We could know very soon, if we make a move for Mourinho he's off to City.
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We could know very soon, if we make a move for Mourinho he's off to City.
We played well when he came. In attack anyway. In defence we were a shambles. It came to a head v Leicester where we attacked very well on the first half bit defended like Arsenal in that 8-2. He sured things up to the detriment of the attack and we had a spell of 7 straight wins (wasn't thrilling mind) after a set back we had that mental march where we looked the business. Another dip followed.
We started this season gaining most of our points early on. Our poor run recently has seen us pick up what? 5 points?
This is the first real dip in form. Compared with everything that's gone before. Discounting the first 10 games of his tenure as he was new to the club and league.
Regardless of how you feel personally about City, and how they're seen as 'new money' they have done a lot of things over the past few seasons with regards to youth development and team facilities that may, in some people's eyes, make them a much more exciting prospect for building a new football dynasty.
Just playing devil's advocate, but I think people saying how City is 'beneath' Pep should take the red tinted glasses off.
In the league?
Yep.
I wouldnt expect long-term from him. 3 or 4 years as usual.
All those 0-0's might as well be defeats.
Chelsea as well.
I can see Jose staying for more than that. He's a winner. If he keeps on going he'll be given time, which he didn't have at the clubs which he managed before.
Guess it's more because I think Pep is someone who would believe in stamping his own authority on a club like City and make them truly famous. And to do that you would need complete backing from the club with investments and he can attract the players himself. Hardly anyone at City would even question him.
Liverpool also if you want it.
If you'd have said to any Utd fan in August that Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City will have lost more league games than Utd by Christmas. How many would have been calling it a crisis or asking LVG to be sacked?
This is funny and not true in case anyone here is below 3.
Of the two clubs its ours which I would think gives off the impression of allowing the manager to do his own thing. Fergie, Moyes and van Gaal have all been allowed to do their work without interference from the board.
so we don't want to fire him before Christmas....alright....
2 of those teams already sacked their managers. City have all but agreed signing Pep in the summer as well, so essentially yeah I wouldn't be surprised if Pellegrini packs early this year as well. Apart from the league United are out of CL in a group that is easily winnable for a top side. Out of League cup as well in the 3rd round against 2nd tier opponent.
In the last 4 games only Southampton and Swansea(who also sacked their manager) are in worse form and we're on par with Villa.
Soriano and Txiki are not going to cause Guardiola any problems.
No point getting into the argument of City and their 'new money', my point is I saw Pep as manager who wanted to manage the true historic clubs in Europe, City is clearly not one of these, hence my surprise he seems set to join them.
Discounting Fergie, unsure how much it is now. In anycase, United job right now looks much more difficult than City one. And the pressure will be much more. If anyone can, probably he can.
True. He would probably get an easier ride from ex players connected with City too.
I'm not for one minute suggesting things are rosey. It's bad, worse than bad. It's awful.
But, we're not alone in that (domestically) and given the rate of turnover our squad has had, the inexperience of the front line and the capitulation of Rooney, it's worth assessing the context amongst the bigger picture too. This could well be a valuable lesson to the likes of Memphis, Martial, Lingard and co.
I still back Louis, just about admittedly.
Has the Daniel Taylor guardian article been mentioned yet? Club wanting assurances that Jose will not be an arse if he is offered the job, and LvG serving the Christmas dinner today.
Guess it depends whether he wants a challenge. Then again, is it more difficult.
How much change will City require in a few years compared with us?
Fair enough. I suppose my point is that the prospect of helping make a club historic might be just as strong a draw as joining an established historic club.
I haven't thought about that but that's true, there is less historical pressure and he will be able to create history with City. But once again Guardiola has already made his decision, so if the contacts with Mourinho are true, it means that Guardiola already agreed to join someone else or he is taking a break.
How do you even agree to that? Does he sign a contract with a clause saying he agrees not to be an arse?
What if he then is an arse? Verbal, written, final gone?
Jose likes to be an arse when he wins as well. What will we do then? Terminate the contract of a winning manager for being a Cnut?
Originally you were talking about the Moyes era too, and we've clearly improved from those dark days. That was what I was originally replying to when you said we've been getting progressively worse.
Even within LVG's tenure you can't say we've been getting progressively worse other than over the past 6-8 weeks. Think back to 4-0 to MK Dons and 5-3 to Leicester. For most of this season we've been solid (and boring) but poor in the final third. 6-8 weeks can be put down to poor form and more importantly ties in with a glut of injuries. Not to mention we've had the CL to contend with which we didn't last season.
I don't like LVG's style of football and I'd happily see him replaced with a manager who offers more entertaining football to watch. That said most the criticism has been blown out of all proportion and can be put down to a lengthy run of injury induced poor form... But I'd still replace him with Pep in a heartbeat.
You put a clause that allows the club to reduce his wage of 15% everytime he acts like a twat.
Has Pep ever gone on record in saying that though?
For me, it always seemed like he coached Barca because they were his club and gave him a chance. And Bayern because it was a fantastic opportunity and a new league. I dont think he's much of a traditionalist at all
If he wins the league, none of those will happen. If it does, he will just be a bigger arse and leave. Don't think he will have any problems finding a new club as a result.
Maybe, but he'll not stay longer than 3 years and he'll also need some time to adjust to the prem imo. He has bossed the La Liga with a ridiculously good side, the fact Tito, and now Enrique have come in and they have barely broken stride is testament to this (Martino stalled them a bit), and at Bayern he walked into the CL winners, and a club that just bullies the other teams in Germany, if anything they have almost underachieved under him as the haven't won the CL again.
The point is he accustomed to walking into ready made clubs that are used to winning things, he just won't have that at City so it'll be his biggest test by far, and how much history he can achieve in 3 years is open to debate, but same could be said if he came to United I suppose.
And until summer?
We continue to plummet down the table...
Maybe he just needs to try and not gouge anyone's eye out and all will be good, tbf though he can whine on like a two year old at times, just tone it down a bit.
He'll be earning nothing within a year.
Not sure, maybe I'm just an old romantic and saw him this way.
But tbf there has been plenty of noise how much he loves to atmosphere at United, etc.
That was all about his poor relationship with Barca. Apart from the animosity with Wenger I don't recall him having a problem with any manager in the PL
Impossible to get to 0 with % reductions. Maybe £0.00000001.
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