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Do you want LVG sacked?

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If we beat Stoke, I think we'll beat Chelsea as well. Schneiderlin and Herrera should be both be able to start at Stoke. For some reason, I feel optimistic. For the last few weeks I've just been waiting for the inevitable bad performance and defeat, but I don't believe Van Gaal has lost the dressing room. I just think we're very low on confidence, and it needed a bad run and the threat of the manager losing his job to bring about a reaction. I think we'll come out like a cornered animal on boxing day.

Whenever you're in a bad period it seems terminal. We just have to keep trying, and the fans should be behind us. There should be no apathy over Christmas, for goodness sake.
 
SteveJ said:
I repeatedly told you all that the language barrier was a problem for LVG - he really asked for turkey.


Sorry, that was f*cking terrible.
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This needs to be taken from the bottom of the page and displayed for all to see.

The shame.
 
I was only trying to take the pressure off the team.
 
Even if we see an upturn in form, I don't think LVG will be here next season. I want him to turn it round and for us to have a good season then part ways. I would love nothing more than for us to start picking up points.
 
This mourinho rummors remind me of our summer transfer saga.. We were linked with almost all world class players and ended up with bright young talents.
Martial
Lingard
Depay
That's our front three I mean there is a lot of potential there but it's no where close to Hazard and co or Muller and co.. We have lots of money and all that but I think it's not a advantage anymore.. All other big clubs are more stable then us and can easily outbid us.
I can't see us appointing Mourinho or pep - my guess is it will be Giggs.
 
Rado_N said:
How've you come to this conclusion?
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Because we're sticking with this absolutely useless manager, despite losing the last 3, winning 4 of the last 15 and 14 out of the last 33.

Giving him 2 more games is going to prove absolutely nothing, even if we win both.
 
Our board is clueless, if he is managing at stoke. Should have gone on Monday. He is creating a toxic atmosphere among the players and as we saw with chelsea, the players wont play for him anymore and a change (any sort of it) will do the team some good in short term.
 
Sam said:
Because we're sticking with this absolutely useless manager, despite losing the last 3, winning 4 of the last 15 and 14 out of the last 33.

Giving him 2 more games is going to prove absolutely nothing, even if we win both.
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Don't you want to replace him with a guy who won 5 of the last 15 matches at the club he just got sacked from?
 
Dobba said:
Don't you want to replace him with a guy who won 5 of the last 15 matches at the club he just got sacked from?
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As I've said, I'm torn on Jose. But I still think he's our best hope.

We all know its gone badly wrong for him at Chelsea, but thats the only blot on his CV to date. Would it be a gamble? Yes. But I think its a calculated gamble.
 

Excellent analysis on LVG and clues to why our attackers have been shite under him. If he can't see this is a problem, then there is nothing anyone can do to help him.
 
An alert from Man United app got me excited. Turns out, it was about two kids taking penalties.
 
Mutter Merkel said:
That's nonsense. If he doesn't give the forward line more freedom, we won't win. But if he finally learns from his mistakes and gives them freedom and we win with good performances, then I don't agree they don't prove anything. if this is achieved against Stoke and Chelsea, he'll have shown he can turn it around and continue on an upward trajectory.

Where I differ from most in the LVG-out camp is that I don't want the guy to fail; I want him to succeed. Some of you are excruciating prima donnas.
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So it takes him facing the sack for him to show any balls and change his approach?

Great, thats just what I want in a manager. Someone who virtually has to lose his job before he corrects such obvious flaws in his approach.
 
Sam said:
So it takes him facing the sack for him to show any balls and change his approach?

Great, thats just what I want in a manager. Someone who virtually has to lose his job before he corrects such obvious flaws in his approach.
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What does it matter if he does though? It's all very well and good saying he has no balls. I think it's more his stubborn nature that's the problem. The current situation will be forcing a great deal of inward reflection on his behalf, though. I am sure of that.
 
Mutter Merkel said:
What does it matter if he does though? It's all very well and good saying he has no balls. I think it's more his stubborn nature that's the problem. The current situation will be forcing a great deal of inward reflection on his behalf, though. I am sure of that.
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No it wont.

He had the exact same problems at Bayern 5 years ago, and did nothing to change his approach when he came here.

People need to accept it, the LVG we see now is the one we get. He wont change.
 
Sam said:
No it wont.

He had the exact same problems at Bayern 5 years ago, and did nothing to change his approach when he came here.

People need to accept it, the LVG we see now is the one we get. He wont change.
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What I am saying is that he has boxing day to demonstrate a change. If he doesn't change, then it's simply suicidal and we will sack him. However, if he gives the players more freedom and we play Stoke off the park, are you saying it will prove nothing?
 
I dont believe that he is close to the sack - I guess he will stay until the season is finished (and as long as we could make top 4). And I doubt that Mourinho would come in and do so much better immediately
 
Henry on Monday Night Football, basically said they had the same approach in the first 2 thirds of the pitch, to stay in position, but in the final third they were free to express themselves whichever way to score. Maybe Van Gaal knows we're lacking in that area so is refusing to unleash them. Definitely needs to the team to take more risk, with runners from midfield!
 
Sereques said:
He should have stuck with his possession football and grind out wins, going for it and losing to Wolfsburg, Bournmonth and Norwich is the reason everyone is calling for sack. If he had won all those 1-0, what he will have in his hands is a section of unhappy fans, his job will still be safe.
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I dont think he's totally abandoned that, think that we have faced teams that are now willing to have a proper go at us rather than just sitting back. We cant seem to handle that.

Another thing is that we truly miss Schneiderlin imo, but seeing as he's been fit for the last two games, thats on Van Gaal.
 
Escobar said:
I dont believe that he is close to the sack - I guess he will stay until the season is finished (and as long as we could make top 4). And I doubt that Mourinho would come in and do so much better immediately
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He feels he is close. Body language was telling enough. I think it would be immense for the players and supporters. Would provide an insurgence in positive attitude, players needing to prove themselves. What players feel the need to prove anything now? Certainly not Rooney, Mata, Carrick, Blind, or Fellaini. The press conference tomorrow should tell more about the coming days. I agree with what others have said, the board has either decided to sack him or will stick with him a while longer. None of this Stoke and Chelsea to prove himself nonsense. That kind of ultimatum is for the likes of lower table teams. At most, a poor result at Stoke would galvanize any decision that has already been put in motion. I can't see the board changing their mind if we smash Stoke 4-0. Although it will appear that way to the supporters and media if the board is intent on letting him ride out the season.

Think of the meltdown on here if we continue to churn out poor results and miss out on the opportunity to get Jose or end up appointing Giggs.
 
Mutter Merkel said:
If we beat Stoke, I think we'll beat Chelsea as well. Schneiderlin and Herrera should be both be able to start at Stoke. For some reason, I feel optimistic. For the last few weeks I've just been waiting for the inevitable bad performance and defeat, but I don't believe Van Gaal has lost the dressing room. I just think we're very low on confidence, and it needed a bad run and the threat of the manager losing his job to bring about a reaction. I think we'll come out like a cornered animal on boxing day.

Whenever you're in a bad period it seems terminal. We just have to keep trying, and the fans should be behind us. There should be no apathy over Christmas, for goodness sake.
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We got knocked out of the UCL and instead of reacting like a wounded animal like the United of old, we go on and meekly surrender against two promoted teams. Bournemouth for example and that Murray guy should have scored at least 2 more.

There's optimism and then there's blind faith. A lot of fans have lost faith in Van Gaal and rightly so.

And again, he's come out saying he wont change his philosophy. He said it had worked for him this long, and brought success.

He's never started Herrera and Schneiderlin as a CM partnership either. Not even in preseason. Infact he's hardly played Herrera in a midfield 2 this season. Knowing Van Gaal, he isnt changing that now. He wont play a midfield without a proper dictactor. Its the essence of his philosophy. So that aint happening either.

If Herrera is too start, it has to be in the place of Rooney. :lol:
 
Mutter Merkel said:
What I am saying is that he has boxing day to demonstrate a change. If he doesn't change, then it's simply suicidal and we will sack him. However, if he gives the players more freedom and we play Stoke off the park, are you saying it will prove nothing?
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Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying.

We have 18 months worth of evidence to decide whether or not he's the right man for the job. In that time we've had some good matches, that run against City/Liverpool/Spurs. Everton 3-0 earlier this season...but its always turned to shit again. Those positive games have been the exception, not the rule. The boring football has always returned. The lack of goals has always returned. Every single time. So what would one good result prove?

You only have to look at his career to know what you're going to get. To change your mind based solely on one game is rather silly.
 
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Adisa said:

Excellent analysis on LVG and clues to why our attackers have been shite under him. If he can't see this is a problem, then there is nothing anyone can do to help him.
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great analysis and insight... very obvious something is wrong and these guys show you in simple terms.

Why the philosophy and process do not deal with this is shocking.
 
Mutter Merkel said:
That's nonsense. If he doesn't give the forward line more freedom, we won't win. But if he finally learns from his mistakes and gives them freedom and we win with good performances, then I don't agree they don't prove anything. if this is achieved against Stoke and Chelsea, he'll have shown he can turn it around and continue on an upward trajectory.

Where I differ from most in the LVG-out camp is that I don't want the guy to fail; I want him to succeed. Some of you are excruciating prima donnas.
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tell you what, you're Redcafe future is now hand in hand with LVG's. How about that? If he turns it around, you stay.
 
Rob Bowman said:
great analysis and insight... very obvious something is wrong and these guys show you in simple terms.

Why the philosophy and process do not deal with this is shocking.
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Because the 'philosophy' is a load of nonsense.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Pretty sure he's atleast going to be given the chance against Stoke and if successful against Chelsea, 6 points from those two fixtures and there's a good chance he'll be here until and unless we mathematically drop out of top 4 race.

Apparently Woody and the Glazers credit him a lot for the developments behind the scenes in terms of modernizing the sports science and other such things at the club so they feel like they owe him a couple more games with a less injured squad to get things right.
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What he cited insomnia that was going on within the squad
 
Sam said:
Because we're sticking with this absolutely useless manager, despite losing the last 3, winning 4 of the last 15 and 14 out of the last 33.

Giving him 2 more games is going to prove absolutely nothing, even if we win both.
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I want him out as much, if not more, than the next guy, but the board have to be a bit more pragmatic than pulling the trigger and calling it job done.

Who replaces him? What impact does that have on January? What impact does it have on the summer? Does it adversely affect plans for the managers job in the summer?

It's not cut and dry. Calling the board idiots for not cutting him loose as quickly as you want is just silly.
 
Rado_N said:
I want him out as much, if not more, than the next guy, but the board have to be a bit more pragmatic than pulling the trigger and calling it job done.

Who replaces him? What impact does that have on January? What impact does it have on the summer? Does it adversely affect plans for the managers job in the summer?

It's not cut and dry. Calling the board idiots for not cutting him loose as quickly as you want is just silly.
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This.

A lot of childish behavior in this thread. NOW NOW NOW! Why isn't he gone yet!? We're fools!

Calm down, chaps. As the post above states, these are big decisions that don't happen in seconds. Yes, United have often been slow to act in recent times, but it's as silly to be knee jerk and act without thinking everything through.
 
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