Loan him out, see how he plays with less pressure on him.
Luke Shaw nearer to Manchester United exit [The Times]
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Neither of us are privvy to what happens in training, so you can't make that point. What's ridiculous is that we're playing Ashley Young in 2017 and that we've extended his contract so he'll potentially still be playing for us in 2019. Like I said, Ashley Young is not the future for our LB position and that's a 100% guarantee.
Everyone in the squad has seen him at his best. It's not like he's some random from the park. I'm sure they all want him to get back to that level. The only competition for the place is Young. I hardly think he'd complain. Do you think the squad appreciate Mkhi playing shit week in week out and still getting picked?
If you both want to make these arguments, there needs to be consistency from the manager. Who cares if Mkhi plays like Messi in training if he plays like a turd on game day?
No one is claiming Young to be the future LB, what we both know whether you like it or not, is that Shaw isnt applying himself properly, I never rated sure as an attacking LB, he doesn't know when to make runs / Make enough space between himself and the LW ,Ashley Young does.
I can tell you what, I bet no one can tell me a game where Shaw played better than Young in that left back position.
Shaw does defend well,with that said in my eyes he is more of a traditional left back.
Try telling that to Antonio Valencia who suffered a similar injury.
Came back and in his first full season back was our player of the year. He was also as strong and as fast as before.
The reason for that : he worked hard on his fitness unlike a certain player who has had questions over his fitness even before the injury.
Neither is Luke Shaw.
If he is, then why have various managers commented on his effort and application? If it was one manager, then maybe you could put it down to something else, but it isn't.
As for Young, if he's performing better than Shaw currently, who cares? We will bring in a specialist LB, I'm sure. Hopefully, one who isn't a waste of space.
He isn't the only player to have his leg broken, that was over two years ago, there were questionmarks and problems with his fitness prior to the injury too.
Again, this shit is Anderson all over again, at least with Anderson people admitted that he's a clown and that we 'should keep him' for meme purposes.
It's over for him unfortunately. Unlike when Fergie was able to carry the likes of Anderson we don't have the luxury to accommodate passengers who aren't willing to put the basic work in, which without knowing the ins and outs seems to be the situation with Shaw.
I was a big fan and desperate for him to make it here but if we can get £20m we should cut our losses.
I was a big fan and desperate for him to make it here but if we can get £20m we should cut our losses.
We surely aren’t going to get £20 million for him. Even in today’s market, a left back has to at least be in the team from time to time to justify that sort of fee.
The only way we get that much for him would be if he goes on loan and looks impressive. Otherwise, I think he’s in the £5 million - £10 million range currently.
The only way we get that much for him would be if he goes on loan and looks impressive. Otherwise, I think he’s in the £5 million - £10 million range currently.
Has stolen a living at this club.
I remember when we signed him and people were justifying the fee by saying that he could be here for the next 10 years, meaning a fee of £3m per year. It could still happen mind you, however unlikely that looks right now. With that in mind, I suppose it's normal that people will rationalise his departure.
In my personal opinion it's not so easy to direct the blame. Shaw has a history suggesting he may not be mentally ready/capable. Mourinho has a history of mismanagement of players, some of which have gone on to become class players. I would like to give both the benefit of the doubt. Let's not automatically assume that he's gone just yet. I was under the impression that is the make or break season for Shaw, and he's struggling to get a starting place in the team never mind playing consistently 90-mins each week. So if he turns it around it'll be some feat.
In my personal opinion it's not so easy to direct the blame. Shaw has a history suggesting he may not be mentally ready/capable. Mourinho has a history of mismanagement of players, some of which have gone on to become class players. I would like to give both the benefit of the doubt. Let's not automatically assume that he's gone just yet. I was under the impression that is the make or break season for Shaw, and he's struggling to get a starting place in the team never mind playing consistently 90-mins each week. So if he turns it around it'll be some feat.
So Spurs, Chelsea, City and Arsenal would all be interested apparently..
Lots of talk about some kind of a swap deal with Spurs for Danny Rose, but if Arsenal want Shaw, couldn't we explore the possibility of a deal that involved Sanchez coming to us..?
Lots of talk about some kind of a swap deal with Spurs for Danny Rose, but if Arsenal want Shaw, couldn't we explore the possibility of a deal that involved Sanchez coming to us..?
No, because he's going to City.
Straight swap? Their names both begin with S so they're basically the same
I understand £20m is pushing it for a player who is doing nothing, but in a sellers' market I'd like to see us driving a hard bargain. Considering the talk of Jose needing to sell before he buys we need to hold out for the best fees, and we shouldn't be potentially strengthening another PL team on the cheap.
People still thinking we have a chance of getting Sanchez.......why?
Think it's more along the line of City don't need him remotely. He wouldn't improve them.
Whether we think they need him or not is pretty irrelevant. They bid for him and their bid was accepted. Arsenal Arsenal'd the deal up but it's going to happen, either next window, or on a free at the end of the season.
When was the last time a swap deal of any kind happened in a football transfer at this level?
Lukaku/Rooney would be comparable to Shaw/Sanchez
I think that's a stretch, they were announced separately because they weren't dependent on each other to secure the deal.
If we didn't sign Lukaku, Everton still would have gotten Rooney. I don't think that can be classified as a swap.
Because he will be leaving to go somewhere, and to the best of my knowledge, that destination hasn't yet been confirmed.
Who knows, maybe we could pull another 'Lukaku' type surprise out of the hat..!!
We have a big squad that is bloated with players not contributing. Shaw is one example. Nobody will miss him when he leaves, whether it be in Jan or the summer.
I think he means in terms of respective abilities / worth.
To add, I never suggested a straight swap deal.
If Wenger is adamant he doesn't want Sanchez to to go to Mourinho/United, maybe his stance could be softened if Shaw was allowed to go to Arsenal.
Who is the last player who we sold and ripped up elsewhere. People need to get a grip. The likelihood of him making it at the top level are remote
not many but Pogba and Pique would spring to mind. There's also examples of squad players leaving us on the cheap then their value soaring not long after. Micheal Keane left us for peanuts then signs for Everton in 25 million deal. The same with Evans, left us for around 8 miliion then City 2 seasons later looking to spend 20 million on him. Shaw could come into that category of Evans and Keane, ie not good enough for us, but end up selling him on the cheap. On aside note I'd have kept Evans. It seems Utd are clearly trying to reduce their wage bill, I hope we don't get burned on transfer fees. Right now Shaw is damaged goods, and I think that will be reflected in his transfer fee.
Think I agree with this.
Pogba wasn’t sold. He left. Even pique we didn’t really sell because he wasn’t good. He left to get playtime
Neither of Evans and Keane are really tearing up anything. Evans is thriving at WBA with the set up pulis has and Keane is part of a defense that’s battling relegation right now.
not sure what your point is. We sold both Pogba and Pique, didn't get a lot of money for either, but we got some. My point was we don't seem to get good transfer fees on players we let go. We let Pique go funny enough because we had Evans. Keane left for around 2 million, next season he signs for 25 million for Everton, that's my point.You are using terms like "ripped up" "tearing it up". What do they even mean. What would call what Pogba did at Juve or Pique at Barcelona. Evans is "thriving" but not "tearing" it up, do defenders really do that anyway?
My concern with Shaw is we sell for low fee, he goes somewhere and maybe fulfills his potential, god forbid he "tears it up" somewhere.
I think the biggest problem you will find with selling him will be his wage demands. We faced this problem with a few players and the result was reduced transfer fees or players just not being able to be sold. At 130k per week no team will want to go near that for a player who at this point I would say their ability/potential is unknown. If there is a huge pay cut to go with the transfer can see him just staying for the last year of his contract. If he is sold, agree it will be in the 5-10 million range.
5-10 mil? You boys mad? His wages? He is still young and he is English and will count as homegrown. And that counts for something in England, right? 5-10? No. Either club that wants him give us 15-20, he cuts his wages if necessery, or he rots in the stands no playing, no WC, no carier. That is is he wants to play and have some sort of football life.
I'm tired of us selling players for peanuts, while other clubs sell absolute crap fo 30,40 millions. Believe Mourinho won't sell cheap.
Or maybe I'm wrong. Happened before. Lol.
And only thing he will "tear it up" somwhere else, will be wraping paper of his BigMac. Such a dissapointment, this young man.
I'm tired of us selling players for peanuts, while other clubs sell absolute crap fo 30,40 millions. Believe Mourinho won't sell cheap.
Or maybe I'm wrong. Happened before. Lol.
And only thing he will "tear it up" somwhere else, will be wraping paper of his BigMac. Such a dissapointment, this young man.
This. I assume people thought the same when Schneiderlin left and he's still a midtable level player since he left. Some are just overrating these kinds of players and thought the only problem they have is us, while the fact they're just mediocre players suited for midtable clubs hence struggle here.
Dont care about the selling price at all. I care about who replaces him!
Sooner he goes the better,
It amazes me that people still want him in our lineup!, We've had 3 managers since this guy joined and none of them wanted him in our first team.
Clearly, he doesn't work hard in training and doesn't want it much as we think.
It amazes me that people still want him in our lineup!, We've had 3 managers since this guy joined and none of them wanted him in our first team.
Clearly, he doesn't work hard in training and doesn't want it much as we think.
I agree. Luke Shaw may have the potential of Messi for all you know but if you're not delivering for your club, it means nothing. Please have him replaced. Baring in mind that Valencia had a similar injury and has come back strong. Zlatan has had his injury too and despite his age, his hunger for the game hasn't diminished. Luke Shaw just doesn't show that sort of hunger to go out and play.
Loan him out. If he does moderately to decent for the other club, we'll easily get 20-25M for him.
I would still like to see Shaw doing well for us, but if Jose isn't going to play him, then he needs to go and we need a replacement. In the end it doesn't matter why he isn't playing.
Fergie wanted to hold on to Pique, but the player wanted away, so he allowed him to go back home. We got five million for him, I think. Pogba rejected a good offer, ran down his contract, and left as a free agent. We got a few hundred grand 'compensation' due to our role in his development, but no fee.
Pogba wasn't strictly sold but you get the point.Both players left as they weren't getting game time, simple as that.