We're such an unbelievably stupidly run club.
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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He should have stuck with his possession football and grind out wins, going for it and losing to Wolfsburg, Bournmonth and Norwich is the reason everyone is calling for sack. If he had won all those 1-0, what he will have in his hands is a section of unhappy fans, his job will still be safe.
Has it occurred to you people the club might not even want Giggs as caretaker before confirming who gets the job permanently. I don't get the hysteria because we haven't sacked him yet. It is obvious the club is talking to various candidates.
How is it obvious?
He won't resign BUT, I think he does know that things are bad.
Basically, we are worse off than last year (and last year included a terrible start).
But he will believe in his methods and that although they haven't worked for the last 6 months or so, they will eventually work.
Basically, we are worse off than last year (and last year included a terrible start).
But he will believe in his methods and that although they haven't worked for the last 6 months or so, they will eventually work.
He has never stopped his possession football, we just played badly defensively and offensively.
How've you come to this conclusion?
The club briefing that he has two games to save his job, the club refusing to comment on if and when he will get the sack, the club refusing to comment of if they are talking to Mourinho and Guardiola. IMO, it's clear the club is talking to people
I don't think the club briefed the press and since when clubs comment about behind the scenes discussions before their conclusion? It's all speculation.
Being a listed Journo means nothing, Palmer is listed and he truly knows feck all.
As a journalist you're only as good as what you execute. This guy said pedro was going chelsea before anyone, was called stupid/random and then it happened.
Is it only cool to back Journo's who say things we want to hear ???
Same level of ignorance was thrown at the Di maria claims last year, believe it or not there are actually some very legit people in Sports Journo that take pride in their work and credibility.
Yeah. You are 100% correct.
The only problem is that we did lose/draw all those games.
It's Marca or AS that said it first, he just repeated it.
The club haven't briefed anyone or said anything. The only thing that seems clear to me is that nobody knows what's going on and everything is speculation.
vividly remember his tweet dropped first, then the m.e.n journalists were briefed that United were still expecting pedro then all those bs stories about pedro being warned off mufc by Valdes appeard in AS/Marca once it was known that the move was pretty much done.
I've never felt so included and part of the gang before, thanks Adisa.
ps What candidates? who? how many? don't just leave us in suspense man, spill the beans.
If he's going to be sacked then I'd expect it by tomorrow at latest for the players to get their head around it in time for Stoke. Anything later then we are virtually at Christmas Day and that ain't going to happen. If Moutinho is coming then you imagine proper, productive talks would have begun around Sunday and two or three days should have concluded those talks. I can see it rumbling on to Stoke but defeat there ahead of a testing home game will surely spell the end.
You can say that, but then again the ultimatum business is pretty specific. It reads more like something coming out of the club than a random rumour. What clubs normally do is to either sack the guy - or not. Giving him two matches - during the hectic Christmas schedule - to prove himself isn't common practice as far as I know.
To me, at least, it sounds like a Woody briefing - the purpose of which one may question, but that's a different debate.
Put it like this: It would be odd, given the immense load of speculation, that the club hasn't offered a single comment. But if the ultimatum is, in fact, a briefing - well, then they have offered a comment (in the style favoured by Woody lately), as expected.
The spanish paper said it in early july.
Unless Woody is an idiot, he isn't going to brief that, he isn't even going to say that to Van gaal. Because there is no benefits for him, if Van gaal loses a game the board will be responsible for the dropped points, if Van gaal win both games the board will be in the same situation at the next bad strech of games. Also te club isn't going to publicly say that they don't really trust the manager, that's bad for everyone involved.
This only serves to reiterate how badly he's fallen short, in the fact that his team haven't been able to do so. No more chances created but a defence that's been left exposed and nervous again.
Problem being, he wouldn't have won them all 1-0. He would have likely drawn a couple 0-0 and maybe snatched a goal in one of them. It would've meant he may not have been quite this close to being sacked quite so soon but it wouldn't change the overwhelming feeling of indifference that currently clouds the club.
There's no escaping that he steadied the ship in the immediate aftermath of the Moyes disaster - last season's ambition was to get us back in the CL and he achieved that. However, this season was all about progress, having a full summer to shape HIS squad and get them playing exactly how HE wanted them to. He simply hasn't progressed the side like was expected of him and, now that the players seem to have given up on him, it's no surprise that his position is being seriously questioned.
It's why I think he's still there now - everyone is desperate for him to make a success of it. If the players get behind him and show they believe in his style then they can prove it on the weekend - Stoke may have dismantled City but that was their stand-out performance of the season. it's a winnable game and that's the approach LVG and the team need to take. For his sake.
Inclined to agree. He should stick to his guns and ignore the calls for attacking football. We were doing well before. Yes, we were tedious and dull and nobody liked it but if it ended with a title or a good challenge people would've been satisfied at least. I'm sure we'd all take a boring 4 points from these next 2 games.
I wonder if Mourinho is given the United job, then Giggs goes to Swansea?
So Mourinho is apparently eyeing up a return to Madrid. It's Giggs or LVG then.
As mentioned several times in this thread, it's clearly a foolish thing to do - if it actually has been done. I just find it very specific for a completely unfounded rumour that has gained this degree of momentum.
Some journo, or random mug on Twitter, dreams up this two-match scenario - and presto. Sure, it's possible. It just doesn't strike me as the likeliest thing to be dreamed up - for the exact reason you suggest yourself: It's an odd, not to say stupid move - and it's not a common one either.
It's not really specific, I heard that hundreds of times in France.
Oh.
According to the BBC at a club dinner LVG asked for Unity.Does not sound like a man that will be sacked any time soon.
If Madrid get Mourinho because we dithered or decide to stick with van Gaal then I will be furious. As much as I want him to turn it around if it doesn't look like happening we shouldn't delay.
http://www.touchlinetalk.com/ex-chelsea-boss-take-16m-pay-cut-united-job/120384/?
Well. I have not read this before. If Jose comes it may spell the end of Giggs too.
Well. I have not read this before. If Jose comes it may spell the end of Giggs too.
No need for the slash, we lost them all.
Or it could be a man with one last desperate attempt to salvage something/get players behind him.
He's repeatedly said the players and staff are behind him, but yet continues asking for their unity etc. could be either scenario tbf.
He sounds like Rick James.
Or the club is wary about appointing Mourinho
Actually you could be spot on!
That's why I said we are going to convince him, I don't expect him to do it on his own but it'd look better for him that he resigned instead of getting the sack, if he's too stubborn to realise the club is trying to make him look a little better then they will just sack him.
I repeatedly told you all that the language barrier was a problem for LVG - he really asked for turkey.
Sorry, that was f*cking terrible.
This could be his last ever game in management....what a weak way to go out.
I'd just go for it.
And if that does happen then why the hell couldn't it be done before, think it was in the ladyman article that said when we try to attack we can't defend and when we go defensive we can't attack, brilliant after 18 months and 300 million yet the board supposedly expect him to completely change in the next two games, don't believe it myself.
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