Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...

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Do people even know If Coentrao is available? He's been a regular for Real Madrid this season and I doubt they'll let him go.
 
We have to play with the rules which state that we have to have a number of British players in our midst. Now since British talent is rare, then we simply have to get these gems to OT.

I don't mind if we pay extra to get Shaw. He's young, very talented and by being British there's less chance he fecks off next time Real comes knocking at our door.
 
devilish said:
We have to play with the rules which state that we have to have a number of British players in our midst. Now since British talent is rare, then we simply have to get these gems to OT.

I don't mind if we pay extra to get Shaw. He's young, very talented and by being British there's less chance he fecks off next time Real comes knocking at our door.
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Yes, got to agree with this. Highly important to get these special British talents - just like it was with Rio & Rooney.
 
SirAF said:
Yes, got to agree with this. Highly important to get these special British talents - just like it was with Rio & Rooney.
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I was always critical to the British 'proven' talent BS that see our team being stocked by overrated and overpriced players such as Ashley Young. You can get a foreigner who is cheaper, better and with a lesser salary then him. However god forbid if there is a special British talent like Shaw and we don't attempt to get him at OT. If things go as they should do this guy can give us 13-15 years of good football and he'll do that without dreaming of being in Madrid or Barcelona. That's worth every penny we pay above the rumored 10-15m+ we would have to pay for another foreign left back.
 
30mil is enough to persuade most clubs to part with their first choice left-back. It's crazy money. True he's a hot prospect, but potential does not always translate to a great career.

Where's Micah Richards nowadays?
 
fatboy said:
30mil is enough to persuade most clubs to part with their first choice left-back. It's crazy money. True he's a hot prospect, but potential does not always translate to a great career.

Where's Micah Richards nowadays?
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Anything above the 30m mark would be crazy.
 
Shark said:
He's one of the hottest prospects in English football right now, so he's certainly proven something. You only have to use your eyes to see that he's an excellent footballer already. One that will only improve and could be with for the better part of 15 years.
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He's been quite incredible for his age. At the same time, signing him for huge money after a good season or so does involve a fair bit of risk. It would be less of a risk if he was 22 and had 3/4 good seasons under his belt.
 
30m i s the standard price for top talent. I don't really know what's all this moaning about. When we missed out on players because of a few millions everyone moaned but now you don't want to spend? I'm sure these same people would be crying and blaming the Glazers if we don't up our bid and another club signs him for a few more millions.
 
fatboy said:
30mil is enough to persuade most clubs to part with their first choice left-back. It's crazy money. True he's a hot prospect, but potential does not always translate to a great career.

Where's Micah Richards nowadays?
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There's no doubt 30 million is a shit ton of money for a fullback, but Shaw is special and has more brain cells than Richards has ever had. I think the fact that he's only 18 is actually underrating him. He's mostly referred to as just a prospect, even though he's already better than Evra in my opinion and would be an instant upgrade.
 
devilish said:
Anything above the 30m mark would be crazy.
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We definitely don't need to spend big on the left back position. It's a position teams tend to get good players at decent fees without eating into their budget. But there is a big pay-off if Shaw fulfills his potential in that he is suited to the English game and can sort out a position for a decade.
 
Left back is an important area for our squad. If we'd like to play with a creative player at left wing, as we will have to if we are going to keep Rooney, Mata, Kagawa around, then we'll need the left back to provide width and penetration on the outside, as Evra has been doing (on his good days). Imagine how much better this season might have gone if we had someone like Baines at left back; it might have even made Young look good.

[Edit] Just to add: That thing we do where we have the ball in the area around the opposition box and we pass it around the midfielders/wingers with the striker being marked out and isolated up top, that's the phase of play where you'd want either a central midfielder to break forward or a fullback to make a run. We all know about our central midfield, and we've seen how Smalling doesn't have an attacking bone in his body.
 
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We have to overpay because he is English and they know we have loads of money burning a hole in our pocket.
 
We should try and get the best available player in every position, money doesn't come into it.
 
fatboy said:
30mil is enough to persuade most clubs to part with their first choice left-back. It's crazy money. True he's a hot prospect, but potential does not always translate to a great career.

Where's Micah Richards nowadays?
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Probably at a random train station singing the Michael Carrick song.
 
kps88 said:
We have to overpay because he is English and they know we have loads of money burning a hole in our pocket.
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I don't think we're over paying to be honest. He's 18 and if we get 3 seasons out of him he's been more than worth it. He is by far one of the top 3 left backs in the Premier League and he can only improve when playing for a team like United. Plus, we have a history of having an English/British spine to our team so it keeps with our traditions.

I think we should get this deal done ASAP, whatever the money. There aren't many decent left backs around that are willing to leave their clubs either. He's just what we need.
 
I'm just amazed that in the entire world of football, the only noteworthy left-backs in the past year or so seem to be Coentrao, Leighton Baines and Luke Shaw. I mean, how do the rest of the clubs play decent attacking football without the much vaunted overlapping left back?

30 mil. Madness. Southampton must be having a laugh.
 
fatboy said:
I'm just amazed that in the entire world of football, the only noteworthy left-backs in the past year or so seem to be Coentrao, Leighton Baines and Luke Shaw. I mean, how do the rest of the clubs play decent attacking football without the much vaunted overlapping left back?

30 mil. Madness. Southampton must be having a laugh.
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There's plenty of exciting and talented left backs apart from those 3, there's Rodriguez and Moreno, both who'd be half the price or Shaw.
 
Both who aren't as good as Shaw, either.
 
pascell said:
There's plenty of exciting and talented left backs apart from those 3, there's Rodriguez and Moreno, both who'd be half the price or Shaw.
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Who knows how much those two would cost or that they would even want to join us. Wolfsburg are a rich club who recently spent good money Gustavo and De Bruyne. They might hold out for a big fee as well.
 
crossy1686 said:
I don't think we're over paying to be honest. He's 18 and if we get 3 seasons out of him he's been more than worth it. He is by far one of the top 3 left backs in the Premier League and he can only improve when playing for a team like United. Plus, we have a history of having an English/British spine to our team so it keeps with our traditions.

I think we should get this deal done ASAP, whatever the money. There aren't many decent left backs around that are willing to leave their clubs either. He's just what we need.
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Oh come on. 10m a year (plus wages) for a left-back? We need an LB but it's not THAT important a position.

I'm all for buying him though - if this doesn't mean we'll try to penny-pinch on CM.
 
I think Luke Shaw would be a great signing. If he costs close to 30m, I think it'll be worth it in the long run. We could get 15 years out of him at the top level. We have been severely lacking defensively for the last few years in that position.
 
Siorac said:
Oh come on. 10m a year (plus wages) for a left-back? We need an LB but it's not THAT important a position.

I'm all for buying him though - if this doesn't mean we'll try to penny-pinch on CM.
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Wing play is an important part of the way we play (If we're going to stick to that) even if we don't it offers us another option going forward. We've been spoiled by Evra over the years (not so much recently) but attacking full backs are essential for any team with ambition.

Shaw fits the mold perfectly which is why the price may be so high. They know we need him.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Berba and Young were bad comparisons to be fair. They weren't exactly bought for long term potential. The Shaw transfer should be compared to Rio, Rooney and probably even Jones.
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The same arguments were made, he is english, will adapt to the league. If you want to look at long term potential, why not look at nani,anderson? Look at every season how hyped some of the english players are, only to fade into mediocrity.

Both rio and rooney were a lot more established than Shaw.
 
fatboy said:
I'm just amazed that in the entire world of football, the only noteworthy left-backs in the past year or so seem to be Coentrao, Leighton Baines and Luke Shaw. I mean, how do the rest of the clubs play decent attacking football without the much vaunted overlapping left back?

30 mil. Madness. Southampton must be having a laugh.
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By that logic it's never worth paying top dollar for a player - there are so many footballers out there, that there's always a cheaper alternative.

We're not spending this money because he'sthe only noteworthy left-back. We're spending it because we've identified him as our first choice left-back "in the entire world of football". You might be happy for us to settle for somebody OK, but I'd rather we pressed ahead and got our no1 target, even if he costs a lot.
 
Siorac said:
Oh come on. 10m a year (plus wages) for a left-back? We need an LB but it's not THAT important a position.

I'm all for buying him though - if this doesn't mean we'll try to penny-pinch on CM.
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While not the point he's making, it's worth pointing out that if we got 3 years out of him he'd still have huge resale value at 21 years old and therein lies the key as to why it's not such a big risk paying £30m for a young English fullback.
 
MJJ said:
The same arguments were made, he is english, will adapt to the league. If you want to look at long term potential, why not look at nani,anderson? Look at every season how hyped some of the english players are, only to fade into mediocrity.

Both rio and rooney were a lot more established than Shaw.
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Rio yes Rooney not really.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
LB is not an important position now?
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There's some absolute nonsense being spouted out by posters way too concerned about what the club can and cannot afford to spend. It's often the case.

LB is a very important position for the way we play as a team and you only have to look at how many goals we've been conceding from attacks down that side in recent seasons to see how much we need somebody that can actually defend, not just run up the wing.
 
Pexbo said:
While not the point he's making, it's worth pointing out that if we got 3 years out of him he'd still have huge resale value at 21 years old and therein lies the key as to why it's not such a big risk paying £30m for a young English fullback.
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Well if he does progress and perform as expected. He could turn out to be an Anderson though who has zero resale value at 26 and never justified his fee.

It's a gamble, a huge one at that. I don't see why we can't just admit that. Clubs sometimes must gamble so if we have faith in the guy then let's pay what we have to. Just not at the expense of central midfield which is far more important.
 
Plugsy said:
£31.56m and not a penny more.
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That's crazy money, wouldn't go higher than £31.34m myself.

Why would we want to spend a few million more on a top talent, when we could use that money on the next Obertan, Taibi, or Djemba-Djemba?
 
fatboy said:
I'm just amazed that in the entire world of football, the only noteworthy left-backs in the past year or so seem to be Coentrao, Leighton Baines and Luke Shaw. I mean, how do the rest of the clubs play decent attacking football without the much vaunted overlapping left back?

30 mil. Madness. Southampton must be having a laugh.
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Fully agreed. I hope Southampton reject the 30 million and we can be done with this farce.
 
Yeah Rooney played at the Euros but you also have to consider that Shaw will be going to the world cup. He won't start but that's because we have Baines. Rooney was competing with Vassell and Heskey for the spot next to Owen.
 
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