What about the fans who said van gaal was playing a different style of football than what we were used to.
Does mourinho play that football?
Im not asking you to compare it to van gaal's compare it to united's ethos.
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What about the fans who said van gaal was playing a different style of football than what we were used to.
Does mourinho play that football?
Im not asking you to compare it to van gaal's compare it to united's ethos.
no brainer. get rid of van Gaal and appoint Morinho. tbf to the board, the decision may have been made and may be annonunced in a day or two. I cannot believe this will drag on over Christmas and the Stoke match.
Mourinho's Chelsea last year played brilliant football... As did his real and inter sides. On occasion he had to park the bus but that's football sometimes. We really should have hired him right after SAF.
In fairness I think the board are genuinely worried about his antics and style of football, and not without good reason, especially after the last few months. It's tricky as while the view is he'd be more successful than LvG, LvG was losing support even before the results got bad due to how boring the football was.
Mourinho wins football matches and does not get driven into what is aesthetically better verses what will get his team the win against a particular opponent. He sometimes takes it to another extreme like those dirtly El Classicos but to be fair to him, the Barca team he was up against was probably the best ever.
Mourinho believes in horses for courses and that's what is required to win leagues and CLs when there are multiple team capable of winning those competitions. The only club I believe who can play attacking football in every game and still win a trophy a year is Bayern.
That is not unreasonable and suspect that's the Board's thinking because they do like LVG and want to give him a chance. But honestly, do you see us beating Stoke 3-0 on current form? I honestly don't see us winning that game much less against a revived Chelski.
Hey, may be we'll show the form that we showed last season when we needed to win against Liverpool or our top 4 spot could have been in danger. Then came another two games, and everyone thought VG has finally arrived. United were back!!
Hopefully, we won't revert back to form this time, if it happens.
Other than AZ (which occured the following season after he had resigned and came back soon after), when exactly has LvG turned a similar situation around?
History shows that it only gets worse. At Bayern for example, things were going badly that they had agreed that he'd leave at the end of the season, but before then, things got progessively worse that they had to change that and fire him mid-season instead.
Our problems go beyond 2 extra games. Seeing how poor Van Gaal's teams are away from home, and how little he rotates, these two games might possibly be the worst chance for him. Its suicidal really.
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What I got from that experience is he struggles with bad spells. There is no way a long term manager won't encounter bad spells, you need the courage to drag your team out of it and I don't think Mourinho has that courage.
Yes, because that is life. At my job, am judged by my last action. If I make a brutal mistake, they won't say oh yeah he was employee of the year in 2014. They will fire me and if I apply somewhere else, the first thing they will ask is why I got fired from my previous job. Why should football be different from life?
Do we need to win 3-0? 1-0, 2-1 or 5-0. It doesn't mater right now. Were in poor form because we are not winning games, no other reason. Form is based on results and ours are well below par. Were at that point where any win will do, and will give the team a boost. Hopefully the fans too.
If we win by a good few, then great. It would be just what everyone needs and might calm a few nerves but a scrappy 1-0 will be just as welcome.
Its unrealistic to expect us to suddenly play brilliantly. It could happen but being realistic, were going to have to work for the points. Let's see if we can string a few results together and then look at improving performances.
There are past precedents aplenty that when there is ultimatum like 'one/two game to save job' it is lose-lose for the manager and it is actually indicator that manager/coach is gone and is in job till details are sorted for next action by club management. So I doubt even 6 points can save Van Gaal. Maybe two very convincing victories can buy him some more time but then he will always be in danger of losing job next time we go in slump. Add the fact that fans have turned against him so much and overwhelming majority of them, it will need a great miracle for him to come back from this brink and somehow stay till end of season.
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Any of you got your hopes up that today's the day?
So he will have atleast stoke game. I think if we wanted to sack him,yesterday was the day. Today will be difficult with next game on saturday.Maybe he has asked for one last game to say goodbye to football. Its a weird situation, why would you give someone 2 games ? its not like he will extrapolate that form on test of the season.
Yeah, sure why not, I have nothing better to do today, I'm scheduling a meltdown for 6.30pm.
Its unrealistic for us to expect, on current form, to win against Stoke and Chelsea. Further, there are many ways of winning 1-0 games. If our team was playing fluid attacking football but only winning 1-0 games he wouldn't be under the pressure he is now. It's precisely due to the fact that his team was, before this present freefall, winning games in the most tumescent, insipid and unconvincing manner which put him under scrutiny in the first place. I know you are Ms LvG and I do like the man, but let's be realistic here: the chances of him surviving the current crisis, are slim indeed.
We have had Moyes then LVG both making Rooney our main man resulting in our worse performances of the premiership era. We let go RVP, Nani, Di Maria, Falcao, Evra ( who should have been captain ) just to ensure that Rooney is the main man. Moyes brought in a look-a-like/ play-a-like Rooney in the form of Mata and yet people expect us to win.
Some may criticize me mentioning Falcao but I believe that his confidence was ruined by playing with Rooney and Mata who were not passing the ball to him. He would make runs and wave his hands for a pass and not get it, so games would pass with him not scoring and as each game passed his confidence decreased. I am sure that if he was involved from the beginning his scoring and confidence would have increased.
Now we face a similar situation with Martial. Putting him on the wing to accommodate Rooney is ruining him and even when he plays central he has to create for himself. RVP in his last year with us also had to create for himself.
LVG has to bite the bullet and get rid of Rooney and Mata then sign a good striker and creative midfielder. If he or his possible replacement stick with them we can expect a continuance of our present situation.
Some may criticize me mentioning Falcao but I believe that his confidence was ruined by playing with Rooney and Mata who were not passing the ball to him. He would make runs and wave his hands for a pass and not get it, so games would pass with him not scoring and as each game passed his confidence decreased. I am sure that if he was involved from the beginning his scoring and confidence would have increased.
Now we face a similar situation with Martial. Putting him on the wing to accommodate Rooney is ruining him and even when he plays central he has to create for himself. RVP in his last year with us also had to create for himself.
LVG has to bite the bullet and get rid of Rooney and Mata then sign a good striker and creative midfielder. If he or his possible replacement stick with them we can expect a continuance of our present situation.
This thread moves so quickly 
. 16 or so pages since I last checked. Has there been anything significant happen in those 16 pages?
. 16 or so pages since I last checked. Has there been anything significant happen in those 16 pages?The sun has set and risen again but that's about it.This thread moves so quickly
If we get ourselves in that position it likely isn't salvageable.
First thing I do when I wake up is check Caf and this thread. It's like a fecking transfer season routine for me.
The Mirror says its all coming down to a consensus. A meeting was held. Here is the article.
Here is Ogden's take on it. One more defeat and he is gone.
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Here is Ogden's take on it. One more defeat and he is gone.
Manchester United’s owners, the Glazer family, are aware of Jose Mourinho’s desire to return to management at Old Trafford, but remain determined to hand Louis van Gaal the opportunity to save his job over the Christmas period.
Mourinho, who has contacted Swansea City since his dismissal from Chelsea last Thursday in order to support the candidacy of his fellow Portuguese Jose Morais for the managerial vacancy at the Liberty Stadium, has made it clear publicly that he is ready to work again as quickly as possible following his departure from Stamford Bridge last week.
United’s hierarchy have also been given a private indication of Mourinho’s interest in succeeding Van Gaal at Old Trafford should the Dutchman lose his job, but with the 64-year-old and his players dining together for their Christmas lunch at Carrington yesterday, there remains a sense of business as usual ahead of the trip to Stoke City on Boxing Day, which may yet decide the manager’s fate.
While senior figures at the club are aware of tensions within the dressing room and a diminishing faith among the squad in Van Gaal’s methods, the former Ajax, Barcelona and Bayern Munich coach has yet to be cut adrift by the Glazers and executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward.
Work done by Van Gaal behind the scenes since succeeding David Moyes as manager in July 2014 is regarded as a success story by Woodward and the Glazers and, although United crashed out of the Champions League during a run of three defeats, it is his overall contribution at the club that is now earning him a stay of execution.
However, a further loss against either Stoke this weekend or at home to Chelsea next Monday would lead to any lingering support evaporating and leave the Glazers and Woodward contemplating the merits of Mourinho as a successor.
While Ryan Giggs would be in place to take temporary charge in the event of Van Gaal leaving, should the Welshman be prepared to manage on an interim basis, Mourinho’s availability ensures that the 52-year-old would be considered as a proven, top-level successor.
Despite Mourinho’s blue-chip track record, notwithstanding his disastrous last season at Chelsea, the Glazers are still to be convinced by the former Porto, Internazionale and Real Madrid coach’s suitability for the United job.
The club’s determination to remain one that is rooted in youth development jars with Mourinho’s heavy focus on the first-team squad at all of his previous clubs.
Mourinho’s tendency to clash with authority, notably the Football Association and match officials, is another issue which has prompted discomfort at United, most notably with director and former player Sir Bobby Charlton citing that as a negative factor when asked about Mourinho’s credentials as a potential successor to Sir Alex Ferguson three years ago.
But with United travelling to Stoke having won just three of their last 13 games in all competitions, there is an acceptance that Van Gaal is running out of chances to turn the tide and that Mourinho, who worked alongside Van Gaal at Barcelona, would offer a ready-made solution to any potential vacancy.
Despite the pressure on Van Gaal, however, Mourinho has spent recent days attempting to help Morais land the Swansea job. The former Chelsea manager is understood to have contacted the Swansea chairman, Huw Jenkins, to back the credentials of Morais, who was part of his back-room staff at Stamford Bridge.
Jenkins, having sacked Garry Monk two weeks ago, has failed to tempt Giggs into discussing the vacancy and remains keen to lure the former Athletic Bilbao and Marseilles coach Marcelo Bielsa to the club.
Morais, who worked alongside Mourinho at Inter, Real and Chelsea, has not managed since a brief spell in charge of the Saudi Arabian club Al Shabab in 2014
Mourinho, who has contacted Swansea City since his dismissal from Chelsea last Thursday in order to support the candidacy of his fellow Portuguese Jose Morais for the managerial vacancy at the Liberty Stadium, has made it clear publicly that he is ready to work again as quickly as possible following his departure from Stamford Bridge last week.
United’s hierarchy have also been given a private indication of Mourinho’s interest in succeeding Van Gaal at Old Trafford should the Dutchman lose his job, but with the 64-year-old and his players dining together for their Christmas lunch at Carrington yesterday, there remains a sense of business as usual ahead of the trip to Stoke City on Boxing Day, which may yet decide the manager’s fate.
While senior figures at the club are aware of tensions within the dressing room and a diminishing faith among the squad in Van Gaal’s methods, the former Ajax, Barcelona and Bayern Munich coach has yet to be cut adrift by the Glazers and executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward.
Work done by Van Gaal behind the scenes since succeeding David Moyes as manager in July 2014 is regarded as a success story by Woodward and the Glazers and, although United crashed out of the Champions League during a run of three defeats, it is his overall contribution at the club that is now earning him a stay of execution.
However, a further loss against either Stoke this weekend or at home to Chelsea next Monday would lead to any lingering support evaporating and leave the Glazers and Woodward contemplating the merits of Mourinho as a successor.
While Ryan Giggs would be in place to take temporary charge in the event of Van Gaal leaving, should the Welshman be prepared to manage on an interim basis, Mourinho’s availability ensures that the 52-year-old would be considered as a proven, top-level successor.
Despite Mourinho’s blue-chip track record, notwithstanding his disastrous last season at Chelsea, the Glazers are still to be convinced by the former Porto, Internazionale and Real Madrid coach’s suitability for the United job.
The club’s determination to remain one that is rooted in youth development jars with Mourinho’s heavy focus on the first-team squad at all of his previous clubs.
Mourinho’s tendency to clash with authority, notably the Football Association and match officials, is another issue which has prompted discomfort at United, most notably with director and former player Sir Bobby Charlton citing that as a negative factor when asked about Mourinho’s credentials as a potential successor to Sir Alex Ferguson three years ago.
But with United travelling to Stoke having won just three of their last 13 games in all competitions, there is an acceptance that Van Gaal is running out of chances to turn the tide and that Mourinho, who worked alongside Van Gaal at Barcelona, would offer a ready-made solution to any potential vacancy.
Despite the pressure on Van Gaal, however, Mourinho has spent recent days attempting to help Morais land the Swansea job. The former Chelsea manager is understood to have contacted the Swansea chairman, Huw Jenkins, to back the credentials of Morais, who was part of his back-room staff at Stamford Bridge.
Jenkins, having sacked Garry Monk two weeks ago, has failed to tempt Giggs into discussing the vacancy and remains keen to lure the former Athletic Bilbao and Marseilles coach Marcelo Bielsa to the club.
Morais, who worked alongside Mourinho at Inter, Real and Chelsea, has not managed since a brief spell in charge of the Saudi Arabian club Al Shabab in 2014
Looks like he will stay for another or maybe even 2 games, which is very disappointing.
I think LVG knows he is gone, its all about right timing and right negotiation with Mourinho. the guardian article says, unite want assurances from Mourinho that he does not ignore the ethos of the club. He will also earn less than he did at chelsea as he needs to take a pay cut. I cannot post the guardian article as it is paid.
Depending where in the world you are.
He'll get the Stoke match and be gone after I think. Right or wrong but I can see Giggs in charge against Chelsea and then Mourinho coming.
If there is that much doubt over him where's the logic in giving him another game. It's just wasting time, something the club seems to love to do.
Per the article in the mirror: "van Gaal is philosophical about the outcome". I dare say he's philosophical about the process behind all this too.
Its a horrendous mindset. We have to lose v Stoke to get rid of him so in all likelihood we will be 10 points behind Arsenal instead of the 7 we are now. 7 points behind with Mourinho in charge with the January window upon us doesn't sound such an uphill task to me..
and what if we fluke our way to two wins in our next two fixtures but its the typical horrendous football? What does that really prove, does that count as an improvement?
I wouldn't have expected him to be any other way.
That is why I think it's bullshit. He is either toast already or he is staying. Results in the next two games won't prove anything.
Also, I hate the line "we are not a sacking club". What the feck does it mean?
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The mirror article is such a piss take. Van Gaal is understood to be philosophical about the process
At what point during this week if he is not sacked do we accept that he will not be sacked for at least another week? Wednesday morning UK time?
This is going to happen. You just know it will. This is the most retarded course of action to take, what does 2 games prove?
For me it's today, Tuesday, if we don't hear anything today, I accept he's staying at least till after the Stoke game.
So the board will wait for us to be even further away from top 4 before they sack him ?????
Good post
Instead of the traditional sacking, I'd like to see Van Gaal taken off early at halftime of the Chelsea match. Mourinho can come out to coach the second half and we send the Dutch master off with our very own "genius substitution".
His sacking is obviously a process and we can't expect it to happen over night.
I've been thinking this since we lost to wolfsburg, however it has just gotten progressively worse with losing at home to norwich being unacceptable, I fear declining confidence leading to a domino effect which will only get worse the longer he stays.
"Please, Please, Please happen" is what I was screaming before the norwich game and we lost, I was done after that. Especially if the players have lost the desire to play or any faith in his methods.
also, Stoke away is one of the worst games you could be given to save your job. Brutal place to play if a team is low on confidence.
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