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itso 7 said:
Doing a Liverpool does not start and end with just missing out on the CL - in my view it's a sustained decline so steep that before you know it qualifying for the CL or fluking the occasional major trophy is the only form of success the team will enjoy. Even if we finish fourth this season it will mean that rather than improve we have plateaued during this rebuild. If we handle the post Van Gaal change we are pretty much done as a football powerhouse, that's what doing a Liverpool means.
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Which means we are not doing a Liverpool. Hence, exaggeration.

People exaggerate about United all the time, it's ridiculous. Yes we're playing badly. No we're not about to drop to 7th and go 25 years without winning the league to the point where we fondly reminisce about the times we used to be successful. There's no need to be hysterical.

#07 said:
The club for nearly three decades was marked by ruthlessness, Fergie jettisoned anyone who was holding us back even Keano. Now we're becoming hopeless romantics, naval gazing while even the likes of Arsenal are making progress.
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All through the years of managers being jettisoned immediately - Chelsea, Newcastle, Real Madrid, we laughed at them all like we were better. Laughed at them for not giving anyone time and sacking them just because they had a poor season. Laughing at how much better we are because we give our managers time to build and then when push comes to shove we want to get rid immediately for the next big name that will satisfy us. Such as Klopp, which is laughable. Did great with an amazing team then did shite without one, went to Liverpool and is still doing badly and still people romanticize him as the best manager ever. We spent decades lauding about how great and different we are and now all of a sudden because we're not winning the league we're quick to want to be like everyone else for that instant success and bring in that next big name we think will change us. The 'hopeless romantic, naval gazing' used to be called 'common sense' where as what used to be called 'ridiculous stupid management of a football club with a revolving door policy' is now apparently 'making progress.' It's amusing how we change our priorities and moralities when it's our turn to be affected.
 
Zarlak said:
Which means we are not doing a Liverpool. Hence, exaggeration.

People exaggerate about United all the time, it's ridiculous. Yes we're playing badly. No we're not about to drop to 7th and go 25 years without winning the league to the point where we fondly reminisce about the times we used to be successful. There's no need to be hysterical.



All through the years of managers being jettisoned immediately - Chelsea, Newcastle, Real Madrid, we laughed at them all like we were better. Laughed at them for not giving anyone time and sacking them just because they had a poor season. Laughing at how much better we are because we give our managers time to build and then when push comes to shove we want to get rid immediately for the next big name that will satisfy us. Such as Klopp, which is laughable. Did great with an amazing team then did shite without one, went to Liverpool and is still doing badly and still people romanticize him as the best manager ever. We spent decades lauding about how great and different we are and now all of a sudden because we're not winning the league we're quick to want to be like everyone else for that instant success and bring in that next big name we think will change us. The 'hopeless romantic, naval gazing' used to be called 'common sense' where as what used to be called 'ridiculous stupid management of a football club with a revolving door policy' is now apparently 'making progress.' It's amusing how we change our priorities and moralities when it's our turn to be affected.
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It was common sense when you lost the league by a point, or on goal difference, or because your team had ridiculous injuries in the run in.

We laughed when Chelsea fired a double winner for not getting to the last eight in Europe. Or when Madrid fired European Cup winners for finishing second. Nobody thought finishing seventh, or not winning in half a dozen games, was excusable.

Do you realise how RAWK like you sound? Let's hold onto Louis cos we are different? What, even if we continue to get beaten by bottom feeders? Tell Big Ron we're different, or Sexton or the Doc. If we are so different why did we even hire Van Gaal? We should've just given Moyes more time.
 
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It was common sense when you lost the league by a point, or on goal difference, or because your team had ridiculous injuries in the run in.

We laughed when Chelsea fired a double winner for not getting to the last eight in Europe. Or when Madrid fired European Cup winners for finishing second. Nobody thought finishing seventh, or not winning in half a dozen games, was excusable.

Do you realise how RAWK like you sound? Let's hold onto Louis cos we are different? What, even if we continue to get beaten by bottom feeders? Tell Big Ron we're different, or Sexton or the Doc. If we are so different why did we even hire Van Gaal? We should've just given Moyes more time.
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No, RAWK are the hysterical ones and always have been. The ones who would sack a manager the year after he brought your club back to where they belong after the previous manager destroyed it because you're not immediately challenging for the league. Missing out on the league by a point or by goal difference is unfortunate and is not normal so no that wouldn't be common sense.

If we 'continue to get eaten by bottom feeders' then we will finish mid table and it will be a different scenario. But that isn't happening, so let's not pretend that it is.
 
Zarlak said:
Which means we are not doing a Liverpool. Hence, exaggeration.

People exaggerate about United all the time, it's ridiculous. Yes we're playing badly. No we're not about to drop to 7th and go 25 years without winning the league to the point where we fondly reminisce about the times we used to be successful. There's no need to be hysterical.



All through the years of managers being jettisoned immediately - Chelsea, Newcastle, Real Madrid, we laughed at them all like we were better. Laughed at them for not giving anyone time and sacking them just because they had a poor season. Laughing at how much better we are because we give our managers time to build and then when push comes to shove we want to get rid immediately for the next big name that will satisfy us. Such as Klopp, which is laughable. Did great with an amazing team then did shite without one, went to Liverpool and is still doing badly and still people romanticize him as the best manager ever. We spent decades lauding about how great and different we are and now all of a sudden because we're not winning the league we're quick to want to be like everyone else for that instant success and bring in that next big name we think will change us. The 'hopeless romantic, naval gazing' used to be called 'common sense' where as what used to be called 'ridiculous stupid management of a football club with a revolving door policy' is now apparently 'making progress.' It's amusing how we change our priorities and moralities when it's our turn to be affected.
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Well said. I still have some confidence that the club will make the right call with LVG whichever way it eventually turns out. As stupid as some would make out the board and Woodward to be I can't see them betraying the 'common sense' values you refer to.
 
Zarlak said:
Which means we are not doing a Liverpool. Hence, exaggeration.

People exaggerate about United all the time, it's ridiculous. Yes we're playing badly. No we're not about to drop to 7th and go 25 years without winning the league to the point where we fondly reminisce about the times we used to be successful. There's no need to be hysterical.



All through the years of managers being jettisoned immediately - Chelsea, Newcastle, Real Madrid, we laughed at them all like we were better. Laughed at them for not giving anyone time and sacking them just because they had a poor season. Laughing at how much better we are because we give our managers time to build and then when push comes to shove we want to get rid immediately for the next big name that will satisfy us. Such as Klopp, which is laughable. Did great with an amazing team then did shite without one, went to Liverpool and is still doing badly and still people romanticize him as the best manager ever. We spent decades lauding about how great and different we are and now all of a sudden because we're not winning the league we're quick to want to be like everyone else for that instant success and bring in that next big name we think will change us. The 'hopeless romantic, naval gazing' used to be called 'common sense' where as what used to be called 'ridiculous stupid management of a football club with a revolving door policy' is now apparently 'making progress.' It's amusing how we change our priorities and moralities when it's our turn to be affected.
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I'm sure in the early nineties Liverpool fans would have laughed if anyone had told them they were at the early stages of a sustained decline. The fact is we are slipping down the table and he has failed to arrest that decline but you want us to wait until all is lost for this season for to to act just so that we can confirm we are different to other clubs? Do you forget that we have the highest wage bill in the land or that we have spent loads of money only to end up with a side that can't even beat PSV?
 
Zarlak said:
No, RAWK are the hysterical ones and always have been. The ones who would sack a manager the year after he brought your club back to where they belong after the previous manager destroyed it because you're not immediately challenging for the league. Missing out on the league by a point or by goal difference is unfortunate and is not normal so no that wouldn't be common sense.

If we 'continue to get eaten by bottom feeders' then we will finish mid table and it will be a different scenario. But that isn't happening, so let's not pretend that it is.
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Fourth place? Jesus Christ...
 
Zarlak said:
Which means we are not doing a Liverpool. Hence, exaggeration.

People exaggerate about United all the time, it's ridiculous. Yes we're playing badly. No we're not about to drop to 7th and go 25 years without winning the league to the point where we fondly reminisce about the times we used to be successful. There's no need to be hysterical.



All through the years of managers being jettisoned immediately - Chelsea, Newcastle, Real Madrid, we laughed at them all like we were better. Laughed at them for not giving anyone time and sacking them just because they had a poor season. Laughing at how much better we are because we give our managers time to build and then when push comes to shove we want to get rid immediately for the next big name that will satisfy us. Such as Klopp, which is laughable. Did great with an amazing team then did shite without one, went to Liverpool and is still doing badly and still people romanticize him as the best manager ever. We spent decades lauding about how great and different we are and now all of a sudden because we're not winning the league we're quick to want to be like everyone else for that instant success and bring in that next big name we think will change us. The 'hopeless romantic, naval gazing' used to be called 'common sense' where as what used to be called 'ridiculous stupid management of a football club with a revolving door policy' is now apparently 'making progress.' It's amusing how we change our priorities and moralities when it's our turn to be affected.
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Top post.

Thank God somebody else thinks like me and likes Abit of romance and old traditional values.

We may be few in numbers but we will not be silenced!
 
Americano said:
What if we win the next two games despite the manager, through own goals or dumb an incorrect penalty? All the while playing the same style of football giving Rooney a full 90. That doesn't change our trajectory or the outlook for the season. Our problems with the manager run deeper than a couple of results. We are paying for his continued arrogance and maverick approach with our season. Winning a couple of games does not guarantee we will improve or salvage the season.

I feel like the die is already cast. Our team is underperforming and our manager is routinely outcoached by "lesser" managers on smaller budgets with "inferior" tactics. Most of what actually works is soon discarded as players are moved around and kept on the bench.
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Dont worry, we will lose to Stoke and Chavs.
 
Sisyphus' Boulder said:
Good on LVG for walking out of the press conference. I'm no manc, but I think the way managers are often barraged with questions about their job position on national media is nothing short of disgraceful. He has to talk to the press, yes, but he doesn't have to answer their entitled, impertinent questions and put up with their defeatist, negative, tabloid bullshit if he doesn't want to. Fully behind him there. And good on Wenger for calling out the press on that. Lazy, parasitic, pathetic excuse for journalism.
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Agreed wholeheartedly. The ambulance chasers are a blight on almost every code of sport, how they are allowed to provoke Managers and coaches is disgraceful.
 
If we don't beat Stoke, so we lose or draw, do people think that will definitely be the end of van Gaal?

I personally don't buy the "he needs to win the next two games" guff. I think he will still be manager regardless.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Fourth place? Jesus Christ...
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Back in the champions league. It was our goal, incase you weren't around last year. Generally when a new manager takes over an ageing team that needs quite a bit of investment who dropped to 7th in the league, you don't usually aim to finish 1st. That's usually common sense. Back into the champions league was our objective.
 
Zarlak said:
All through the years of managers being jettisoned immediately - Chelsea, Newcastle, Real Madrid, we laughed at them all like we were better. Laughed at them for not giving anyone time and sacking them just because they had a poor season. Laughing at how much better we are because we give our managers time to build and then when push comes to shove we want to get rid immediately for the next big name that will satisfy us. Such as Klopp, which is laughable. Did great with an amazing team then did shite without one, went to Liverpool and is still doing badly and still people romanticize him as the best manager ever. We spent decades lauding about how great and different we are and now all of a sudden because we're not winning the league we're quick to want to be like everyone else for that instant success and bring in that next big name we think will change us. The 'hopeless romantic, naval gazing' used to be called 'common sense' where as what used to be called 'ridiculous stupid management of a football club with a revolving door policy' is now apparently 'making progress.' It's amusing how we change our priorities and moralities when it's our turn to be affected.
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Top response!
 
itso 7 said:
I'm sure in the early nineties Liverpool fans would have laughed if anyone had told them they were at the early stages of a sustained decline. The fact is we are slipping down the table and he has failed to arrest that decline but you want us to wait until all is lost for this season for to to act just so that we can confirm we are different to other clubs? Do you forget that we have the highest wage bill in the land or that we have spent loads of money only to end up with a side that can't even beat PSV?
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Slipping from 3rd to 5th is not slipping down the table ffs. If we were 10th then yes, we would be slipping down the table. Have some perspective. Finishing 7th under Moyes was slipping down the table. We're one win away from being back up to third. The lack of perspective in here is embarrassing, it feels like RAWK. Noone denies we're playing shit, but stop exaggerating everything to 10x the magnitude it actually is.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
If we don't beat Stoke, so we lose or draw, do people think that will definitely be the end of van Gaal?

I personally don't buy the "he needs to win the next two games" guff. I think he will still be manager regardless.
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If we lose to Stoke fecking City then he has to be gone, surely.

It would be crazy if he still had his job.
 
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Zarlak said:
Laughed at them for not giving anyone time and sacking them just because they had a poor season. Laughing at how much better we are because we give our managers time to build and then when push comes to shove we want to get rid immediately for the next big name that will satisfy us.
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Zarlak said:
The ones who would sack a manager the year after he brought your club back to where they belong after the previous manager destroyed it because you're not immediately challenging for the league.
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Is this not a contradiction? How did Moyes destroy us if Van Gaal didn't? We finished 6 points better off last season compared to 13/14 with marginally better performances and results with the same level of inconsistency. Why did we sack Moyes if we're giving this precious 'time' to Van Gaal? Didn't we get the 'next big name' with LVG by sacking Moyes?Seeing as we look set to have pretty much the same season this time round with no sense of progress or improvement why exactly should LVG be rewarded?

And as United fans we had the luxury to laugh at others because of us being led by the greatest manager of all time who won titles and cups at a ridiculous rate and never finished below 3rd in 20 years, a season where we finished 3rd and reached the FA Cup final is frequently called our worst in that period, ie. A dream season for us now. We weren't better, we just had an incredible manager who never let his standards or expectations slip. You won't find another manager or coach in sport who has done what Fergie did for two decades, so using his era as a reason for us to persist with Van Gaal is a cop out.

And this whole 'we can't sack managers cause we're different' is complete nonsense, the club has expectations and if a manager doesn't meet them they shouldn't be kept on, the era of dynasty managers like Fergie and Wenger is over and United are just like any other team looking to compete at the top level, Barca and Bayern change managers regularly but we don't point to them cause they're successful and don't form part of our narrative compared to Madrid and Chelsea.
 
Adisa said:
Too bad the writer doesn't exist.
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There is just a complete misunderstanding between LVG and the media. LVG argues about how he had to read in the media that he was sacked and the media argues their case about the current state of affairs with the headlines mentioned in the Sun back page. Those headlines are basically facts, because we have not won in six games, we are out of the CL and we have spend some coins. It all started with the Sinclair tweet if i am not mistaken and instead of apologizing he just quickly brushed it off as a 'left my phone behind' argument. I dont think any journalist who was attending the conference today tweeted that LVG was sacked ? So, they do have a case in stating that they dont need to apologize given the fact that those who attended the conference had nothing to do with the Sinclair tweet that basically snowballed into massive speculation.
 
Jesus The Sun have gone all out with that piece, almost certain if they aren't banned from Old Trafford already they will be after tomorrow.
 
pseudo_canadian said:
If we lose to Stoke fecking City then he has to be gone, surely.

It would be crazy if he still had his job.
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I don't see it. Even if we get beat 10-0 by Stoke, what are United going to do? Sack him and leave a caretaker to quickly get things together in a few hours to face Chelsea?

I wouldn't bet good money on him being here come 2016, but I can't see it happening if we lose vs Stoke like the media suggest
 
LazyRed-Ninja said:
There is just a complete misunderstanding between LVG and the media. LVG argues about how he had to read in the media that he was sacked and the media argues their case about the current state of affairs with the headlines mentioned in the Sun back page. Those headlines are basically facts, because we have not won in six games, we are out of the CL and we have spend some coins. It all started with the Sinclair tweet if i am not mistaken and instead of apologizing he just quickly brushed it off as a 'left my phone behind' argument. I dont think any journalist who was attending the conference today tweeted that LVG was sacked ? So, they do have a case in stating that they dont need to apologize given the fact that those who attended the conference had nothing to do with the Sinclair tweet that basically snowballed into massive speculation.
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Exactly, no mainstream media as such reported he was sacked. Just speculated largely which seems legit.

And if LVG is so upset then he should ask the club the issue a unqualified statement backing him and be upset there.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I don't see it. Even if we get beat 10-0 by Stoke, what are United going to do? Sack him and leave a caretaker to quickly get things together in a few hours to face Chelsea?

I wouldn't bet good money on him being here come 2016, but I can't see it happening if we lose vs Stoke like the media suggest
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Giggs would take over for Chelsea, with Mourinho coming in after.
 
FromTheBench said:
Exactly, no mainstream media as such reported he was sacked. Just speculated largely which seems legit.

And if LVG is so upset then he should ask the club the issue a unqualified statement backing him and be upset there.
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My point exactly. He asked for an apology, but from whom ? Those who attented the conference today did not tweet anything about LVG getting sacked. In my opinion he should have called the names out of those who said that got the sack and publically call them out and then continuing with the attending journo's. That would give a signal aswell to those who want to speculate in the future with the idea that they can get publically called out by a PL manager if they resort to lies.
 
Arytonblue said:
Is this not a contradiction? How did Moyes destroy us if Van Gaal didn't? We finished 6 points better off last season compared to 13/14 with marginally better performances and results with the same level of inconsistency. Why did we sack Moyes if we're giving this precious 'time' to Van Gaal? Didn't we get the 'next big name' with LVG by sacking Moyes?Seeing as we look set to have pretty much the same season this time round with no sense of progress or improvement why exactly should LVG be rewarded?

And as United fans we had the luxury to laugh at others because of us being led by the greatest manager of all time who won titles and cups at a ridiculous rate and never finished below 3rd in 20 years, a season where we finished 3rd and reached the FA Cup final is frequently called our worst in that period, ie. A dream season for us now. We weren't better, we just had an incredible manager who never let his standards or expectations slip. You won't find another manager or coach in sport who has done what Fergie did for two decades, so using his era as a reason for us to persist with Van Gaal is a cop out.

And this whole 'we can't sack managers cause we're different' is complete nonsense, the club has expectations and if a manager doesn't meet them they shouldn't be kept on, the era of dynasty managers like Fergie and Wenger is over and United are just like any other team looking to compete at the top level, Barca and Bayern change managers regularly but we don't point to them cause they're successful and don't form part of our narrative compared to Madrid and Chelsea.
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It's not a contradiction. Getting rid of our backroom staff before finishing 7th and out of the champions league is not the same as recovering from that and getting back into the champions league while fixing glaring issues that SAF himself ignored and then having a poor season afterwards where we're playing shite but still in contention for a CL place. It's nowhere near. If we finish outside of the CL again then and only then will it be comparable. You can't judge it halfway through a season.

The last 2 paragraphs is exactly what I'm talking about, it's amusing how we laugh at others when it's going our way and then change our tune when it's our time to be tested.
 
Zarlak said:
Back in the champions league. It was our goal, incase you weren't around last year. Generally when a new manager takes over an ageing team that needs quite a bit of investment who dropped to 7th in the league, you don't usually aim to finish 1st. That's usually common sense. Back into the champions league was our objective.
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He bought the aging Schweinsteiger when our midfield lacks pace. He sold Chica who is now one of the top goal scorers in Germany. He sold Nani, who is not old and slow and is now getting plenty of assists and a few goals for his new club. He got plenty of money to invest in the squad.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Agreed wholeheartedly. The ambulance chasers are a blight on almost every code of sport, how they are allowed to provoke Managers and coaches is disgraceful.
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One of the likable things about LVG is his view on the media, I enjoy watching him take offence to questions and snap back at them with this face:nono:

Storming out of the presser today shows the press that they're getting to him. He should be experienced enough to handle that pressure.
 
LazyRed-Ninja said:
Long term gain is just an assumption and one scenario within the realm of possibilities. Could go better, could go even worse. I just find it disturbing that there are fans who actually wish to lose in order to get a manager sacked.
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I see where you're coming from mate.
Dont blame me. I just want to enjoy watching our games. I dont think its.possible with Van Gaal.
 
If lvg was going to stay for as long 5/6/7 years for instance I could possibly understand sticking with him if he turned things round very quickly but he's not so I really don't understand why we could miss out on Jose (if pep goes to city) and it will all likely go to shit again IF he magically turned it round because who the hell would be available in 18 months, and ffs please don't say Giggs?
 
spwd said:
If lvg was going to stay for as long 5/6/7 years for instance I could possibly understand sticking with him if he turned things round very quickly but he's not so I really don't understand why we could miss out on Jose (if pep goes to city) and it will all likely go to shit again IF he magically turned it round because who the hell would be available in 18 months, and ffs please don't say Giggs?
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Jose is a menace. Its vital we do not let that man anywhere near our club.
 
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