Of course it is business as usual as he is still the manager. Nothing will change until he is sacked.
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Of course it is business as usual as he is still the manager. Nothing will change until he is sacked.
I think Mourinho to be in the stand for the Chelsea game, unless of course we actually get a positive result against Stoke.
Nobody gets banned for footballing opinions, and as a poster with often irritating minority opinions you should be acutely aware of that fact.
The problem is, come Summer, there might not be anyone to replace him with. No one with a proven track record anyway. And it City get Pep on top of that, we're going to be screwed.
Right now we have an open goal with Jose, even though there's an element of risk after whats happened this season, he's still the best option we have available. An option that might not be there next Summer.
By the way, I am not convinced by LVG either. He infuriates me as much as anybody else, but I question the idea of sacking him just before the January window and bringing in a manager who is renowned for playing very conservative, dour football. I would hope, if Mourinho got the job, that I was wrong about him and that we played football that's easy on the eye, as well as being successful. However, you have to be realistic and question why he hasn't done that at Chelsea.
I think Mourinho's football is highly tactical and intelligent, I can't be the only one who gets a little miffed at people who seem to say its just conservative or boring. I know what boring and conservative football is, and it's basically what we've been living with this season, there is no way Jose would have us playing this ugly brand of football.
Waiting until the end of the season is a massive mistake. Bayern tried that too in 2011, and had to reverse the decision with increasingly poor performances.
We might not even have that many candidates in the Summer and end up like 2013 where he had to go for Moyes.
His threat of being banned, from what I've seen in this thread, would be ridiculous. Unless he's done something else?
As for my 'minority' opinions, I find more and more people agreeing with me by the day. Just because I'm not afraid to put my head above the sand and call things out for what they are, doesn't make it a minority opinion. There are far to many United fans on here who like to bury their heads in the sand and pretend like everything is okay. If that irritates you, then I'm sorry, I genuinely don't mean to wind people up. I just say what I think.
I know what the philosophy is.
1. Keep possession.
2. Frustrate the oppostion.
3. Take no risks.
4. As the opponents get more frustrated, mistakes will creep into their game, allowing us to feed the ball through the gaps and to make goal scoring chances.
5. Play Rooney no matter what - even if it costs LVG his job.
The problem we have is our attack can't score goals, despite having so much possession and LVG can't come up with a reason why this is the case.
And when we do lose the ball, our opponent will almost always get a shot on our goal.
I know.
But this late into the week, it looks quite likely than not that he will survive.
In 2013 we could've got Jose. We "chose" Moyes (as crazy as it sounds).
But this season, Ancelotti has already gone, Pep is almost gone to City and Jose is the only A-lister left. If we don't get him soon, we will end up having to sign up a B-lister, or worse, an intern (R.Giggs).
When in god's name will this myth go away? He is renowned for the exact opposite. More specifically, he's extremely pragmatic given the game. Did you see his Madrid teams? He set the record for goals scored in a season. Look at Chelsea last season as well.
He knows when and when not to set up defensively - particularly when it's against bigger sides (United at Chelsea last season, for example).
He has always had pacy, attack-minded players in his teams and is far from a "very conservative" manager. His game-to-game tactics always change and reflect the opponent - unlike LVG who still has us set up and mindlessly pass sideways against the crappiest teams in the league rather than attacking directly.
Agreed, I actually think it highlights some people's blinkered knowledge of football and perhaps the fact they haven't watched Mourinho's teams much over the last 5 years.
I'll wholeheartedly agree that Jose's football isn't always pretty, but it's very rarely boring.
Giggs could easily take over for the Stoke game. He probably won't win but there you go.
I think 2/3/4 are just a result of 1 which is his philosophy, number 5 is just a major brainfart!
My Chelsea-supporting friends don't agree that he's renowned for the opposite. His pragmatism is what leads to his football being so bland. His first consideration is always what the opponent's strengths are and how to nullify them. He even said this was his greatest strength after his last game in charge of Chelsea. I've always believed United should impose its game on the opposition first, not play as though everybody else is the greater threat.
Agreed, which is why I'd be shocked if at this moment we weren't negotiating with other managers as we speak, namely Jose. We may well have already agreed a deal with Jose whereby he knows that he's taking over in the summer, and is on standby for the rest of the season should things cross the line with LVG.
I doubt we'll have to worry past the Stoke and Chelsea fixtures anyway.
You mean winning the title a few months ago?
Did I dream last season or what? How can such a recent period of time be ignored by so many on here over and over again.
No, read the post for context. I am criticising the way his teams play football. And Chelsea were very ordinary for the second half of last season. They reverted to a more defensive approach after they lost 5.3 (I believe) to Tottenham. Mourinho would do the exact same thing with us. As soon as we went up against Arsenal, City or a big club in Europe, the bus would come out.
In the mean time you're completely ignoring the first half of the season when they built a big lead?
It's part of my point. Even when he has tried to play a more expansive system, he's always ended up reverting to type. He did it with Chelsea, and he'll do it with us, unfortunately.
You'll probably get what you want, anyway, and we'll see how it ends up. But I will not be happy if he doesn't send the team out to dominate games in the United way.
You're talking as if we haven't played the worst football in the league under LVG. At least if you're going to defend LVG talk about something that is defend-able.
With our players, Mourinho won't be able to play brilliant football though.
Shut up Sam don't be such a wet blanket, it's Christmas
I was one of the few people probably that wanted to let Moyes have a bit longer but, my caveat always was - can he have a plan, is there a something you can see on the pitch where you get the idea he is trying to get the team playing in a certain way. Toward the end though I didn't get see anything in any of the performances that indicated he had a particular way he wanted United to be playing.
With LVG though, since day 1, he has had a plan, we've seen it for a season and half now of how he wants his team to play, in this very methodical, programmed way. He has talked about though how players need to at first start by learning it and thinking it through games and eventually it just becomes instinct that they'll become a lot faster. But, a season and a half in and we see absolute no signs of us ever becoming anything other than programmed robots on the field.
The Henry/Carragher breakdown of the Norwich game illustrated it very well with how restricting the instructions are that we have no hope under LVG to become anything more than we are right now. It's funny because LVG talks so much about the hours of video they watch but, how can they watch so much video and not see what seems obvious to the whole world? Well the answer is because unlike everyone else - LVG doesn't see anything wrong with his approach and is repeating the same instructions to the players. There is no desire from him to move the ball faster or for players in the attacking third to have more freedom. As a club we've got to be able to see that while there is a lot to the fundamentals of his philosophy, there is a big flaw in the end product which is a brand of football that cannot be successful without some clear changes he is not willing to make and so he either makes them now or he goes very soon before we end up missing out on another season of Champion's League football and start down the path of Liverpool where we no longer get the calibre of players to compete at the upper echelons of the game.
With LVG though, since day 1, he has had a plan, we've seen it for a season and half now of how he wants his team to play, in this very methodical, programmed way. He has talked about though how players need to at first start by learning it and thinking it through games and eventually it just becomes instinct that they'll become a lot faster. But, a season and a half in and we see absolute no signs of us ever becoming anything other than programmed robots on the field.
The Henry/Carragher breakdown of the Norwich game illustrated it very well with how restricting the instructions are that we have no hope under LVG to become anything more than we are right now. It's funny because LVG talks so much about the hours of video they watch but, how can they watch so much video and not see what seems obvious to the whole world? Well the answer is because unlike everyone else - LVG doesn't see anything wrong with his approach and is repeating the same instructions to the players. There is no desire from him to move the ball faster or for players in the attacking third to have more freedom. As a club we've got to be able to see that while there is a lot to the fundamentals of his philosophy, there is a big flaw in the end product which is a brand of football that cannot be successful without some clear changes he is not willing to make and so he either makes them now or he goes very soon before we end up missing out on another season of Champion's League football and start down the path of Liverpool where we no longer get the calibre of players to compete at the upper echelons of the game.
I think Mourinho does play boring football but I really don't think it could be any worse than what we've had with Van Gaal. The last 2 months especially have been disgracefully dull.
I am no Jose fan and I have never wanted him at United but it's hard to deny that the man is a winner, I personally think pragmatism is a great thing to have in a manager and Jose is incredibly pragmatic. There is a lot of talk about him parking the bus in big matches but SAF also was defensive in big games for years, on the other hand LVG went to the Emirates and decided to stick to his methods and we got hammered.
I am not defending Van Gaal. I actually haven't defended him anywhere for a long time. I am debating whether or not Mourinho is the right successor. The more I think about it, the less I think he is. I don't want to watch United playing the catenaccio in every big game.
So do you propose we let him oversee another transfer window first and then sack him?
That would be criminal. IF the board is any way even considering it, they should do it quickly so that the next manager can put their own stamp on it quicker, not after lvg has spent more
I suppose it's debatable, but I think he'll be able to get this squad playing something worth watching, which would be a massive improvement.
It's a myth this United way thing, did Sir Alex try to dominate the game against City that season they won the league with that Aguero goal?
I think if he gives the players freedom in the final third and we play well against Stoke, we should then monitor him against Chelsea to make sure it wasn't a fluke, and if he repeats the success, then yes I think we should give him the money to spend this January. Our signings have been good; we're just lacking more attacking options (which is his fault from previous windows), but maybe he can fix that now. If we're the same shambles against Stoke, then I don't think he'll make it to the Chelsea game, let alone have the money to spend in the window.
2 transfer windows. Give him the summer one as well, when at least we can expect to do some serious business to address that 'forward' line of ours.
We could collect all the forwards in the world, still do us no good when the manager has shown he doesn't now how to play expansive football
That was also the period of time where we all thought, despite winning the title, we were pretty bad. All the signs of the squad being in decline were there then, and many of us were saying that it was almost incredible how we won the league that year. I don't think Fergie ever enjoyed playing so defensively; if you recall both Champions' league finals Barca beat us in, we shared the possession and tried to create our own chances, even though playing Barca at their own game is really quite suicidal.
We have trusted him with a quarter of a billion! Any more funds for him with a terrible standard of football is suicidal
It's tempting. The dark side of mourinho is the pathway to many abilities some consider to be… Unnatural.
Who is he?
Btw, I can totally see LVG offering to resign, just the kind of guy he is. I really admire him, really gutted his managerial career will end on such a low when he could have retired a genius after the WC.
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