LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!

[ZDwyr]

Went with evaluate at the end of the season. I understand people are frustrated, rightfully so, but wanting him sacked now is a slight overreaction. If we fail in the FA Cup, Europa League and fall down the table in the league then yes, he should go.

 

[RedSky]

I can understand those who want him out but I do not see this particular match as a good idea to create 'LvG out' thread on the back of it. Let me get this straight, we already knew it would be extremely difficult to win in Germany playing first 11, let alone such a random mix of players. We wanted to be adventurous and brave.

Look at the team tonight, it was probably the weakest 18 he's had in his time here and in the most important game to boot. And he did risk it, we were attacking, playing risky passes and committing many men forwards.

We lost it because Wolfsburg did well to come back to it twice in 2 minutes instead of letting us take a proper, dull control of the match. Chris Smalling decided that was that time to have his first shambles of a game this year and we were extremely easy to run past through the middle (injuries to Carrick and Schneiderlin). Ref didn't help matters to put it mildly as well.

Now, from a task given/task completed (K/O stages) point of view this is Van Gaal's blame and perhaps this thread should be seen as rational. That's the only explanation. All this I'm hearing 'That's the last straw, the frustration has been growing about his cowardly approach and dull football and now this...' This what? A full of verve performance where he used players than most people in Europe thought were FM regens? Attacking approach? He did what he could with this team and in this game, having 7 first-teamers out of the team.

He failed against PSV. Crystal Palace. Arsenal. He didn't throw a kitchen sink in some of the games he could have in the league which would see us top. That's the potential reason for wanting him out, not today.

As he pointed out after the game 'every word I say will be a bad word' and I symphatize with him, having been in such situations a couple of times in my life (we've all been). As it transpired, not only his words are bad regardless of what they are but also approach and tactics.

The axe is here for a long time, use it if you want then - when it makes sense. When we played as we hate (dull, gutless) and not when we did everything we could to atone it. Stop waiting for the 'right moment' because there's rarely one and this isn't. Unless we fall into the bracket of opposing fans we've always hated who only want their manager out afer exit from competitions of some sorts.

Pretty much my thoughts summed up. Good post.

 

[wiz4231]

LVG has no balls!! Shocker

 

[Someone]

Hypothetically, if United were to sack Van Gaal tomorrow and signed SAF for the remainder of the season, where do you think you'd end up at the end of the season?

I can't help but think you'd be champions without too many troubles.

I don't think so, fergie wasn't a magician, the success we had under him was a result of a careful planned structure and philosophy at the club, those players aren't his players, those coaches aren't his coaches, this isn't a team in his image at the moment, so there no point in asking him or anyone else for that matter to do a short term job, van gaal should keep his job till we find a long term replacement.

 

[Enigma_87]

I can understand those who want him out but I do not see this particular match as a good idea to create 'LvG out' thread on the back of it. Let me get this straight, we already knew it would be extremely difficult to win in Germany playing first 11, let alone such a random mix of players. We wanted to be adventurous and brave.

Look at the team tonight, it was probably the weakest 18 he's had in his time here and in the most important game to boot. And he did risk it, we were attacking, playing risky passes and committing many men forwards.

We lost it because Wolfsburg did well to come back to it twice in 2 minutes instead of letting us take a proper, dull control of the match. Chris Smalling decided that was that time to have his first shambles of a game this year and we were extremely easy to run past through the middle (injuries to Carrick and Schneiderlin). Ref didn't help matters to put it mildly as well.

Now, from a task given/task completed (K/O stages) point of view this is Van Gaal's blame and perhaps this thread should be seen as rational. That's the only explanation. All this I'm hearing 'That's the last straw, the frustration has been growing about his cowardly approach and dull football and now this...' This what? A full of verve performance where he used players than most people in Europe thought were FM regens? Attacking approach? He did what he could with this team and in this game, having 7 first-teamers out of the team.

He failed against PSV. Crystal Palace. Arsenal. He didn't throw a kitchen sink in some of the games he could have in the league which would see us top. That's the potential reason for wanting him out, not today.

As he pointed out after the game 'every word I say will be a bad word' and I symphatize with him, having been in such situations a couple of times in my life (we've all been). As it transpired, not only his words are bad regardless of what they are but also approach and tactics.

The axe is here for a long time, use it if you want then - when it makes sense. When we played as we hate (dull, gutless) and not when we did everything we could to atone it. Stop waiting for the 'right moment' because there's rarely one and this isn't. Unless we fall into the bracket of opposing fans we've always hated who only want their manager out afer exit from competitions of some sorts.

Let have it like this. If you have a valley company and your employee for the last year and a half has dented, scratched a few cars but today he just crashed a 200k brand new Ferrari, what would you do?

It's understandable why some people will call for his head for two basic reasons:
1. It's well known he's a stop gap and a short term solution.
2. With all the financial backing that solution is kinda not working at the moment...

 

[sdb4884]

I'd rather have Giggs until the end of the season than put up with more of this nonsense anymore.

 

[Rykker_4united]

Last season we were dreadful but following christmas we went on a massive run, played some excellent football and pushed up the table. If we have the same from the point we're sitting at now, it could be a title run. I'm not ready to sack him, but today was disappointing.

 

[Sir Matt]

What's the point in giving him another year if he hasn't earned it? It's not as though he's building something to keep working from going into the future. He was a short-term manager from the start. Given how awful everyone in the league has been, he has no excuse not to win it or be within a match of winning it. Injuries are no excuse. It's his fault the squad is so threadbare. If Pep wanted to come and was available in the summer, it would be catastrophically stupid not to get him just to give LVG one more year of mediocrity.

 

[GeneralGattuso]

Ancelotti is relatively young, has about 10 years on top level at least. Has won the CL 3 times with 2 different teams, won the league in 4 different countries, including Premiership.

He's well proven manager who is also proven and knows a thing or two about premiership as well. LvG is not.

Ancelotti won it with Chelsea when they scored 103 in the league.

He's one that can make an immediate impact, also again knows the language, culture etc.

He's also available right now even as interim manager(probably).

For me Ancelotti is much better manager than Klopp. Klopp failed to replace the players and the team he built and his last season at Dortmund was miserable to put it at least.

You could argue the same for Ancelotti at Milan as you could with Klopp at Dortmund. The difference being that Klopp had to deal with losing his best players every year, Ancelotti had Maldini, Inzaghi, Seedorf, Pirlo, etc for the best parts of their careers and well beyond arguably - still he only won Serie A once! Klopp had the 2nd best team in Germany with a much smaller budget than Bayern and still got them trophies, personal accolades and CL final vs Bayern. Also Ancelotti has also been in the game a lot longer than Klopp and at bigger clubs (biggest in Italy, Spain, France and a Chelsea team full of winners), so the fact that he has more titles should be expected. Klopp is just starting out, how he does at Liverpool (not a big club anymore) will show how well he adapts to the PL but I don't expect him to be winning leagues - if he does, it will once again be with a much smaller budget and without the draw for the world's best players. Klopp has built teams, Mainz and Dortmund. Ancelotti did it to some extent with Milan but the rest were already well established. Don't forget, Ancelotti's 2nd season with Chelsea was a fairly dismal effort by comparision and similar things happened at Real.

I'd say Ancelotti is a safe pair of hands but he's not as in vogue as the likes of Klopp or Pep and he's not known for building teams, something I still think we need. Also you dismiss LVG's achivements, he won the CL with Ajax, bringing through youth talent like no other. At Barca he won La Liga twice while bringing in players that would eventually win it all under Pep and then a short stint with AZ (winning again) before winning the Bundesliga with Bayern. He's not PL proven, but he's won everywhere else he's gone, before Ancelotti came to Chelsea all he had done was win the CL twice and Serie A once (in 8 years). LVG is meant to be a stepping stone to someone for the long term, to rebuild the team, bring through some more youth players and reshape us tactically for the modern game, if LVG's job was complete then Ancelotti would be a good handover but LVG hasn't done that yet, so if we're talking about replacing him now or at the end of the season then it has to be someone who can build a team.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

When we play attacking football; we are shit defensively. When we are defensively amazing we are crap attacking wise.

Doesn't take a big brain to know that this team needs only minor improvements. Some think its the manager and some think its the players.

Alot of you living under SAF's shadows assuming we are half the club we were under him. Then theres scholes saying we cant rely on kids.

I was proud of the team tonight. There were kids playing in that team that I didnt think i'd ever see donning the united kit.

 

[mu77]

Last season we were dreadful but following christmas we went on a massive run, played some excellent football and pushed up the table. If we have the same from the point we're sitting at now, it could be a title run. I'm not ready to sack him, but today was disappointing.

no we didn't - beat newc , drew with spurs , drew with stoke , beat yeovil (get in) , lost to soton , beat QPR , drew with cambridge away (get in again) , beat LC , did cambridge at home , drew with wham , beat burnley , beat preston , lost to swan and beat sunderland. - end of dec to end of feb. not so fecking good is it! boldy bits are PL matches.18 from 30.same shit different season. it was mid march to mid april (one fecking month) and we played a string of great matches only to fall flat at the end.

 

[Ryan7]

no we didn't beat newc , drew with spurs , drew with stoke , beat yeovil (get in) , lost to soton , beat QPR , drew with cambridge away (get in again) , beat LC , did cambridge at home , drew with wham , beat burnley , beat preston , lost to swan and beat sunderland. - end of dec to end of feb. not so fecking good is it! boldy bits are PL matches. same shit different season.

Add to this 'played some excellent football' which lasted a whopping three matches and we didn't push up the table. Actually we dropped lower. We were third before Louis fecked it up.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

What's the point in giving him another year if he hasn't earned it? It's not as though he's building something to keep working from going into the future. He was a short-term manager from the start. Given how awful everyone in the league has been, he has no excuse not to win it or be within a match of winning it. Injuries are no excuse. It's his fault the squad is so threadbare. If Pep wanted to come and was available in the summer, it would be catastrophically stupid not to get him just to give LVG one more year of mediocrity.

Van gaal is a short term manager, as well as a manager built for the future.

There are 2 super clubs in the world right now. Bayern & Barcelona and both have one thing in common that they got van gaal in; in a time of despair.
Now, im sure your tired of hearing this but I'm just as tired as repeating such things when I hear the likes of neville, xavi, schweinsteiger, robben, muller, alaba all talking about this guy and his underestimated work.

We had One bad season, One mediocre season where expectations were met & yet people want this guy out because we didn't get through to the CL. What is the expectations? Why would guardiola do any better? He has only ever improved and already mammoth of a football club at the top of their game. You think it's a coincidence that he has followed LVG's team's so far in numerical order? We all know he is our next manager, him waiting until LVG is done says more about van gaal than it does about guardiola.

 

[Tomuś]

Let have it like this. If you have a valley company and your employee for the last year and a half has dented, scratched a few cars but today he just crashed a 200k brand new Ferrari, what would you do?

It's understandable why some people will call for his head for two basic reasons:
1. It's well known he's a stop gap and a short term solution.
2. With all the financial backing that solution is kinda not working at the moment...

This needs an alternation. He wasted this car because, under suggestion that he's too soft with the previous cars and couldn't get the working to their full extent, he willingly went for all or nothing option and really took the Ferrari on a ride. It turned out he let his pilot, as suggested, to help him out this time round but they happen to be not ready, for the time being, to drive at such speed and got it crashed. Wanted it all well and listened to suggestions but it's still isn't working. Perhaps the cars are not yet suited for the company as he tried them all. Or those cars were already dodgy when he applied for the job.

 

[mu77]

Add to this 'played some excellent football' which lasted a whopping three matches and we didn't push up the table. Actually we dropped lower. We were third before Louis fecked it up.

and this yr we were in 1st by some miracle of teams playing worse. now we are 4th and that's fine with some. i wonder if we have the stones to finish there?

 

[Touseef]

I just calm myself by saying look what he did at Munich and Barca in terms of setting up a team for future success...

today we saw CBJ get a chance too. I say give him his time atleast till end of this season and buy some great young talent in Jan too. If he gets top 4, I am open to giving him another season (unless letting him go means getting Pep) and work further on laying the groundwork for a period of domination in the future.

"You must give to get, You must sow the seed, before you can reap the harvest."

 

[marukomu]

Van gaal is a short term manager, as well as a manager built for the future.

There are 2 super clubs in the world right now. Bayern & Barcelona and both have one thing in common that they got van gaal in; in a time of despair.
Now, im sure your tired of hearing this but I'm just as tired as repeating such things when I hear the likes of neville, xavi, schweinsteiger, robben, muller, alaba all talking about this guy and his underestimated work.

We had One bad season, One mediocre season where expectations were met & yet people want this guy out because we didn't get through to the CL. What is the expectations? Why would guardiola do any better? He has only ever improved and already mammoth of a football club at the top of their game. You think it's a coincidence that he has followed LVG's team's so far in numerical order? We all know he is our next manager, him waiting until LVG is done says more about van gaal than it does about guardiola.

I like your post, sir.

 

[Obiorahking_]

I feel like Moyes did much better with so little. And Moyes was a terrible manager. We need a manager that focus on youth, energy and team chemistry

Funny.
Smalling has developed into a top ten CB under him
De Gea improvement curve has skyrocketted under him
Martial and Memphis who have infinite potential to be the worlds best were bought by him.
Van Gaal has just given chances to guys like Borthwick Jackson and Varela and they are turning out to be really fine.
Mcnair and Lingard achieved relevance under him
All of these guys play with high energy...

 

[Livewire1974]

I was proud of the team tonight.

If it was not for DDG we would have been trashed.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Funny.
Smalling has developed into a top ten CB under him
De Gea improvement curve has skyrocketted under him
Martial and Memphis who have infinite potential to be the worlds best were bought by him.
Van Gaal has just given chances to guys like Borthwick Jackson and Varela and they are turning out to be really fine.
Mcnair and Lingard achieved relevance under him
All of these guys play with high energy...

I'm not sure what about Memphis suggests he could be one of the world's best. He can barely beat a man and when he does, he manages to lose the ball in the process, he's struggling to keep Lingard out of the team and I genuinely think Januzaz could have done vastly better if afforded the same opportunity.

Martial sure. Memphis, nope.

 

[Mindhunter]

This is embarrassing. The thread that is.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

If it was not for DDG we would have been trashed.

He made most of his own mistakes and saves. He could have been just as agile at set pieces but nothing to blame him about considering how well he does every week.

 

[marukomu]

I thought it was a thread about our manager being gay.

 

[Obiorahking_]

I'm not sure what about Memphis suggests he could be one of the world's best. He can barely beat a man and when he does, he manages to lose the ball in the process, he's struggling to keep Lingard out of the team and I genuinely think Januzaz could have done vastly better if afforded the same opportunity.

Martial sure. Memphis, nope.

Memphis can barely beat a man? Clearly somebody did not watch the West Ham game...

 

[mu77]

Funny.
Smalling has developed into a top ten CB under him
De Gea improvement curve has skyrocketted under him
Martial and Memphis who have infinite potential to be the worlds best were bought by him.
Van Gaal has just given chances to guys like Borthwick Jackson and Varela and they are turning out to be really fine.
Mcnair and Lingard achieved relevance under him
All of these guys play with high energy...

first point yes with massive protection in front of him , but yep he's improved , not having the second point on DDG he was going up since his shaky start.
both brought in by fergie.
3rd LOL - he didn't give them that he fecking had to. he has no squad to go to.

 

[senorgregster]

I've turned and voted out. I don't enjoy the games anymore and I would take that to an extent if we were real contenders but we are not. All the money spent and we simply don't stand a chance against a decent team. The second we attack we are torn to shreds. When cska scored my reaction was not happiness it was wow we need cska to beat psv to qualify. How sad is that?

 

[Enigma_87]

You could argue the same for Ancelotti at Milan as you could with Klopp at Dortmund. The difference being that Klopp had to deal with losing his best players every year, Ancelotti had Maldini, Inzaghi, Seedorf, Pirlo, etc for the best parts of their careers and well beyond arguably - still he only won Serie A once! Klopp had the 2nd best team in Germany with a much smaller budget than Bayern and still got them trophies, personal accolades and CL final vs Bayern. Also Ancelotti has also been in the game a lot longer than Klopp and at bigger clubs (biggest in Italy, Spain, France and a Chelsea team full of winners), so the fact that he has more titles should be expected. Klopp is just starting out, how he does at Liverpool (not a big club anymore) will show how well he adapts to the PL but I don't expect him to be winning leagues - if he does, it will once again be with a much smaller budget and without the draw for the world's best players. Klopp has built teams, Mainz and Dortmund. Ancelotti did it to some extent with Milan but the rest were already well established. Don't forget, Ancelotti's 2nd season with Chelsea was a fairly dismal effort by comparision and similar things happened at Real.

I'd say Ancelotti is a safe pair of hands but he's not as in vogue as the likes of Klopp or Pep and he's not known for building teams, something I still think we need. Also you dismiss LVG's achivements, he won the CL with Ajax, bringing through youth talent like no other. At Barca he won La Liga twice while bringing in players that would eventually win it all under Pep and then a short stint with AZ (winning again) before winning the Bundesliga with Bayern. He's not PL proven, but he's won everywhere else he's gone, before Ancelotti came to Chelsea all he had done was win the CL twice and Serie A once (in 8 years). LVG is meant to be a stepping stone to someone for the long term, to rebuild the team, bring through some more youth players and reshape us tactically for the modern game, if LVG's job was complete then Ancelotti would be a good handover but LVG hasn't done that yet, so if we're talking about replacing him now or at the end of the season then it has to be someone who can build a team.

The difference is Ancelotti is proven in Premiership, which IMO in the current state is quite a big advantage.

Yes he won the league once with Milan, but let's put it into perspective that Seria A at that time was the best league in the world.

Juventus had as strong if not a better team than his - Buffon, Ferrara, Montero, Conte, Del Piero, Nedved, Thuram, Zambrotta, Ibrahimovic with Lippi and Capello as managers.

In 05/06 Milan were the only side to beat Juve on the road to the title(later revoked).

Inter were also quite a good side with Cannavaro, Zanetti, Stankovic, Toldo, Vieri, Recoba, Adriano

and Roma as well with Totti, Batistuta, Cafu, Montella, Panucci, Emerson etc during those years. With Cuper and again Capello managing the last two over those years.

I do not dismiss LvG. If there is no better option on the table then he should see out his contract. Ultimately he's still better option rather to appoint Giggs or some other flavour of the month. However it's clear that LvG is a stop gap - he's not a long term manager. And since it's not working out - we're out of CL, League Cup, we're doing ok but not that spectacular in the Premier league then it may be some need for a change before things go worse and we finish outside the top 4.

 

[Obiorahking_]

first point yes with massive protection in front of him , but yep he's improved , not having the second point on DDG he was going up since his shaky start.
both brought in by fergie.
3rd LOL - he didn't give them that he fecking had to. he has no squad to go to.

Protection, Smalling is a not a great cb because he has a lot of protection around him? Sure nevermind all those times he has broken us out of counter attacks, cleared away dangerous balls, and won key tackles. It's becuase of the "cover" he has around him. By the way, even it was that, then that would mean that Van Gaal would get credit for allowing us to keep an ample amount of clean sheets right?

Both "bought" by Fergie? True but It was Van Gaal who gave Smalling his chance to start and to prosper into stardom. His ball playing skills continue to improve, and it will only benefit him and the team better regardless of who is the manager.

Which "LOL"? Is Blind not a LB? Has Ashley Young not played RB before?

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

I've turned and voted out. I don't enjoy the games anymore and I would take that to an extent if we were real contenders but we are not. All the money spent and we simply don't stand a chance against a decent team. The second we attack we are torn to shreds. When cska scored my reaction was not happiness it was wow we need cska to beat psv to qualify. How sad is that?

Out of ALL the money spent, which player do you think has flopped? In this sense i mean they have no purpose or future abilities left in them.

Name them.

Blind is fantastic. He is a season away from being in my eyes a world class CB. Martial is a wonder kid and so is shaw. Darmian was needed and not a single better RB was available. Herrera was a signing made on the days he joined the club. Memphis came with alot of hype but it is not unusual for players like him to take time. Di maria is a cnut and it shows in his face.

So who is it? There is hardly a single player he has bought that I do not think has some role in this club; neither has their prices depreciated even if we wanted to sell them.

Everybody acting like 250 million is a big amount these days; when our neighbours spent 1/5th on that on ONE player.

 

[senorgregster]

Out of ALL the money spent, which player do you think has flopped? In this sense i mean they have no purpose or future abilities left in them.

Name them.

Blind is fantastic. He is a season away from being in my eyes a world class CB. Martial is a wonder kid and so is shaw. Darmian was needed and not a single better RB was available. Herrera was a signing made on the days he joined the club. Memphis came with alot of hype but it is not unusual for players like him to take time. Di maria is a cnut and it shows in his face.

So who is it? There is hardly a single player he has bought that I do not think has some role in this club; neither has their prices depreciated even if we wanted to sell them.

Everybody acting like 250 million is a big amount these days; when our neighbours spent 1/5th on that on ONE player.

I don't doubt he's bought well. I doubt he's sold well and I doubt he can make this current squad perform in an entertaining and successful manner.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

Protection, Smalling is a not a great cb because he has a lot of protection around him? Sure nevermind all those times he has broken us out of counter attacks, cleared away dangerous balls, and won key tackles. It's becuase of the "cover" he has around him. By the way, even it was that, then that would mean that Van Gaal would get credit for allowing us to keep an ample amount of clean sheets right?

Both "bought" by Fergie? True but It was Van Gaal who gave Smalling his chance to start and to prosper into stardom. His ball playing skills continue to improve, and it will only benefit him and the team better regardless of who is the manager.

Which "LOL"? Is Blind not a LB? Has Ashley Young not played RB before?

Good point. I still remember to this day how SAF said when retiring that Jones was going to be our next great player. I was surprised when it turned out to be Smalling. Look at the average age of todays squad. Yes it was down to injuries; but a team like this losing by one goal to a near fully working Wolfsburg has me excited for the future.

 

[RedPnutz]

I can understand those who want him out but I do not see this particular match as a good idea to create 'LvG out' thread on the back of it. Let me get this straight, we already knew it would be extremely difficult to win in Germany playing first 11, let alone such a random mix of players. We wanted to be adventurous and brave.

Look at the team tonight, it was probably the weakest 18 he's had in his time here and in the most important game to boot. And he did risk it, we were attacking, playing risky passes and committing many men forwards.

We lost it because Wolfsburg did well to come back to it twice in 2 minutes instead of letting us take a proper, dull control of the match. Chris Smalling decided that was that time to have his first shambles of a game this year and we were extremely easy to run past through the middle (injuries to Carrick and Schneiderlin). Ref didn't help matters to put it mildly as well.

Now, from a task given/task completed (K/O stages) point of view this is Van Gaal's blame and perhaps this thread should be seen as rational. That's the only explanation. All this I'm hearing 'That's the last straw, the frustration has been growing about his cowardly approach and dull football and now this...' This what? A full of verve performance where he used players than most people in Europe thought were FM regens? Attacking approach? He did what he could with this team and in this game, having 7 first-teamers out of the team.

He failed against PSV. Crystal Palace. Arsenal. He didn't throw a kitchen sink in some of the games he could have in the league which would see us top. That's the potential reason for wanting him out, not today.

As he pointed out after the game 'every word I say will be a bad word' and I symphatize with him, having been in such situations a couple of times in my life (we've all been). As it transpired, not only his words are bad regardless of what they are but also approach and tactics.

The axe is here for a long time, use it if you want then - when it makes sense. When we played as we hate (dull, gutless) and not when we did everything we could to atone it. Stop waiting for the 'right moment' because there's rarely one and this isn't. Unless we fall into the bracket of opposing fans we've always hated who only want their manager out afer exit from competitions of some sorts.

Excellent post.

 

[Enigma_87]

Out of ALL the money spent, which player do you think has flopped? In this sense i mean they have no purpose or future abilities left in them.

Name them.

Blind is fantastic. He is a season away from being in my eyes a world class CB. Martial is a wonder kid and so is shaw. Darmian was needed and not a single better RB was available. Herrera was a signing made on the days he joined the club. Memphis came with alot of hype but it is not unusual for players like him to take time. Di maria is a cnut and it shows in his face.

So who is it? There is hardly a single player he has bought that I do not think has some role in this club; neither has their prices depreciated even if we wanted to sell them.

Everybody acting like 250 million is a big amount these days; when our neighbours spent 1/5th on that on ONE player.

How about starting a season with CL in it with Rooney who is not in his best shape or form, Martial - who was barely known teenager and winger and occasionally #9 Depay, as a strike force?

For AdM we really can't blame him, was really a top player on the back of a top season. Falcao was a gamble, Rojo is a bit of a flop so far, Romero ditto, Schneiderlin is not exactly setting the world alight..

Blind is long way ahead of becoming what you think of him.

All in all he brought some quality players, flopped in few, but the biggest issue is failing to address certain positions, which ultimately led to having 4 keepers in the beginning of the season and 1 striker...

 

[RedPnutz]

Van gaal is a short term manager, as well as a manager built for the future.

There are 2 super clubs in the world right now. Bayern & Barcelona and both have one thing in common that they got van gaal in; in a time of despair.
Now, im sure your tired of hearing this but I'm just as tired as repeating such things when I hear the likes of neville, xavi, schweinsteiger, robben, muller, alaba all talking about this guy and his underestimated work.

We had One bad season, One mediocre season where expectations were met & yet people want this guy out because we didn't get through to the CL. What is the expectations? Why would guardiola do any better? He has only ever improved and already mammoth of a football club at the top of their game. You think it's a coincidence that he has followed LVG's team's so far in numerical order? We all know he is our next manager, him waiting until LVG is done says more about van gaal than it does about guardiola.

An excellent and often omitted perspective. Well done.

 

[RedPnutz]

When we play attacking football; we are shit defensively. When we are defensively amazing we are crap attacking wise.

Doesn't take a big brain to know that this team needs only minor improvements. Some think its the manager and some think its the players.

Alot of you living under SAF's shadows assuming we are half the club we were under him. Then theres scholes saying we cant rely on kids.

I was proud of the team tonight. There were kids playing in that team that I didnt think i'd ever see donning the united kit.

Scholes unfortunately sounds like a rambling narrow-minded fool these days.

This team was the probably more United Way than others, plenty of youth and attacking Football.

 

[revel911]

Going to give him big slack right now with th einjuries going on .... this is a crisis if I have seen one. One that I wa shoping would have past. Very typical United of last season and the seasons before.

 

[RedPnutz]

If it was not for DDG we would have been trashed.

What's your point? I could say that If we didn't have so many injuries we would have won.

 

[Amadaeus]

Funny.
Smalling has developed into a top ten CB under him
De Gea improvement curve has skyrocketted under him
Martial and Memphis who have infinite potential to be the worlds best were bought by him.
Van Gaal has just given chances to guys like Borthwick Jackson and Varela and they are turning out to be really fine.
Mcnair and Lingard achieved relevance under him
All of these guys play with high energy...

• I am not sure how much credit should be giving to Van Gaal on Smalling development. Before we had Van Gaal, he was on his way to becoming a top defender already and his quality has been noted many times on here. He deserved credit for not buying a top class defender and giving him consistent game time, but I feel under most top manager, Smalling would have continued his current patch of performance.
• Van Gaal has little to do with De Gea development. He has always been a top keeper before we had him and that trajectory would have continued regardless of our manager.
• Memphis looks worse under Van Gaal than he ever looked in his career. It is good to have potential, but if you do not have a proper manager to aid the player in his development, his potential will amount to very little. Martial was a good decision under Van Gaal, I will give you that. However, we basically bought a teenager for a record fee, so it is not like he is shaping a diamond like what Sir Alex Ferguson did with Ronaldo. Martial is already a diamond, so I only give Van Gaal credit for not scuffing at the price tag.
• Van Gaal really has no option when we have been plagued with injuries. However, at least he does not rotate first team player around in unfamiliar position ala Ferguson to cover the holes these injuries leave in our squad, so I give you this point.
• Every team has players who provide energy, but when your team tactics is not noted for high pressing or 6 second rule, I will not say our team plays with a great amount of work ethic despite having individuals who does work hard.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

I don't doubt he's bought well. I doubt he's sold well and I doubt he can make this current squad perform in an entertaining and successful manner.

The squad is being overhauled.
You look at the average age of our defence.
Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Blind, Shaw, Darmian, Mcnair, Varela and any other make shift defender like valencia and young

Arguably this has been the best part of our performers and this has to have something to do with the age. You do remember we had Rio, Vidic, Evra not even 2 year ago.

Likewise last year we had Falcao, RVP, Rooney, Hernandez as forwards whilst now we have a measly number in martial, memphis, rooney, lingard and possibly wilson.
The age has again been dropped but these players haven't geld and expecting them to do so in their first year is ridiculously high expectations. This isn't falcao, this isnt RVP. We need a RW/RF and a ST and I can guarantee you this wont be some retiring part-timer. They will be under 25 for both positions.

Finally, arguably our most oldest area is our midfield.

Fellaini, Schweinsteiger, Herrera, Scneirdling Carrick, Mata, Peireira etc.

Only one person van gaal has bought there.


That's the thing that gets wound up over people talking about our poor performances. I get that it's poor; but come on, do you expect van gaal to go buy 3 defenders and another goalkeeper in january?

The only gaps we have left are for players that can make a difference in positions that do make a difference.

You eventually replace the aging Schweinsteiger & Carrick; replace Mata with a proper RW & you suddenly have a more capable first team.

If rumours are true, and woodward is backing him again with a big budget; it's most likely that van gaal has explained this to him and he simply see's it this way to.

A striker, a RW, Possibly 2 CM's and what else is there we lack?

 

[okLaptop1]

I thought it was a thread about our manager being gay.

That's not fair, he only pulled his nuts out for the lads once.