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LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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As I said, the fault purely lies with him. Now if you want to consider our spend to be 30 mil or 230 mil, it's up to you, but he has failed massively in terms of leaving our squad prepared for such a long season.
He won't get past Boxing day whatever happens if you ask me.
I reckon the decision has been made and he knew on the final whistle at Norwich that the game was up. They'll be working out finer details etc
Just a matter of time now. I can't stick Mourinho as a man but the cards have fallen just right for him and the club to get it together now. Imagine him being in our dugout for the Chelsea game. Tasty
If it is Maureen I want some specific clauses re his behaviour and also some sort of commitment to youth included. Difficult I know but essential going forward.
I reckon the decision has been made and he knew on the final whistle at Norwich that the game was up. They'll be working out finer details etc
Just a matter of time now. I can't stick Mourinho as a man but the cards have fallen just right for him and the club to get it together now. Imagine him being in our dugout for the Chelsea game. Tasty
If it is Maureen I want some specific clauses re his behaviour and also some sort of commitment to youth included. Difficult I know but essential going forward.
The Falcao and Di Maria transfers were the most exciting transfers in years however, so I completely accept why we bought them both even though they were wank.
Looking back at his tenure here, I think most will look to his idiotic trust in Wayne Rooney. Obviously not the sole purpose of his downfall, but one that's right up there.
Agree. But it seems we are stuck with a very slow moving and ultra cautious board. Ultimately Ed needs to make the call and one can see why he is putting off the issue and hoping LVG (who was his own hire) can convince otherwise over the next 2 games.
I'll bet Sir Bobby is having a fit over the suggestion of hiring Maureen.
He's not done everything wrong, and I'll give him that.
But even the net argument isnt much of an argument seeing as our recent tormentors (Bournemouth) spent a gross amount of 30 mil improving a championship side, with half of those players injured for our game.
He's assembled a very expensive group of players that should be doing better with.But it is a very good collection of players that hopefully a different manager and a different philosophy will get the best out of.
2 games wont change a thing. He needs to wake up and be more proactive rather than reactive.
Sir Bobby will have to live with it. He got Moyes, that didnt work. Its a new era
Just reading the BBC live news page - and it seems a lot of the newspapers are running with the Mournho to replace LVG story.
I'm not sure that's fair. If LVG goes this week it will be a remarkably swift removal of a manager who not so long ago was being spoken about as possibly worth a contract extension. An incredible turnaround. And I think the swiftness of his removal, if it happens, will partly be because Mourinho is suddenly on the market.
Ed needs to take the first flight out to Munich, bribe the guard, get himself in front of Pep, get on his knees and... beg (or fill in your choice of verb here). Whatever it takes Ed!
I reckon it'll be today, we'll want the usual bounce going into the next two games.
Saying that two good results and he could save his job. I just hope we don't fluke two results and then go back to being awful.
Saying that two good results and he could save his job. I just hope we don't fluke two results and then go back to being awful.
either a desperate cry for attention on a Monday morning or maybe something legit ?
I think Pep has already decided. The comments of Bayern chairman saying it was up to Pep's next club to announce where Pep was going for me seals that.Ed needs to take the first flight out to Munich, bribe the guard, get himself in front of Pep, get on his knees and... beg (or fill in your choice of verb here). Whatever it takes Ed!
Mourinho is not a bad alternative.
In his last five full seasons he's won:
1 Serie A
1 Coppa Italia
1 Champions League
1 Supercoppa Italia
1 La Liga - setting a points record of 101 points.
1 Copa Del Rey
1 Supercopa de Espana
1 Premier League
1 League Cup
The last two he won just last season!
How many other managers have won as much? He's won as many league titles in 5 seasons as Ancelotti has in 20.
Not to mention 3 CL semi-finals (the furthest they'd progressed since 2003) with Madrid and 1 with Chelsea.
The other points are fair enough, I guess, but using a really strange, aberrant three months as evidence of his waning abilities is really myopic.
Also, the point about youth - how many top teams at the moment regularly use a youth player (as in, brought through recently)?
City - er...
Arsenal - Wilshere would, maybe, if he was ever fit, but he's not, so they don't.
PSG - Rabiot is the only one I can think of.
Madrid - Jese, infrequently
Bayern - not sure - Alaba? Does he still count?
Atletico Madrid - Torres and Saul
Dortmund - Hofmann
Juventus - ?
Barca - Sergi Roberto
It's unrealistic to expect the top teams to be replete with youth players. As far as I can see, Mourinho treats the youth players no different than most managers at big clubs.
If we're talking just about young players in general, again, I don't see how Mourinho is much different from most other managers at big clubs. Many players aged 22/23 have made up his starting XIs.
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But doesn't that support my point in that a couple of weeks ago, when we lost to Wolfsburg, the board should have started looking for a replacement instead of sending out leaks that LVG was actually going to get an extension. It's only when Mou became available, and as a result of massive public pressure, that the board is considering (rumours) of making a change. Like many have been saying here, and I agree, why prolong the inevitable as 2 games will not make a difference give we have had a much larger sample (this whole season so far) indicating that LVG will not change his philosophy and our performance is not likely to improve. This is really a no brainer. It's either give it to Mou or get Giggs as caretaker. LVG, as much as people wanted him to succeed (and many people have defended him), has shown that he has been utterly confounded by the rigours and challenges of the PL. This is no shame, as many top managers have not done well in the PL. But the shame is the inexperience shown by the United brass in not realising nor acting upon the problem at a much earlier stage.
New york stock exchange opens at 2.00 pm Bst. It will be very important time, if he survives today, he survives he gets one more game. There are rumours of a sms to a journo by hoek that he will know more at 2.30 PM. All Rumours i must say.
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He can't possibly be that stupid.
If he is, then he should follow Louis out the door.
Not that it will happen. The owners are no more qualified to assess his footballing decisions than he is at making them.
It'll be today, he looked defeated.
I just hope the players remained professional.
I just hope the players remained professional.
Said it in the Rooney thread. That decision has really fecked him. His whole transfer window was based on Rooney getting him goals.
He will go today I think. Mourinho in by Christmas would be wonderful, and utterly bizarre at the same time.
Basically that there will be an update by 2:30 PM once the NYSE opens.
Edit: Also states that Hoek sent an SMS to one of the journos about his.
Probably just means they've woken up.
Signing up Jose is a big call given what has transpired over the past months and the frame of mind he could be in after that.
I'd be surprised if he went today, still expecting him to go after the Chelsea game. Really though it would make more sense to just get it over with now because I don't see how he's going to turn things around for the next couple of games.
I dont think it would be a suprise at all. The new manager need to prepare himself for the transfer window and he would have to turn a trend that is not great at the moment. I guess the players would rise with the signing of Mourinho.
He is gone today. I'm convinced.
What would be the point in firing him before his replacement is lined up ? What has woody done that has classified him as stupid ?
Do people not see the advantages Woodward brings in terms of financial management, stability and growth ? Qualities that are essential to improving the football side of the game ?
We need to surround him with footballing people not replace him. Lets just drop the woodward is stupid narrative as well, he knows alot more than the caf does. The caf has always hated the fact that he is close to Mendes anyway now all of a sudden he's clueless because he knows nothing about football.
All this bullshit about waiting until the NYSE opens, why? We announced Moyes' departure at 0830am.
When did we announce the arrival of Van Gaal?
Because all of the major shareholders have to be informed. When Moyes was fired, the decision to fire him was most likely made before the weekend and all the shareholders was informed. The sacking did not come out of the blue on monday 08:30 for them.
Are you sure? I think the press were briefed that it was happening but the club didn't announce it til pretty late in the day. Considering they then got a lot of stick for leaking it to the press before actually telling him, I doubt they'd go down that route again.
Him becoming available is a game changer though surely? Sacking people is all very well but you need to have a plan for who is coming in. What all this says to me is that the board don't think Giggs is ready (if he'll ever be)
Anyway it's all conjecture as is this supposed 2 game ultimatum. It may well be there's no such thing and that the decision has been made already.
About a week later I think, but not quite sure on that.
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