to the Britannia Stadium in late December was the prospect of the biting wind blowing the jet lag out of Sir Alex Ferguson’s players following their gruelling flight back from Japan three days earlier.
That kind of short, sharp shock courtesy of the Staffordshire elements might just be Louis van Gaal’s best hope of energising his players this lunchtime as the Dutchman goes in search of the three points required to keep him in a job.
Seven years ago, United emerged from Stoke with a 1-0 victory after Carlos Tevez’s 83rd-minute goal secured the win which became an oft-quoted turning point from Ferguson’s perspective.
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Winning at Stoke, four days after claiming the Fifa Club World Cup with a 1-0 victory against Liga de Quito in Yokohama, was evidence, according to Ferguson, of the never-say-die, iron-clad commitment of his players.
Recent results and performances suggest that Van Gaal cannot rely on the same levels of desire from the class of 2015 as Ferguson took for granted from his world, European and Premier League champions, although the current manager’s fighting talk during his pre-match press conference on Wednesday may yet rub off on his team today.
Where United once defined resolve and bloody-mindedness – the perfect example of a team reflecting the personality of its manager – they now project the image of half-hearted indifference and Stoke is arguably the last place to go with players who would rather be somewhere else.
During Ferguson’s reign, United made five Premier League visits to the Britannia, winning four and drawing one, but since the Scot’s retirement at the end of the 2012-13 season, they have lost there under David Moyes and emerged with only a draw under Van Gaal in the first game of 2015.
The difference between the United of 2008 and 2015 is striking, however, not only in terms of the players at the manager’s disposal.
Back in 2008, the newly crowned world champions started against Tony Pulis’s team with Edwin van der Sar in goal and the likes of Nemanja Vidic, Paul Scholes, Cristiano Ronaldo, Ryan Giggs, Wayne Rooney and Tevez in their starting line-up.
Of that team, only Rooney remains on the United playing staff, with Michael Carrick appearing from the substitutes’ bench.
The pair, if fit, will be crucial today if Van Gaal is to mastermind a positive result, but the two players are showing the inevitable signs of decline from their peak of seven years ago – perhaps embodying the overall lowering of standards at the club since then.
Ferguson would look to field a blend of youth, experience and players in their mid-twenties, allied with pace and adventure, but the team under Van Gaal appears to be an untidy combination of the opposites. The young players are stopgaps, the old-timers are showing their age and those players in their mid-twenties, the supposed bedrock of the team, lack the daring or drive which were crucial components of the Ferguson era.
Juan Mata, Daley Blind and Ander Herrera regularly flatter to deceive, Marouane Fellaini is the squarest of pegs in the roundest of holes, while Ashley Young is inexplicably overlooked and Phil Jones too injury-prone to earn Van Gaal’s trust.
Only Chris Smalling is performing like a player who would have challenged for a place against Stoke in 2008. His colleagues are leaving the faintest of imprints on the team and will probably become no more than footnotes in the club’s history when United finally get their act together.
The same could be said of Van Gaal, a man now being compared to Dave Sexton by those United supporters who know of a life before Ferguson and the glittering era of Premier League dominance.
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Sexton, a studious man who managed by coaching manual, was sacked after his four and a half years in charge generated no trophies, but high-profile, expensive mistakes, such as the £1.25m on misfiring striker Garry Birtles.
When Sexton was sacked at the end of the 1980-81 season, with United finishing eighth, the team had just won seven games in succession, but the tedium of the football being played at Old Trafford ensured that he had to go.
Van Gaal is in danger of following the same path as Sexton. The 64-year-old is well-liked by staff and supporters for his personality and statesmanlike approach to managing the club, but most have long since given up waiting for his confident persona to be reflected in the football played by his team.
So where do United and Van Gaal go from here?
Defeat at Stoke would almost certainly signal the end, with United’s owners, the Glazer family, aware of the ramifications a fourth successive defeat would have for the mood within the dressing room and in the stands ahead of a seismic game against Chelsea on Monday.
A win, however, would send out the message that Van Gaal remains capable of inspiring his players, despite their increasing concerns over his unswerving approach and obsession with possession and apparent football by numbers.
He certainly maintains the belief that the situation can be turned around, insisting earlier this week that United can quickly claim top spot in the Premier League.
“We are not in a good position,” Van Gaal said. “But four weeks ago, we were first in the Premier League and in four weeks’ time, we can be back in that position again.”
Van Gaal’s readiness to canvass the opinions of senior players such as Rooney and Carrick offers a chink of light, and a positive performance and result today would hint at the manager’s pragmatism and willingness to soften his stance to save his job.
Some within the club claim to have been pleasantly surprised by the upbeat mood around the training ground following the Norwich City defeat, citing a sense of tensions being eased and air being cleared.
But with supporters now beginning to lose faith in Van Gaal’s ability to restore the swagger and trophies to United, there has to be evidence of more than papering over the cracks.
Stoke again lie in wait, but United travel there without the unity and belief which marked their victory on Boxing Day 2008.
Can Van Gaal turn back the clock to inject the same qualities or is it too late?
He will have his answer by 2.30pm and, such is the unforgiving walk from the dugout to the players’ tunnel at the Britannia Stadium, he will be unable to avoid what the supporters think if it does not go well.
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How many points do you think United will need from their next 2 games for LvG to keep his job?
I'd be surprised if he was still here on New Years Day if he got 0 or 1. I think he might survive if he gets 2 or 3. And will definitely stay if we get 4 or 6.
How many points do you think United will need from their next 2 games for LvG to keep his job?
I'd be surprised if he was still here on New Years Day if he got 0 or 1. I think he might survive if he gets 2 or 3. And will definitely stay if we get 4 or 6.
The points question may not be so simple... For me it's all about tomorrow, I don't see how he can recover, even if we beat Chelsea.
However, if we win tomorrow and lose against Chelsea I can see him staying, providing we play with purpose and passion.
However, if we win tomorrow and lose against Chelsea I can see him staying, providing we play with purpose and passion.
I should just point out the match is today, in case you miss it thinking its tomorrow
I should just point out the match is today, in case you miss it thinking its tomorrow
Oh yeah
Don't think I'll be able to see the game but after sitting in the rain and watching the misery ensue at OT last week I'll be glad of the break.
If we beat Stoke and draw Chelsea, he won't be sacked.
Hasn't VG sent janazaj and Wilson on loan? So for people thinking he may have kept pogba, he may have sold or loaned him anyway
Hindsight is always 20/20
They should get Kay Burley from Sky,I'm sure she would
Wilson's and Pogba's difference in playing ability is as big as Van Gaal's and SAF's difference in managerial ability.
I wonder would people still give him the boot if Mourinho and Pep weren't available or would we tough it out another season ?
We're on a downward trajectory under Van Gaal. I'd still sack him, even if it meant taking a shot on a more up-and-coming manager.
lol.
This idea that all we need to do is get our squad's average age down to below 25 is just simplistic nonsense. You have to bring in players suitable for the team's system and style which is a lot more complicated than what it seems LVG has been doing. And even still, to paint Van Gaal's transfer management as 'youth centered' is also inaccurate. It's him that bought Schweinsteiger to be his first choice midfielder and chose Rooney to be his main striker and captain and the likes of Schneiderlin/Herrera/Darmian are par for the course signings in the middle of their careers.
And he has chosen most of these youngsters from within the club this season is due to injuries to his first choice players, not because he has some grand plan to integrate them. Why were our two most promising youngsters loaned out then? Wilson would certainly provide good cover and Januzaj would probably get a chance with the rubbish form of our attackers. Certain posters can keep trying to paint LVG's critics as knee jerk and results focused but most of these criticisms have been there for months and the concern over our performances have been there for most of his tenure. But hey, keep convincing yourself that we're all just a bunch of glory hunters hating on poor Louis, certainly easier than actually trying to defend the tripe he's delivered this season.
And he has chosen most of these youngsters from within the club this season is due to injuries to his first choice players, not because he has some grand plan to integrate them. Why were our two most promising youngsters loaned out then? Wilson would certainly provide good cover and Januzaj would probably get a chance with the rubbish form of our attackers. Certain posters can keep trying to paint LVG's critics as knee jerk and results focused but most of these criticisms have been there for months and the concern over our performances have been there for most of his tenure. But hey, keep convincing yourself that we're all just a bunch of glory hunters hating on poor Louis, certainly easier than actually trying to defend the tripe he's delivered this season.
That's such an illogical idea. Do you think we planned to use the same core 18 in every game this season? They knew full well they'd be making use of a lot of youth players.
Stoichkov: "Come on United"
Barcelona icon Hristo Stoichkov has reopened his feud with Louis van Gaal after mocking the Manchester United manager following the Premier League giants' early elimination from the Champions League. The Dutch boss failed to lead his side to the last 16 of the competition after a dramatic 3-2 defeat at Wolfsburg on Tuesday night (8 December).
The 1994 Ballon d'Or winner Stoichkov claimed in March that van Gaal was "scum" after they enjoyed a problematic relationship during their time together at the Camp Nou. The Bulgarian icon scored 162 goals in 336 appearances for the Catalan giants during two different spells but was forced to leave the team in 1998 after falling out with the current United boss.
Stoichkov took advantage of United's elimination from the Champions League group stage to send a message to his former boss in his Twitter account.
"Everyone (is) in the place (he deserves)! Come on Manchester United," Stoichkov wrote on his Twitter account, attached to a picture of Van Gaal.
Earlier this campaign Stoichkov warned Pedro Rodriguez against moving to Old Trafford after claiming that the Dutch boss was destroying United as he previously did with Barcelona, while criticising his style during the Premier League win over Tottenham in August.
"I'd never be under the orders of this Dutchman. If he goes there he would no longer be a footballer. He is destroying all the players, because it is so mediocre, notice players who have he left because of him," the Bulgarian international said during an interview with Onda Cero. "He destroyed Barcelona at that time. He is one to destroy good work that takes years to build."
"It turns out that £200m was spent and the other day I saw his first game in the English League [against Spurs]. They won 1-0 with a disastrous own-goal and he is happy. Mind you, he has to have a short little memory."
Van Gaal, who won the La Liga twice at Barcelona along with the Copa del Rey and the Uefa Super Cup, later responded by saying: "I always want to consider who is saying such things and I already know why."
"It is not bothering me. As a manager, I have to decide a lot of things. He is one of the players I sent away and that is why he is doing that," Van Gaal said, as quoted by the Daily Mail. "They can comment but it is not always the truth what they are saying. That is always so in this world, especially in the football world. I'm used to that."
Barcelona icon Hristo Stoichkov has reopened his feud with Louis van Gaal after mocking the Manchester United manager following the Premier League giants' early elimination from the Champions League. The Dutch boss failed to lead his side to the last 16 of the competition after a dramatic 3-2 defeat at Wolfsburg on Tuesday night (8 December).
The 1994 Ballon d'Or winner Stoichkov claimed in March that van Gaal was "scum" after they enjoyed a problematic relationship during their time together at the Camp Nou. The Bulgarian icon scored 162 goals in 336 appearances for the Catalan giants during two different spells but was forced to leave the team in 1998 after falling out with the current United boss.
Stoichkov took advantage of United's elimination from the Champions League group stage to send a message to his former boss in his Twitter account.
"Everyone (is) in the place (he deserves)! Come on Manchester United," Stoichkov wrote on his Twitter account, attached to a picture of Van Gaal.
Earlier this campaign Stoichkov warned Pedro Rodriguez against moving to Old Trafford after claiming that the Dutch boss was destroying United as he previously did with Barcelona, while criticising his style during the Premier League win over Tottenham in August.
"I'd never be under the orders of this Dutchman. If he goes there he would no longer be a footballer. He is destroying all the players, because it is so mediocre, notice players who have he left because of him," the Bulgarian international said during an interview with Onda Cero. "He destroyed Barcelona at that time. He is one to destroy good work that takes years to build."
"It turns out that £200m was spent and the other day I saw his first game in the English League [against Spurs]. They won 1-0 with a disastrous own-goal and he is happy. Mind you, he has to have a short little memory."
Van Gaal, who won the La Liga twice at Barcelona along with the Copa del Rey and the Uefa Super Cup, later responded by saying: "I always want to consider who is saying such things and I already know why."
"It is not bothering me. As a manager, I have to decide a lot of things. He is one of the players I sent away and that is why he is doing that," Van Gaal said, as quoted by the Daily Mail. "They can comment but it is not always the truth what they are saying. That is always so in this world, especially in the football world. I'm used to that."
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