Im really disappointed. I guess a monumental feck up is needed now to get rid of that clown.
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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The problem is we're basically waiting to fall further behind the top and make it that much harder for the next guy to make up the difference. Yeah, Mourinho can wait a week but get rid of LvG and just use Giggs as interim by then. Won't be worse, that's for sure.
Good on LVG for walking out of the press conference. I'm no manc, but I think the way managers are often barraged with questions about their job position on national media is nothing short of disgraceful. He has to talk to the press, yes, but he doesn't have to answer their entitled, impertinent questions and put up with their defeatist, negative, tabloid bullshit if he doesn't want to. Fully behind him there. And good on Wenger for calling out the press on that. Lazy, parasitic, pathetic excuse for journalism.
Me too, i am devastated. I dont feel sorry for him, just resign, he lost it, and our team too. We will get beaten by Stoke and he will still be there, all of them morons.
We're tied for points. The fact that other clubs can overtake us is irrelevant. That's true of every single club in the league. Crystal Palace can overtake City. Do you think they're shitting themselves? We're not in free fall at all. This notion is ridiculous. We were in free fall with Moyes, we literally fell to 7th. LVG brought us back to the top 4, and now this season we're playing shite. That's it, that's all there is to it. We're playing shite this season. That's it. That's the extent of the entire issue. The club isn't crumbling. The foundations haven't started to rot, we're just exaggerating about the extent of the issue because we're frustrated. Doing a Liverpool is falling to 7th and not playing in Europe for multiple seasons.
Also I didn't say you're interested in whether 2nd tier Euro clubs are eclipsing us, I was just replying directly to the exaggeration that I quoted which said that 2nd tier Euro clubs are eclipsing us.
It will be three years soon, because we aren't winning it this year, Facht.
You find our points to be exaggerated, whereas I just completely disagree with yours, so this obviously isn't going anywhere. I'm a realist though and after playing Bournemouth, Norwich, West Ham and Leicester in our last four games, in which we amassed a mighty two points from the lot, and being sat in fifth (which isn't top four last time I checked), It's looking pretty fecking grim at the minute. I won't even mention our brief CL appearance or the facht (it's great doing that, innit) we are probably the single most boring, uninspiringly tepid team in the league.
How is it irrelevant though, that's the point of the league table, where teams pass each other to get a higher position. If we keep dropping points and losing we will be finished 7th or around that position THIS season. And that is Liverpool territory.
Damn I thought I'd won the sweepstake.
That was the issue nearer the beginning of the season where we were playing crap but grinding out results. Now the issue is we're playing crap and losing. 3 losses on the bounce, 6 games without a win and something like 4 wins in 15 is it? Sorry but that's a massive issue which doesn't need exaggerating.
What more would it take for LvG to get the sack?
I reckon points dropped in 2 of the next 3 games would see him given the boot.
I reckon points dropped in 2 of the next 3 games would see him given the boot.
If you think not winning the league for a few years means we have to tell our children about the good old days when we used to be successful and somehow that's not an exaggeration then us having this conversation is pretty pointless.
If you're a realist you'll realise that not winning the league for a few years isn't that big a deal. It happened to Chelsea, they weren't rocking the corner crying about how things used to be. Yes, we're playing shite. That's an issue. No, we're not doing a Liverpool and no it doesn't mean we'll never be successful again.
I don't care what he says lose against Stoke and he's gone. They won't want to miss out on the top 4 again we will take no chances.
I could live with three years if it coincided with signs of progression, but it isn't doing. We have a manger who has myself (and many others by the sounds of it) bored to tears on a weekly basis. That might be bearable if we were doing as we did under SAF in his final season and winning/scoring despite playing poorly. Again though, we aren't. Instead, we spend endless amounts of money, bore the fans to tears, and look pretty clueless in general. Pep or Mourinho would probably both come and manage us willingly (be it now or the end of season) but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest for us to stick with van Gaal, or go with the plucky Ryan Giggs instead.
We are in danger of a steep decline, ala Liverpool, circa 1990. Not to say it will happen, but to dismiss the possibility as you have, seems a bit naive to me.
we were top of the league a few weeks ago, not sure how it couldn't be worse.
Chelsea are like 15th lol
It looks like he's got the full backing of the club then. I don't even expect us to get top four now. He may have got the boards backing, but he looks to have lost the players.
if we drag this out longer, sack van gaal when no one else is available then appoint giggs, we could very well be in for liverpoolization. (that's a word now)
fine. liverpoolisation.I can run with that. We'd have to get rid of that daft American 'z' though.
Nice. I'll quote you in 20 years so I can show my son what fans talked about before the full Liverpoolisation of United came to fruition.
He'll be gone by the new year
Not sure about the full backing. The club haven't come out with any comment despite the media frenzy. He's on thin ice for me, that much is apparent to me.
Let me assume... you hope for a bad result against Stoke.
What an exaggeration.
Do you remember the 90s? Nobody thought Liverpool were 'gone'. The Souness years of poor acquisitions and poor tactics were seen as a blip. Roy Evans was gonna go back to the boot room and put things right.
Every big buy from Collymore onwards was heralded as the one to get them back. In hindsight though they were just chasing names. Using image e.g. The white suited spice boys to compensate for decline.
Sound familiar?
I look at what United are doing now, what the club has done since Fergie, and it's clear we're making similar mistakes. Sticking with a manager from sentimentality, hoping he'll resign, isn't that what Liverpool did with Evans? It all seems so familiar.
The club for nearly three decades was marked by ruthlessness, Fergie jettisoned anyone who was holding us back even Keano. Now we're becoming hopeless romantics, naval gazing while even the likes of Arsenal are making progress.
"and maybe a Happy New Year"
Think that's an inadvertent indication of his own insecurity about his job.
I hope they're just backstabbing. And I mean that in a nice way.
Yep, I just checked Britannica:
Liverpoolisation (American: Liverpoolization):
As defined by former Liverpool educator Brendan Rodgers:
"When you’ve got the ball 65-70% of the time it’s a football death [for the other team].
We’re not at that stage yet but that’s what we will get to. It’s death by football. You just suck the life out of them [the fans].”
Adapted and improved to perfection by former Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal.
I'm not sure what planet some of you are in if you think today's press conference was some kind of reaffirmation that all the rumours aren't true. What were you expecting, him to appear with resignation letter in hand?
If anything, the way he handled the press conference simply confirmed for me that he's on his last legs and this 'support' is simply the board telling him what is required of him. It's in line with the original story, however daft, that he has 2 games to keep his job. He even says "maybe" see them in the New Year...
If anything, the way he handled the press conference simply confirmed for me that he's on his last legs and this 'support' is simply the board telling him what is required of him. It's in line with the original story, however daft, that he has 2 games to keep his job. He even says "maybe" see them in the New Year...
*And maybe also
It's an excellent word. And as we can see the liverpoolization process is already well under way as this forum turns more and more into theirs.
Jesus fecking Christ.
He's lost the plot.
He's lost the plot.
Yep. Lose to Stoke and he is out I'm quite convinced. 6 points buys him time. If he turns it around it would be extraordinary
Think he also said that Fergie and David Gill are behind him . Don't they see what we are seeing?
. Don't they see what we are seeing?The Arsenalization is already complete- most fans here are perfectly happy with a top four finish every year. Liverpoolization is the next step and it's well underway.
I still think he gets sacked after the Chelsea game and Mourinho is then appointed(unless we decided not to go for him).
Doing a Liverpool does not start and end with just missing out on the CL - in my view it's a sustained decline so steep that before you know it qualifying for the CL or fluking the occasional major trophy is the only form of success the team will enjoy. Even if we finish fourth this season it will mean that rather than improve we have plateaued during this rebuild. If we handle the post Van Gaal change we are pretty much done as a football powerhouse, that's what doing a Liverpool means.
I'd see how he gets on between now and the end of the season. If he turns our season around - not just results - but performances too, I wouldn't mind him seeing out his contract. If we continue to play the way we've been playing for most of the season, then I'd personally want him gone next season.
But this is how its been for 18 months give or take the odd decent performance , I just don't see how he's suddenly going to change, this is just what he does, take it or leave it.
For us to get top 4 it's going to take a special signing in January, or like last season for it to be handed to us (which is entirely possible), I'm not really one for wanting Mourinho and certainly not Giggs, but LvG has surely had a fair crack of the whip now, the way I could justify keeping him is if we can land Pep in the summer.
This.
Unbelievable how Man Utd have gone from wanting to win things to wanting to be close to runner up.
Soon the CAF will be flooded with posts saying next year is our year, and living off moral superiority as we slump to seventh.
What if we win the next two games despite the manager, through own goals or dumb an incorrect penalty? All the while playing the same style of football giving Rooney a full 90. That doesn't change our trajectory or the outlook for the season. Our problems with the manager run deeper than a couple of results. We are paying for his continued arrogance and maverick approach with our season. Winning a couple of games does not guarantee we will improve or salvage the season.
I feel like the die is already cast. Our team is underperforming and our manager is routinely outcoached by "lesser" managers on smaller budgets with "inferior" tactics. Most of what actually works is soon discarded as players are moved around and kept on the bench.
I feel like the die is already cast. Our team is underperforming and our manager is routinely outcoached by "lesser" managers on smaller budgets with "inferior" tactics. Most of what actually works is soon discarded as players are moved around and kept on the bench.
The Moyes' season has significantly lowered the club's expectations and it's sad to see.
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