He wasn't sacked the first time at Barca...
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I think we all know we have to buy and that's a positive. It will come at the expense of youth but I think the club will make a point about certain kids the club values. I think sadly, we've seen that the premiership is a mans league in general. Jose probably threw the acorns harder then he implies to lower morale 
I think if he get's the United job, he will be here a long time because there won't be as much interference and folks won't mind so much the club showing ambition. There's plenty of question marks but if he reanimates this corpse of a team, he will have done a great job.
I hire him now. It seems pointless giving LVG two games right? He could win both and then lost ten on the spin. Even when most of the players were fit, we weren't flowing naturally. I know people want Pep but he's got a short fuse too and there are rarely any certainties. It just so happens, the time seems about right now. And get Keane in to scare the players and bring back standards. Some of our lads have no pride. I don't see anyway demanding better from these players
I think if he get's the United job, he will be here a long time because there won't be as much interference and folks won't mind so much the club showing ambition. There's plenty of question marks but if he reanimates this corpse of a team, he will have done a great job. I hire him now. It seems pointless giving LVG two games right? He could win both and then lost ten on the spin. Even when most of the players were fit, we weren't flowing naturally. I know people want Pep but he's got a short fuse too and there are rarely any certainties. It just so happens, the time seems about right now. And get Keane in to scare the players and bring back standards. Some of our lads have no pride. I don't see anyway demanding better from these players
He'd have a crack at Pellegrini and Guardiola though. It'll be interesting seeing a united manager indulging in mind games again.
Ancelotti has been sacked twice outside of Italy too. Mourinho sacked twice by Chelsea too. Managers get sacked by the bigger clubs, what a shock. Btw, I'm not defending van Gaal, I believe van Gaal should be sacked this week.
For me, mind games only work from a position of strength, so if he's doing that and getting results, I wont mind.
As for Guardiola, he had him rattled last time. As long as it never gets personal (its just a game afterall), it will be interesting to see their rivalry renewed.
With the new premiership money and improved quality of managers, may even help English clubs challenge again in Europe.
Imagine if Mourinho can get us back to where we were and Pep goes to City and builds them. The rivalry would be massive. I'd be interested to know if SAF had spoken to Jose over the past few days regarding the United job. Would be an interesting conversation.
As for van Gaal, I kind of feel sorry for him that his last job is (looking likely to be) a failure. Can't be easy for him, after having won a lot and being successful, going out like this.
As for van Gaal, I kind of feel sorry for him that his last job is (looking likely to be) a failure. Can't be easy for him, after having won a lot and being successful, going out like this.
Mourinho can do it in 3 years.
True.
I share this feeling but at the same time LVG should blame only himself. He could spend huge transfer sums and ended up with one of the worst forwards in the league as his main man in attack. Crazy.
Hopefully Woody is waiting for him to arrive at Carrington this morning
I want Mourinho asap, but I wouldn't call LvG a failure. There are plenty of positives to look back to, but I'll leave that for a different thread.
I think the timing won't be better than now for a change:
I think the timing won't be better than now for a change:
- tight league
- we're still in reach
- top manager available
- an underperforming squad with potential
- Jose would have half a year headstart ahead of Pep and Simeone
- Jose could spend and fill the cracks in January
Wow pretty short tenures, didn't realise
All of the tweets and FB posts by official club accounts are only getting 'sack LvG' or 'Hire Mourinho' responses! Really difficult to see club ignoring it for long. There are no indicators of things changing on pitch as well so turnaround in opinion of fans is also not on cards.
Not enough smoke for him to be 'fired' today. Ah well.
No hire Pep messages then?
Nope. Almost 80-90% are sack LvG and rest are about getting Mou. Maybe because even those who prefer Pep have almost made peace with Pep not coming here. Or the fact that nobody wants to carry on with LvG for even one more game and only Mou is available right now.
Edit: there are calls for Pep in summer though on social media elsewhere but not in responses I saw to some tweets/FB posts.
His position is untenable. Leaking to the press if he loses any of the next two games just adds to that. How can you work under that? What happens after that if he does get four points? I still think he'll be sacked sometime this week, I'd imagine the delay will be if Guardiola hints he could be interested, we have a big decision to make then.
Well I'm confident that he's on the brink, but I don't think the club cares one iota about social media reaction. It's the reason for the reaction that'll see him sacked.
His biggest failure is our attack. Once RVP, Falcao, Hernandez and Wilson (possibly Di Maria and Nani as well) were let go everyone questioned why we had only Rooney and Fellaini (!) as forward options. I said back at the start of the season that Van Gaal was betting everything on Rooney and it's been a huge mistake. Imagine if we hadn't brought in Martial, he'd probably have been sacked already.
It's been said already, but very few managers come back from the "X number of games to save his job" thing (if true obviously). Even if he goes four or five unbeaten the next time we lose the knives would be out.
I'm not at all convinced Mourinho is the right fit for the club for a number of reasons:
-His declining return in the past 5 or 6 seasons
-His style of football
-His approach to youth
-His declining success in the market
-The bruising experience he's coming off at Chelsea
but, at this moment in time, the devil we know doesn't look like he has any chance of winning us a league in his time here, so maybe the chance is worth taking if we can't get Pep.
I'm not at all convinced Mourinho is the right fit for the club for a number of reasons:
-His declining return in the past 5 or 6 seasons
-His style of football
-His approach to youth
-His declining success in the market
-The bruising experience he's coming off at Chelsea
but, at this moment in time, the devil we know doesn't look like he has any chance of winning us a league in his time here, so maybe the chance is worth taking if we can't get Pep.
I can't believe he's still in the job. I have no desire to watch Stoke and Chelsea games with him in charge.
aint happening today, is it?
Think I have convinced myself that it's happening soon that I would be gutted if he was in the dugout against Stoke. Lost all hope with him.
If we do keep him and do poorly in the next 2 games, I'll blame the board more than Van Gaal.He's proven that he's not up to it, but the board that allows him to continue will be equally as culpable. Put the poor guy out of his misery.
Think I have convinced myself that it's happening soon that I would be gutted if he was in the dugout against Stoke. Lost all hope with him.
If we do keep him and do poorly in the next 2 games, I'll blame the board more than Van Gaal.He's proven that he's not up to it, but the board that allows him to continue will be equally as culpable. Put the poor guy out of his misery.
Wait for it. Could still happen.
We heard Rodgers had 2 games to save his job but that time was used to get the contract sorted with Klopp and the decision had already been made, regardless of results that he could've got in those 2 games. I think the same thing will happen here.
Everyone banging on about spending all that money this summer we need to remember the net spend was only about 30m after all our outgoings. It's not like we've Spunked 200m flat out and sold no one, we sold loads and let go of loads of players in the summer as well I think people tend to forget that.
Sure we've spent alot but it's not been buying everyone we can get out hands on its been a rebuild OK the Di Maria transfer was a disaster but other signings have been very sound I think. This summers additions were very good indeed I don't think the money should be a brush to tarnish him with as the transfer dealings haven't been quite as bad as people are making out.
Obviously the main downfall has been the way we are playing and the results which is fair enough but the "He's spent 200m" thing dissent wash with me.
Sure we've spent alot but it's not been buying everyone we can get out hands on its been a rebuild OK the Di Maria transfer was a disaster but other signings have been very sound I think. This summers additions were very good indeed I don't think the money should be a brush to tarnish him with as the transfer dealings haven't been quite as bad as people are making out.
Obviously the main downfall has been the way we are playing and the results which is fair enough but the "He's spent 200m" thing dissent wash with me.
Does anyone think we're getting positive results in our next two games? I don't. I doubt the higher ups at the club feel much different either, why would they.
With Arsenal playing City tonight, it means we might still be close enough for a challenge especially if they draw.
Those two extra games could deal us a serious blow and by the end of them, Chelsea might only be 5 points behind us. I'm thinking of a life Post Van Gaal, cause we cant afford to extend this terrible run. Expect 0 or 1 point if we keep him.
Net spend is a facile argument. It doesn't matter where the money came from. All that matters is that it was spent. Even when you factor in like it's important you need to point out the reason it is as low as that is because Di Maria flopped and had to be sold again. It's not exactly a good thing as it's simply throwing good money after bad. He has spent that money. That he has recouped some of it and in doing so left the squad too short is not a good thing.
The last point may actually work in his favour. He will have a burning desire to prove to everyone again that he is one of the best managers of this era.
That post match interview did me in and I feel sorry for him. He seemed so proud to be our manager and I really like him but it hasn't worked at all.
He needs to go now and enjoy his retirement
He needs to go now and enjoy his retirement
Woody has done incredibly well not overpaying for players this window (Martial aside), so he deserves a lot of that net spending fee credit too.
He's obviously had money to spend and has one of the top 5 most expensive squads in Europe. That's why people keep saying that, cause we should be doing better especially considering the sides we are struggling against. Its not the Bayern , Barcas or Real's we are struggling against.
As for signings, I really do think he's made a number of good signings, he just doesnt seem to know how to use them . But as he's not a Dof but rather our manager, thus is simply not good enough.
how the feck does Jose have declining success in the market ?
He made 3 signings and won the league lol
He made 3 signings and won the league lol
The sums we recouped from the sales is for players who were no longer wanted. It is not like we had to sell Ronaldo to finance new deals. So the net spend point is moot.
He's trying to replace players who's time was up here at OT like Rafa, Nani, RVP etc and one you let big earners go you simply have to replace them.
Look at the players brought in this summer, which of them did people disapprove of when they were signed? The only one I can remember being poo pooed was Martial for the money and Romero and it turns out Martial has been by far the best out of them all. Depay looked like a masterstroke but obviously hasn't found his feet yet and look at the midfield signings of Schneiderlin and Schwein both looked brilliant and I think they are both very good players.
OK I admit we've left ourselves short up top and at the back but all in all the transfers were very well done and didn't cost the earth it's just the fact that most of squad needed changing up.
I felt the Norwich result just broke him. It is sad to see his managerial career coming to an end with a sacking. The guy did deserve a good farewell but unfortunately things didn't work out for him here.
And whose fault was it that he decided to place his faith in Rooney and not beef up our attacking options?
That's what im saying I'm not saying he shouldn't be under scrutiny for our shit form in simply saying the money argument isn't one that's as bad as its made out to be. We needed to spend the money and did very well mostly but unfortunately he's got them playing like a pub team at the moment.
It's amazing how quickly things go wrong. The last minute winner against Watford and things weren't looking too bad, even the draw at Leicester wasn't a terrible result.
Never said that wasn't a mistake and never said it was the perfect window but all in all the money he's spent has been well spent apart from the Falcao and Di Maria transfers which were awful.
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