Look at what they leave behind.
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Look at what they leave behind.
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Agree, but if Pep is fannying around deciding whilst Mouriinho is there for the taking then it has to be Mourinho, there is just no way we can risk been left with no one again when in the space of 12 months we've had Klopp, Pep, Mourinho, and Carlo all available.
We've already missed two of them and there are now four clubs looking a top manger (United, Chelsea, City, and Madrid) please let us not mess this chance up.
Let's just change manager every 12-18 months. Or as soon as they have a bad spell.
Less risk that way.
Less risk that way.
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If we don't move for Mourinho this month he will be at Real Madrid in January.
Nah, let's give them years to turn this around when we are getting progressively worse. It's a process. Should have kept Dave for those 6 years, he'd have turned this around.
Progressively worse? You have a short memory if you believe that.
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Replacing him leads to European cups too. Well that's the evidence anyway.
Bad spell, it's been 18 months of mediocricy, that's not a bad spell mate.
Get Pep to agree terms now and agree van Gaals departure, on good terms in the summer. He won't stand in the way for Pep.
I still believe we've been talking with Pep for years, since Moyes was here and have known his decision. Which imo is to us. I think he was intending to extend with Bayern hence we considered extending van Gaals earlier this season.
Absolutely nothing to support that. Just a feeling/guess. Hopefully there's a shred of truth to it though.
Reckon he'll wait a while for us, but could easily happen if we mess around.
If we can get Pep to sign a pre-contract then fair enough I'll stomach LvG a while longer, but in absence of that it has to be Jose in January.
You look at last season with 4141 where we've had a very good spell, beating top teams and playing entertaining football and you look at the 'quality' of football we've played this season, embarrassing ourselves in the CL, getting out of COC to Boro on pens and Sarni's not far off.
Yeah, the only time we were truly good under van Gaal was between March and late April last year. Then we went on that horrific run towards the end of season and we've had about 3 decent games this season - actually more like three good halves (vs Southampton, second half vs Liverpool and the whole Everton game). Aside from that we've been dire and it's been getting worse, our last credible performance was Everton and it was like 2 months ago. Since then we managed 4 wins in 16 games. It's a horrendous run and it's getting worse - from 0-0 draw against West Ham at home to being outclassed by Norwich at Old Trafford.
We got knocked out from a very easy group in CL because we did not go for a win at home to PSV, we are moving down in the league and we're already out of League Cup. The only reason why this season is not considered as utter disaster is that some of our rivals have been almost as bad. Even then we are level on points with Palace and 1 point ahead of Watford. 9 points behind Leicester.
Nice theory, but there's an awfully good vibe coming form City about him go there, and a fairly well orchestrated media leak a couple of weeks ago saying we weren't going for him as we know where he's off (or words to that extent).
Ah don't give him publicity ffs
No it is. Its quite a long spell, into double digit games but its still a bad spell.
Last season we had a poor start, after that I believe he matched Chelsea point for point, or close too that. From game 10. We continued into this season, with performances dipping but results staying the same. Achieving top spot for the first time since dsh one of Moyes tenure.
In recent months we have seriously slipped and everyone is aware and concerned. Bit let's no rewrite the previous 16 months as a disaster when it wasn't.
Haha, had to be done.
What's really terrible is that people somehow feel that United scrapping for 4th place in the league that is at its lowest in recent years is somehow acceptable. It is not, if you saw Bayern, Barcelona or Real Madrid in this position you'd be laughing and you could bet your house they'd be desperate to get out of this crisis because this is what it would be considered. We are one of top 5 clubs in Europe, we should be fighting for title year in year out.
Since when are managers judged on 'what they leave behind'? The true success of a coach always comes with how they actually perform during their tenure. Otherwise then Fergie would surely be considered a failure considering the club has been in complete turmoil since his retirement, is that his doing? Guardiola will have left Barca and Bayern in the exact same state that he began with, world class squads, how much of that can be attributed to him? And since some are so obsessed with the 'state' that Mourinho apparently leaves teams how do they explain Chelsea's success in the years after he left back in 07? Can he be credited with their 08 CL final appearance and double in 2010? What about Madrid winning the CL the season after he left? Hell, Porto went on to dominate the Portuguese league after he left, can we credit their success and Europa League win in 2011 to him? The only team that has truly fallen since him leaving was Inter which has had terrible management since 2010. The same people desperate to use this 'criticism' are the first ones to have the gall to credit Van Gaal with Barca and Bayern's success on pretty flimsy grounds. I don't love Mourinho for a lot of things he has done, but right now beggars cannot be choosers and United are in such a terrible position with Van Gaal right now that I'd have him in now in a heartbeat.
It hasnt been a disaster for 18 months, but we've been poor for the majority of his time here. I think there has been about one month where we have genuinely played good football and got results, which should be the standard. The rest of them, the football was awful and we scraped results, now the football is awful and we dont get results since that City game basically, which is 8 months ago.
We won't know for a while yet so its always guess work. I still don't see him at City though. Its beneath him, No offence to City but that's the reality for me.
He's clearly staying till end of season, might as well close the thread
I mean there's a way to put your point across if you argue how United are a bigger deal. But that's just laughable.
You should've spotted by now I don't think he should get it either. My problem is the utter lack of respect inherent in comments such as he can "feck off" and how he is still at the club for some sort of sinister self serving reasons. He's about as United and loyal to the club as it gets. And I'm sorry but being a fan does not equate with having played for the club for your entire career does it really?
I mean there's a way to put your point across if you argue how United are a bigger deal. But that's just laughable.
Why?
Aye, his football isn't great and his personality does seem to wear on the clubs he works for. That doesn't make him washed up though, those negatives were always there.
I still don't see how people come to this point. Pep didn't even managed to stay more than 4 years at his childhood club and the club he spent most of his career at. At Bayern he's leaving at the third year, yet people are expecting him to stay forever in England...
Mourinho managed 1 smaller side - Porto, so naturally he'll make the step up, and Real and Chelsea are not clubs where he can build a dynasty there. The manager there won't have the time, regardless who he is. Real effectively sacked del Bosque after winning them 2 La Liga's and 2 CL titles, and we all know Roman.
We're still only six points behind Arsenal, and we know they will have a meltdown at some point. City are only three points ahead. The race certainly isn't finished. We need to have a winning streak now though.
I mean there's a way to put your point across if you argue how United are a bigger deal. But that's just laughable.
Hardly laughable, a mid ranking club that has hit the jackpot should be beneath a manger like Pep, personally I thought he thrived off the romance/history of the big clubs in Europe, United is just such a logical next step for him, but we are in a mess right now and perhaps he is put off by this, but even so City would be a complete diversion from the path I thought he'd take personally.
I saw a video on YouTube earlier from outside OT, where the 'reporter' was asking United fans whether they'd want Mourinho, Guardiola or stick with LVG and most of them said stick with LVG....are we seeing this completely differently to everyone else or did they somehow find a handful of the only United supporters who can't see how poor we're becoming?
The thing for me is, sure, we could see how things go this season and see who's available at the end of the season and I'm afraid that I think that's precisely what we'll do, but by then there's likely to be nobody out there who can make the impact we'll need and, even if there is, how long will it take this squad to recover from the damage which will have been done? It's not just that we're playing poorly, everyone looks like they're low on confidence and the ethos of slow, methodical passing with no vision or flair will be hard to just shake off.
The thing for me is, sure, we could see how things go this season and see who's available at the end of the season and I'm afraid that I think that's precisely what we'll do, but by then there's likely to be nobody out there who can make the impact we'll need and, even if there is, how long will it take this squad to recover from the damage which will have been done? It's not just that we're playing poorly, everyone looks like they're low on confidence and the ethos of slow, methodical passing with no vision or flair will be hard to just shake off.
City have lost more games than us.
I know they've won more and drawn less too before that's replied.
I know they've won more and drawn less too before that's replied.
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