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God I hope we keep him at this stage. Standing up to the press like that takes balls and someone who can take the heat like this is exactly who United need IMO.

Wish the fans would get behind him. Hopefully the players start brightly against Stoke.
 
I had a horrible dream that Martial is injured, LvG didn't mention it in press conference and on finding out fans went totally apeshit. ffs :nervous:
 
nick2004 said:
But he didn't! He had a monologue and then he walked out!
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I think he handled this press conference very professionally. He didn't let the media bully him, he could have tore them a new arsehole. They deserved that for the reports in the past few days. Instead, he kept his cool, told them that he has the backing of David Gill, SAF and Woodward, told the media how them printing so much drivel can affect said people's personal life, wished them a merry Christmas, told them where the wine was, and left. Shielding the players, keeping his calm. I like this guy.
 
Reapersoul20 said:
I think he handled this press conference very professionally. He didn't let the media bully him, he could have tore them a new arsehole. They deserved that for the reports in the past few days. Instead, he kept his cool, told them that he has the backing of David Gill, SAF and Woodward, told the media how them printing so much drivel can affect said people's personal life, wished them a merry Christmas, told them where the wine was, and left. Shielding the players, keeping his calm. I like this guy.
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You probably missed his press conference last Saturday. Here you go:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/35143053

Asked if he feared for his position, van Gaal said: "Yes of course I am worried about that because I know that belief in a manager is very important."

The Dutchman, 64, could not give a definite answer when asked if he will be given time to turn the situation around at Old Trafford.

"Yes I think so but I never know, in this world, you never know. It is not up to me, but we shall see," he added.
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Reapersoul20 said:
I don't see anything wrong with that. Press is printing a load of stuff about him, it makes him worried. He's not a robot.
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But today he is angry because the press speculates about his departure?

And on Saturday, he himself speculated about his departure?

And you still think that "he handled this press conference very professionally"?
 
Zarlak said:
Slipping from 3rd to 5th is not slipping down the table ffs. If we were 10th then yes, we would be slipping down the table. Have some perspective. Finishing 7th under Moyes was slipping down the table. We're one win away from being back up to third. The lack of perspective in here is embarrassing, it feels like RAWK. Noone denies we're playing shit, but stop exaggerating everything to 10x the magnitude it actually is.
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Lack of perspective? Four weeks ago we were talking about challenging for the title, we were set to qualify into the next round of the CL and whilst the football was piss poor we at least had the 'results' to fall back on. It's not like we have suddenly lost a few matches during a tough run of games either. We haven't just fell from third to fifth but have done so playing absolute dross, the form of all our forwards worryingly terrible and we don't look anywhere close to arresting the slide. What's the point of waiting until we are tenth when the signs are clearly showing that the manager has lost it and his continued stay will only cause further damage to this season's prospects?
 
nick2004 said:
But today he is angry because the press speculates about his departure?

And on Saturday, he himself speculated about his departure?

And you still think that "he handled this press conference very professionally"?
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There is a difference between press printing "With so many games without win and boring football, can LvG manage to keep his job?" and "Gone!! LvG sacked. Mourinho comes in after Mendes meets Man Utd board. Sneijder is the top target for Mourinho. LvG was seen packing his bags."

He didnt have a problem till it was former. He has a problem when it is the latter. I think that was fair enough.
 
Reapersoul20 said:
I think he handled this press conference very professionally. He didn't let the media bully him, he could have tore them a new arsehole. They deserved that for the reports in the past few days. Instead, he kept his cool, told them that he has the backing of David Gill, SAF and Woodward, told the media how them printing so much drivel can affect said people's personal life, wished them a merry Christmas, told them where the wine was, and left. Shielding the players, keeping his calm. I like this guy.
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Lots of people like him. I don't, but that's not the point. Let's see if he can turn this around - if the team loses at Stoke and Chelski he needs to deservedly get canned. The situation is as simple as that now.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
There is a difference between press printing "With so many games without win and boring football, can LvG manage to keep his job?" and "Gone!! LvG sacked. Mourinho comes in after Mendes meets Man Utd board. Sneijder is the top target for Mourinho. LvG was seen packing his bags."

He didnt have a problem till it was former. He has a problem when it is the latter. I think that was fair enough.
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Yup, this. Press are not speculating that his job is in danger, they were saying that he is gone already.
I think LvG got other indications from Woodward, SAF etc(assurances) and hence he is more pissed because that means to him that it is all media driven.
 
why does he care so much what the press say? If i was a premiership manager (other than Moyes) i'd completely ignore them.

He should focus on the coming games and getting us out of this slump. Now for rest of the season, you can be sure they will be on his back.
 
K2K said:
why does he care so much what the press say? If i was a premiership manager (other than Moyes) i'd completely ignore them.

He should focus on the coming games and getting us out of this slump. Now for rest of the season, you can be sure they will be on his back.
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Yeah I am inclined to go with this.

Also a big issue for me is I didn't see LVG complaining at the end of last year or even a month ago about the press when they were singing his praises. So for me if you have a job like this you need to expect to have to deal with the press favorably and unfavorably. Sorry I see nothing amazing about his walking out.

Pellegrini is handling Pep questions all day long with far more grace and poise.
 
K2K said:
why does he care so much what the press say? If i was a premiership manager (other than Moyes) i'd completely ignore them.

He should focus on the coming games and getting us out of this slump. Now for rest of the season, you can be sure they will be on his back.
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He can ignore them but it does affect his family a bit. Can't say the speculation doesn't affect his family.
 
K2K said:
why does he care so much what the press say? If i was a premiership manager (other than Moyes) i'd completely ignore them.

He should focus on the coming games and getting us out of this slump. Now for rest of the season, you can be sure they will be on his back.
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How close is this to the Barca meltdown? Didn't he say something about the press after he was sacked there?
 
Van Gaal is destroying this club and needs to go regardless of results in the next couple of games.

Playing the victim doesn't deflect attention from the shambles he's created.
 
newgiz said:
He can ignore them but it does affect his family a bit. Can't say the speculation doesn't affect his family.
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For fear of sounding like the big bad wolf, so what? It come with the territory, plus it's hardly like they are going to be too upset about it, all it takes is a quick chat with LvG to find out what's going on, then they can all just get on with their lives.

LvG is just doing his best to play the sypathy card and deflect attention, and tbf in some people's eyes he's done a good job at it.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
For fear of sounding like the big bad wolf, so what? It come with the territory, plus it's hardly like they are going to be too upset about it, all it takes is a quick chat with LvG to find out what's going on, then they can all just get on with their lives.

LvG is just doing his best to play the sypathy card and deflect attention, and tbf in some people's eyes he's done a good job at it.
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I find this odd from a bloke like Van Gaal who takes no prisoners. He, more than anyone will understand it's just business. Just like moving on players you don't want.

All of this is painful to watch. I can't recall a manager in such a seemingly bad situation ever turning it around.

The reality is two top class managers in Guardiola and Mourinho are now unexpectedly available. I suspect given what Van Gaal has served up so far the club will not pass on this opportunity and sooner or later will pull the trigger.

Unless he can suddenly get the players onside and start producing results and football decent enough to satisfy the fans then he's just marking off time.

Even If by some miracle he can turn it around I can't see the club passing on a top manager to keep him on for another year.

My opinion - they're holding off to see if the can convince Pep to turn down City. If not then Mourinho gets the job sooner rather than later.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
For fear of sounding like the big bad wolf, so what? It come with the territory, plus it's hardly like they are going to be too upset about it, all it takes is a quick chat with LvG to find out what's going on, then they can all just get on with their lives.

LvG is just doing his best to play the sypathy card and deflect attention, and tbf in some people's eyes he's done a good job at it.
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LvG is a proud man. Don't you think he would be embarrassed if someone from his family calls him up and asks if he's losing his job? Its quite easy to think it doesn't affect him or his family but in reality it always does.
 
bleedred said:
Few weeks back, it was still in "contention for title" and now its top 4. How the goal posts have moved within weeks.
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Bit of a silly goal to be honest given the short time since finishing 7th, getting back into the CL and having to rehaul most of our squad with injuries to our best players this season. But some people will always expect the unrealistic I guess that despite all of that we will still challenge for 1st. LVG was always referred to as a stabilising manager. 4 weeks ago we were bemoaning Rooney's terrible form and how we were suffering in attack so whoever was talking about being in contention for the title should have their head checked.
 
newgiz said:
LvG is a proud man. Don't you think he would be embarrassed if someone from his family calls him up and asks if he's losing his job? Its quite easy to think it doesn't affect him or his family but in reality it always does.
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But it won't be the first job he's been sacked from. I thought he'd be used to it by now.
 
newgiz said:
LvG is a proud man. Don't you think he would be embarrassed if someone from his family calls him up and asks if he's losing his job? Its quite easy to think it doesn't affect him or his family but in reality it always does.
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Again so what, he is on £6 million per year and is not doing a very good job, he knew what he was taking on and has enough experience to know if you do this badly the press will be right in you, no one can pussy foot around it just because it might upset him or some of his family, all it's doing is hurting his ego and creating uncertainty for his family, nothing more.

The best thing LvG can do is get the team playing the sort of football that will take the heat off him, or walk away.
 
Rob Bowman said:
Yeah I am inclined to go with this.

Also a big issue for me is I didn't see LVG complaining at the end of last year or even a month ago about the press when they were singing his praises. So for me if you have a job like this you need to expect to have to deal with the press favorably and unfavorably. Sorry I see nothing amazing about his walking out.

Pellegrini is handling Pep questions all day long with far more grace and poise.
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Yes, the English press are notoriously difficult .

But I really dont think they overstepped the marked (i'm talking mostly about the reputable papers , not the express, mirror et al)

Once he shows them this side of him, they'll just continue poking to get him to react. I'd give them nothing
 
LazyRed-Ninja said:
There is just a complete misunderstanding between LVG and the media. LVG argues about how he had to read in the media that he was sacked and the media argues their case about the current state of affairs with the headlines mentioned in the Sun back page. Those headlines are basically facts, because we have not won in six games, we are out of the CL and we have spend some coins. It all started with the Sinclair tweet if i am not mistaken and instead of apologizing he just quickly brushed it off as a 'left my phone behind' argument. I dont think any journalist who was attending the conference today tweeted that LVG was sacked ? So, they do have a case in stating that they dont need to apologize given the fact that those who attended the conference had nothing to do with the Sinclair tweet that basically snowballed into massive speculation.
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It's articles like this that makes LVG angry http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ging-closer-to-the-Manchester-United-axe.html

LVG was right, they should apologize. He doesn't have any issues with them criticizing his result. He knew that will come but that article is completely false. The is a gulf difference between criticism and false print.
 
newgiz said:
He can ignore them but it does affect his family a bit. Can't say the speculation doesn't affect his family.
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It comes with the territory though. The family of famous people usually suffer through the press (not just in football).

It might seem but a dramatic step, but ignoring the press can do a world of good.

At least that's what I'd do. They wont stop just because he said that. What they want is a story.
 
Sereques said:
It's articles like this that makes LVG angry http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ging-closer-to-the-Manchester-United-axe.html

LVG was right, they should apologize. He doesn't have any issues with them criticizing his result. He knew that will come but that article is completely false. The is a gulf difference between criticism and false print.
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Is he living in cloud-cuckoo land? Does he not think himself he's close to being sacked for goodness' sake? Playing the victim doesn't cut it - he's presiding over a shambles of a team, created by him.
 
Rednotdead said:
Is he living in cloud-cuckoo land? Does he not think himself he's close to being sacked for goodness' sake? Playing the victim doesn't cut it - he's presiding over a shambles of a team, created by him.
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That is not the point. The report is completely false. The meeting in London was not about LVG, no high level meetings about him. Why do you struggle to understand this?
 
Insanity said:
How close is this to the Barca meltdown? Didn't he say something about the press after he was sacked there?
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He did, he congratulated them on getting their wish for him to go after the heavy criticism he had endured during the season. I'd say that he lost it more there simply because it was a resignation speech, he didnt care anymore.

For me, Van Gaal takes too much of the criticism to heart. He's lucky he was never England manager, that is a lion's den.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Again so what, he is on £6 million per year and is not doing a very good job, he knew what he was taking on and has enough experience to know if you do this badly the press will be right in you, no one can pussy foot around it just because it might upset him or some of his family, all it's doing is hurting his ego and creating uncertainty for his family, nothing more.

The best thing LvG can do is get the team playing the sort of football that will take the heat off him, or walk away.
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So getting that money turn you into an cold fish. He is human, money doesn't change that.
 
Sereques said:
That is not the point. The report is completely false. The meeting in London was not about LVG, no high level meetings about him. Why do you struggle to understand this?
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I don't "struggle to understand this". So what if it was a false report - maybe the reporter was fed false information by a source within the club who wants Van Gaal out - who knows?

Let's not get distracted from his shortcomings by him playing the victim.
 
Rednotdead said:
I don't "struggle to understand this". So what if it was a false report - maybe the reporter was fed false information by a source within the club who wants Van Gaal out - who knows?

Let's not get distracted from his shortcomings by him playing the victim.
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All he asked was for them to take responsibility for printing a false claim. Shortcomings is not an excuse to lie.
 
I don't really understand the people who weren't backing him before but now following the press conference want to give him another chance.

He is getting paid a shit-load of money to carry the responsibility and pressures of managing Manchester United. As a manager regardless of club you always know you are graded against your results and football. He has been pretty poor at both, spent loads of money and seemingly is rigid and won't adapt his style.

I have zero sympathy for him, he new what he signed up for and ultimately, although the media may often be harsh I honestly believe they don't just make things up and have been brefied from somewhere.

Time will tell but my response remains the same, LVG out.
 
I dont know why people have an issue with what LvG did yesterday, while they are perfectly fine with media talking any kind of nonsense day in and day out about him and the team.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
So getting that money turn you into an cold fish. He is human, money doesn't change that.
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Oh leave it out, this is a hardend football manager we are talking about, he has been sacked a few times before and faced all sorts of criticism, he is well used to it, it's not like any of the papers are getting personal they are merely saying he could lose his job because he is failing, so what? take it like a man and make them eat their words by getting the team playing better.

LvG is just playing games and trying to get the sympathy vote imo, deep down he couldn't care less what the papers say, he's said enough times he never reads them anyway. It's all a bit boring really just get the team playing better that's all we want.
 
I think that anonymous briefing, by Woodward, about LvG being a genius and having everyone's support including the fans (the no phonecalls/emails thing) has killed him. The fans were infuriated by it, the press seem to want to test it to destruction and I suspect the players who were hoping for changes (not necessarily a new manager immediately) weren't too impressed either.

A couple of weeks later, out of the CL, out of the top four, the vultures are circling. It's almost as if Woodward and the board have left the decision to the fans and the players. I think it ends with LvG going - the only question is whether it's in 2015 or 2016.
 
I don't think a lot of fans comes to gasp what LVG was upset about. Hope this explains it.

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...nts-apology-for-false-man-utd-sacking-reports

LVG wants apology for 'false' Man Utd sacking reports
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Last Updated: 23/12/15 4:46pm

Louis van Gaal's Manchester United news conference lasted only six minutes after LVG walked out over speculation about his job
Louis van Gaal asked for an apology as he accused the press of publishing false reports on his Manchester United future.

Van Gaal arrived for his weekly news conference and accused the assembled media of prematurely writing his Old Trafford obituary in the wake of three straight defeats and the sudden availability of Jose Mourinho.

The United manager made it clear he had shown up only because Premier League rules demanded it, ending five minutes of tense exchanges with a sarcastic: "Merry Christmas. Enjoy the wine and a mince pie. Goodbye."

And amid the recriminations there was a revelation that he had received phone calls from chief executive Ed Woodward, predecessor David Gill and even Sir Alex Ferguson over newspaper reports suggesting they were meeting to discuss his future.



He said: "You have to stick by the facts, and when I get calls from Ed Woodward, Sir Alex Ferguson and David Gill, because you are creating something that is not good, that is not the facts, and now I have to answer questions. I don't think I want to do it."


Van Gaal was asked initially for a reaction to comments from Arsene Wenger, who earlier in the day called speculation over the Dutchman's future "disrespectful".

He said: "Has anybody in this room not a feeling to apologise to me? That's what I am wondering. I think I was already sacked, I have read. Or have been sacked. Or that my colleague [Jose Mourinho] was here already.
"What do you think that happens with my wife or with my kids? Or with my grandchildren? Or with the fans of Manchester United? Or with my friends? What do you think? They have called me, a lot of times, and also Arsene Wenger is saying something about that.

"Do you think I want to talk with the media now? I am here only because of the Premier League rules. I have to talk with you. But I can only see that when I talk to you that you put it in your context."

United's run of six games without a win has left them out of the Champions League and nine points off the pace in the Premier League going into the Boxing Day game against Stoke.

Van Gaal said: "We are not in a good position, but four weeks ago we were in first place and in about four weeks we can again be in that position again."
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Sereques said:
I don't think a lot of fans comes to gasp what LVG was upset about. Hope this explains it.

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...nts-apology-for-false-man-utd-sacking-reports
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If he truly is been backed then the club should have come out and quashed all these rumours, instead they seemed to almost fan the flames.
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The press live off speculation like this and everyone knows, he just needs to brush it off, which tbh he probably has, yet choose to take a different approach to them yesterday, probably to gee the fans squad up a bit.
 
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