I don't think anyone can claim he's doing a good job (for all or any of the reasons you mention). It was his job to sign players this summer and not stick with Wayne fecking Rooney as his main man, after all. But there's a case for him keeping his job for now, at the same time.
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I would wait till end of this season having said so i feel like had past his best.Its not the right thing to sack him in the middle of the season.
Why should someone keep their job if they're doing it terribly?
It is flawed in the sense that we put too much faith in our experienced players. Signing players like Memphis and Martial for big money and no other attackers is fine if we're prepared for a 04-06 type phase where we transition over a period of time. But our experienced players - Rooney, Mata, Fellaini, Young - are not good enough to supplement them, and keep us successful. If anything it's the younger ones that keep outshining the guys who are supposed to be relied on.
I didn't say he's doing terribly.
shite like this annoys me.
We must blame lvg for everything yet at the same time refuse to acknowledge any improvements made by player during his time here.
Agree. At least it's not reached that stage yet. We're still fighting for the title. If we genuinely start falling adrift in the league or look like doing so then maybe, but right now we're in the mix and with some improvement it's not impossible to see us win the damn thing (although I don't expect it). I don't think a manager should be sacked during a season when you can still win the league.
For me the problem is that we will not attract flair players to the club now that it is clear that we are going to play drab defensive football. While LvG has served his purpose, it was only ever meant to be a 3 year build after which a more adventurous style could resume. I'd be happy if that became 2 years this summer, if a better manager were available.
I am. Because he is.
And he also didn't want Bayern to buy Neuer.
LVG said during the summer transfer window that he preffered to work with smaller squad.
For me.it was an.evidence that he does not understand thia league, in EPL you need big squad.
Now with heaps of people injured he will be soon complaining about hectic scheudles and fatigue.
Guess what LVG...its your own fault.
I really want him out.
For me.it was an.evidence that he does not understand thia league, in EPL you need big squad.
Now with heaps of people injured he will be soon complaining about hectic scheudles and fatigue.
Guess what LVG...its your own fault.
I really want him out.
Nothing of the sort. We're Manchester United. Huge club, big money, and who BTW due to an attack not functioning gives chances to attacking players to come and become a mainstay and replace Rooney and co. Like Martial, who has taken it with both hands and been fantastic. If I was an attacker who wanted to go to the next level and was the right fit I'd love to move to United.
Unfortunatelly he is doing well enough to keep the job.
I think he also needed to be convinced about buying Robben in 2009.
Good for you, makes your "question" seem rather weird. Except he isn't.
Winning is one point and the other is i doesn't want the new manager to take from here now, in fact it would be difficult task to get the right manager for the job.
Good post. Fergie once said that possesion without penetration is nothing. Van Gaal obviously disagrees.
Then standards really have dropped for the supposed 'biggest club in the world'.
True. From "knocking them off their perch" to Top 4 trophy in 2 years.
Indeed. It's far better to come in during a summer with ample room to maneuver.
Ancelotti said he doesn't want to work mid-season anyway which is smart on his part. Pochettino isn't leaving Spurs right now either.
Really? I guess your waiting till after Christmas when we are out of the top 4 to call what he is doing a shitty job. Right?
Just wondering, who do you guys wanting him sacked now think we should replace him with?
We already have more points than this stage last season, so the "lucky November streak" doesn't need to be repeated (it's debatable it was achieved in September) and the rest is just conjecture.
None of which means I think he's doing a great job (I increasingly dont) but it's still just making shit up so the rants seem better. Like all the posters who gallantly pretend they much preferred getting spanked at home by City & Pool under Moyes, just to make their point more hysterical.
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Dont get me wrong, imo we should get rid at the end od the season. The fact that current leaders are averging 2 points per game is a telling context. Our 4th place is misleading a lot. He is doing shitty job and in a normal season we would be 6-7th. All that after an expensive squad overhaul and more.than a year.in charge.
I've had enough, I've lost patience. A club like United has standards and crashing in the group stage falls woefully short of these standards. I wouldn't sack him now but unless he wins the title, I would sack him at the end of the season. Anything short of winning the title would not justify keeping him for an additional season especially when two of the top five managers in club football will probably be available.
If we don't get top four then we don't get Pep. We have more chance of getting top four with LVG than with any other manager we could realistically get right now.
Top 4 trophy with the 3rd most expensively assembled squad in Europe. All while playing shit on a stick football, creating the same amount of chances per game as the likes of Villa and Sunderland, being unable to score goals with any sort of regularity, being knocked out of the League Cup by Middlesbrough, being knocked out of the CL groups stage...
But yeah, he's not doing terribly at all.
As i said in a different post....league abnormaility is saving him. I dont remeber a season where league leaders get 2 points per game on average. Normally you need at least 2.18 to finish 1st.
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For me i would sack him this morning. Give someone a month to work with what we have and then give them the chance to bring players to the club in January. Whether it be Giggs or Ancelotti.
It wont happen though but he has to go in summer. I would not trust him with our funds again.
I do say this begrudgingly though as although i am angry we went out last night i am glad we got to see some youth blooded in who performed well. Would a new manager have the faith in them? For me we have to stick with youth now in the Europa league and see how far they can go.
With Bastian likely to be out through suspension i would play Carrick and whoever from the reserves until Herrera and Morgan are back. Fellaini should not be allowed to put on a Utd shirt again.
Looks just like it did with Moyes and that we are going to be writing this season off.
We will struggle to Qualify for Europe through the league and we will not win the Europa even with our best 11 out (no one knows what that is - LVG certainly does not).
For me i would sack him this morning. Give someone a month to work with what we have and then give them the chance to bring players to the club in January. Whether it be Giggs or Ancelotti.
It wont happen though but he has to go in summer. I would not trust him with our funds again.
I do say this begrudgingly though as although i am angry we went out last night i am glad we got to see some youth blooded in who performed well. Would a new manager have the faith in them? For me we have to stick with youth now in the Europa league and see how far they can go.
With Bastian likely to be out through suspension i would play Carrick and whoever from the reserves until Herrera and Morgan are back. Fellaini should not be allowed to put on a Utd shirt again.
Looks just like it did with Moyes and that we are going to be writing this season off.
We will struggle to Qualify for Europe through the league and we will not win the Europa even with our best 11 out (no one knows what that is - LVG certainly does not).
Yep. He's basically getting away with doing a shit job because the other top teams just so happen to be doing a shit job too.
'The manager of this store is shit, but it's okay he can keep his job because the manager at that other store across the road is shit too!' Errrr okay.
How the heck do people find it acceptable to just hand the job to Giggs, a complete novice? You'd all be keyboard-assaulting the club 6 months later again.
The guy is clearly doing what SAF should have done and left behind a youthful energetic squad. He might not be the guy to get the best out of them but no one in the current managerial shortlist can do what he can do with youth.
If some of our players do turn out to be as good as the jobs he did with Muller xavi iniesta Alaba shweinsteuger etc we could be at the top for 10-15 years.
I bet people still would think that guardiola would have won the treble with an aging Vidic, Rio Evra , Rooney et al.
The guy needs a young energetic team and today showed that this young team can play like that. Reminiscent of kids being let loose on the playground today; injuries and all.
Oh well, managers like him don't really do it for the recognition. That's why he's sitting on his arse all day writing notes instead.
If some of our players do turn out to be as good as the jobs he did with Muller xavi iniesta Alaba shweinsteuger etc we could be at the top for 10-15 years.
I bet people still would think that guardiola would have won the treble with an aging Vidic, Rio Evra , Rooney et al.
The guy needs a young energetic team and today showed that this young team can play like that. Reminiscent of kids being let loose on the playground today; injuries and all.
Oh well, managers like him don't really do it for the recognition. That's why he's sitting on his arse all day writing notes instead.
We have one more point in the league than last season and are down one position. Already out of the league cup and embarrassed out of the CL last night.
Yup, Louie is doing a bang up job.
Yup, Louie is doing a bang up job.
I agree that many of our experienced players are not good enough. But Van Gaal has had enough time to make that assessment himself and his big failing so far he that he has not taken enough steps to remedy it. If we use 04-06 as a benchmark (although maybe we shouldn't given there was no City to worry about then), we need to bring in Saha type upfront rather than relying exclusively on kids plus a has been.
Of course noone is actually saying that. But keep ranting furiously to your alter-ego.
Highly likely that the vast majority of this "youthful, energetic squad" are/will not be good enough.
I agree. As the manager he should be able to see that Rooney cannot be your main man upfront, and he has duly gotten what he's deserved and been well and truly let down. The other big name attacker is Mata. And did anyone expect Mata to do better than he is? He's been very good and invisible, and it's what we all expected. But LVG chose to rely on him. His decision and IMO his mistake. Like I said, if he can get this team to improve this season he can still earn the right to correct that, but yeah, he's on thin ice now.
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No, it's not about blindly backing managers until they run your club into the ground, Moyes failed to achieve his primary objective and didn't ever really have the CV to do the job so on that occassion I wasn't calling for him to be sacked but I was kind of glad because we were going nowhere
Van Gaal has achieved his primary objectives up to now and there are obvious signs of improvement, we are still in the hunt for the PL title and could feasibly win the double so now is not the time to be negative
No, it's not about blindly backing managers until they run your club into the ground, Moyes failed to achieve his primary objective and didn't ever really have the CV to do the job so on that occassion I wasn't calling for him to be sacked but I was kind of glad because we were going nowhere
Van Gaal has achieved his primary objectives up to now and there are obvious signs of improvement, we are still in the hunt for the PL title and could feasibly win the double so now is not the time to be negative
What are these obvious signs?
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