If LVG is as close to the edge as seems, and if the board have made contact with Mourinho, I wonder how much the fixture against Chelsea plays into the timing of things. It is impossible not to be aware of just how massive the attention on that game would be if it was Jose strolling down the touchline, and I wonder how the board sees it - would they rather not have the game become a complete sideshow, or would it be the sort of box office stunt Ed would go for? Or does it make no difference. I guess the main question is would we rather have Mourinho in before or after that game if we have already decided by then that he is gonna be the man?
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If van Gaal is in a position to be delivering those speeches then he's definitely staying. In fact I'd be surprised if anything has been said at all to Van Gaal. He must he confident in staying to deliver that speech.
I don't reckon it will come into the reckoning. There is a much, much bigger picture than that game. There are 6 points at stake in the next two games, six points which could be absolutely huge come the end of the season, worth 100s of millions of pounds. If the board think bringing Jose in will help us immediately then they will do it, and the Chelsea game will just become one massive sideshow.
At then end of the day, if the options are stick with LVG for the Chelsea game and face a probable defeat, or bring in Jose and have a chance of winning but also have a huge circus around it, they have to go with the later. The result of the game could potentially be massive.
I was showed a text message that was sent from a 'United fan' that said he hoped we lose on saturday so that he gets sacked. what the feck is that about?!
Anyway, it doesn't look like he's getting the sack before the next two games and we have no choice but to get behind the team and pray for 6 points. it might turn out to be a turning point i suppose.
Anyway, it doesn't look like he's getting the sack before the next two games and we have no choice but to get behind the team and pray for 6 points. it might turn out to be a turning point i suppose.
The way we are handling this is a bit stupid. It's not fair on LVG either with him having to give press conferences when he knows the club is preparing to sack him.
Once it gets to the '2 games to save his job' stage its obvious its over.
Once it gets to the '2 games to save his job' stage its obvious its over.
My question is predicated on the idea that the board have already decided to go for Mourinho, in which case it's simply a question of do we press the button before or after the Chelsea game. To me, the rest of your post implies that the Chelsea game WILL come into the reckoning because you just made a case for it being uber important. It's just you're basing it more on whether we will win or not, and again I guess LVG or Mourinho being in charge would be a factor either way.
But what if we got Jose in just before the Chelsea game and we lost, it would be a complete meltdown everywhere, if we're not getting pep in the summer and its Jose I'd get him in after that game.
Either way I'd get rid of lvg now because like Attila says if it's at the two game point it's over already.
Honestly hope there is no two game ultimatum as that is really without purpose. Let's get Maureen in.
Looks increasingly you will be wrong.
"Better make it 3, just to be sure..."
He's not getting sacked yet, he would have gone by now. Looks like he's got the Stoke game at least.
Rooney should be praying that LVG stays. LVG has basically made Rooney king of the castle. If Jose arrives, I feel that he will do to Rooney, what he did to Terry and bench him or drop him completely.
Mata is the other guy will do everything in his power to prevent LVG leaving. If Jose comes in, Mata could be moving on, which is never a nice thing (ie. being forced out, move home, maybe move country, etc).
Some were hoping that against Norwich, saying they wanted Norwich to score a few more as "on the brightside it should spell the end of LvG"
just don't buy this win a couple of games and everything will be fine.
I hope you're right about Rooney, but many of us were saying the exact same thing when Moyes was on his way out and LVG looked set to be appointed.
This portugese paper has been saying Maurinho has been given a 5 year deal. He is going back to Portugal for 48 hours.
Hopefully to be away for them to tell van Gaal to leave?
Hopefully to be away for them to tell van Gaal to leave?
Mourinho has dropped two captains in his last two clubs and it has caused unrest. I don't think he'd do that straight away with Rooney.
He'd buy a new striker in the summer obviously though.
Those two are about as much use as a nuns cnut at the best of times and should count there lucky stars they are still at Manchester United
I do think this shows how important entertaining football is.
The fact that we've been playing fecking awful football for the vast majority of his reign meant that the minute the results started to take a turn for the worse he had nothing to fall back on. Playing attacking inventive football buys you more time if results are poor.
I've said it before but for me I think he should be gone, we're just wasting time keeping him at this point. He is going to get the sack at some point before the end of the season because I think he's lost the players so we should be acting now rather than waiting for another 2 or 3 more defeats or 0-0's. I think Van Gaal knows himself his time is almost up.
I don't think we'll be getting any Moyes style interviews when he's gone saying how shocked he was at the sacking.
The fact that we've been playing fecking awful football for the vast majority of his reign meant that the minute the results started to take a turn for the worse he had nothing to fall back on. Playing attacking inventive football buys you more time if results are poor.
I've said it before but for me I think he should be gone, we're just wasting time keeping him at this point. He is going to get the sack at some point before the end of the season because I think he's lost the players so we should be acting now rather than waiting for another 2 or 3 more defeats or 0-0's. I think Van Gaal knows himself his time is almost up.
I don't think we'll be getting any Moyes style interviews when he's gone saying how shocked he was at the sacking.
Van Gaal has been in similar situations before. The reason I am not convinced sacking him just yet is the right idea is because he has turned dire situations around too often in his career for the possibility to be excluded in our case. He's a brave man, and I hope the players give everything for him against Stoke. Not wanting us to do well because Mourinho is available is just stupid. What if we beat Stoke 3.0 with 70% possession and 10 shots on target? We need a big performance to inject enthusiasm back into the club.
Please, please, please happen.
Just in time for the Chelsea game.
Which? I'm pretty sure you're thinking of the Fichajes thing which quotes The Sun which was mentioned a few pages ago by @SteveJ. Nothing in it. Mourinho's going back to Portugal for his dad.
Guess the delay was all down to our admin slow paperwork again. Patience lads.
70% possession. I'm creaming myself.
"Fichajes predominantly report on Spanish transfer news to varying degrees of success."
So, you're one of those.
I wonder if we are waiting to pull the trigger while we explore the possibility of still getting Pep, or whether no one wants to tell Giggs he can take the Stoke game but a proper manager will be appointed.
3-0 to stoke seems more likely with the way we're playing.
Yeah, I just love passing pointlessly sideways and backwards until our forwards give up all hope of ever getting the ball, I save up all week just to see it.
I will be pissed off if Woody drops the dime on LVG through the media. Like he did with Moyes. LVG deserves respect for the work he has done. Especially when he is being replaced by someone who has been poor compared to him.
I know. If they're so unsure about him that they'll leave it up to 2 games then the question is surely when, not if. It being midseason doesn't help.
Pleanty of managers can improve us. Ultimately, guardiola will leave to his next job or mourinho will shout at some female doctor & we will be a rotating a trophy season with a poor one like madrid or man city.
Let the guy build a squad for feck sake. The only thing thats wrong with the current squad is quantity rather than quality. He made this squad full of youngsters by spending 250 million; also considering the fact he sold the aging pensioners bar one. That's effing pocket money compared to how much clubs spend on one or 2 players alone.
We can then go for the manager who get's the best out of this squad; which would not suprise me if it's not van gaal.
If he improves this squad by dropping the average age even further, have the right balance between quantity and quality then we can have guardiola, rodgers, giggs & it would not matter; for a long long time.
Do bayern look bothered about getting rid of guardiola? It's because they have a flexible- easy to replace squad. Players like alaba and muller will eventually become the leaders of the squad while others are either bought in or promoted.
Let the guy build a squad for feck sake. The only thing thats wrong with the current squad is quantity rather than quality. He made this squad full of youngsters by spending 250 million; also considering the fact he sold the aging pensioners bar one. That's effing pocket money compared to how much clubs spend on one or 2 players alone.
We can then go for the manager who get's the best out of this squad; which would not suprise me if it's not van gaal.
If he improves this squad by dropping the average age even further, have the right balance between quantity and quality then we can have guardiola, rodgers, giggs & it would not matter; for a long long time.
Do bayern look bothered about getting rid of guardiola? It's because they have a flexible- easy to replace squad. Players like alaba and muller will eventually become the leaders of the squad while others are either bought in or promoted.
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If they are not replacing him, They should just come out and say they back him. They have not said anything either way. And there is much too much speculation that it is Mourinho. There really is no one else unless Giggs is the back up plan, which means they are realistically gambling on an untried person. With Maurinho, I am very confident we have asolid chance at winning the title This season. I saw the Arsenal City match. Playing to our strengths, we absolutely can beat them. But not with van Gaal. He cannot suddenly change the way he thinks.
If they keep him, then I honestly do fear for the future of Manchester United. It would mean we only move from one crisis to another.
We made a huge mistake not appointing Maurinho after Fergie. This seems the very last chance.
If they keep him, then I honestly do fear for the future of Manchester United. It would mean we only move from one crisis to another.
We made a huge mistake not appointing Maurinho after Fergie. This seems the very last chance.
Mourinho plays more boring football than van gaal does. He is also a cnut who will diminish the name of united. You do know mourinho was most likely sacked because the cameiro law suit was coming up & he was going to lose?
with all due respect we must disagree. van Gaal's football is suicide inducing. Mourinho was sacked because of the results. What really happened behind the scenes we will find out when someone writes a book.
EDIT: Jose's football may not be United Way but his team last season were ruthless.
It is a massive stroke of luck that mourinho is free exactly when we need him. I trust the club will not make the same mistake twice.
exactly. If they mess this up....well feck it.
I agree that he was fired because of the results, not the Eva Caneiro thing, he'd lost the players. I think we are between a rock and hard place but we need to make a choice soon as LvG is sucking the life out of the club.
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