In the grand scheme of things, there isn't a great deal of difference between the quoted original offer and this quoted new offer.
Obviously there should be a limit though
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Obviously there should be a limit though
£30m seems a lot up front. But remember it will not be paid up front. There'll be more clauses in there than you can shake a stick at.
Also factor in that if things go right we could get 15 years out of him. That's £2m per year.
Would you pay £30m right now for an 18 year old Ryan Giggs or Paul Scholes?
Also factor in that if things go right we could get 15 years out of him. That's £2m per year.
Would you pay £30m right now for an 18 year old Ryan Giggs or Paul Scholes?
Mata is our record signing at 37 million. Shaw's stock is set crazily high from Southampton.
Considering Jamie Jackson is the only one saying bid rejected then i would file under "horseshit".
He doesn't have a clue.
He doesn't have a clue.
3 million puts him around the second most expensive player we have ever bought mark. Crazy price.
Would you pay £30m for the new Kyle Walker? It's not guaranteed he will become the player we think he can. It's a risky transfer, he is a good player and has the talent and i believe he will be our starting left back for years to come if we actually sign him but it's a lot of money for a 18 years old english lad. If you told me he will be the next Ashley Cole i would even pay £35m for him. If you told me he will be the next Leighton Baines i wouldn't pay more than £20m for him. Both options are likely, we'll have to see.
you wouldn't pay 30 million for a 18 year old leighton Baines? Moyes was willing to pay 20 for a 30 year old one
It's a crazy fee
With Rio and Rooney you were buying guaranteed quality for at least 10 years - Rio had played in the CL and both in international tournaments
You couldnt say Shaw had anywhere near the experience or has been tested at the highest level
To think we paid 5.5 million for Evra who had played in a CL final
With Rio and Rooney you were buying guaranteed quality for at least 10 years - Rio had played in the CL and both in international tournaments
You couldnt say Shaw had anywhere near the experience or has been tested at the highest level
To think we paid 5.5 million for Evra who had played in a CL final
Of course it's crazy. He's fresh into a long-term deal there. United are a bit of a mess and every man and his dog know they want to spend big. The squad needs new players - again something everyone knows. English tax, promising player tax, Manchester United tax etc etc. It adds millions, no matter who they pursue to bring in, the quantity of sterling will go up and up.
I'm not saying 30m or 27m isn't crazy - I'm saying in the grand scheme of things it wouldn't be such a big deal to increase the offer to that much if that's what it takes, taking into consideration the idea that we opened with a £27m bid.
Nope. I would look for a better and more talented player. 30m is huge amount of money.
If money is actually important, I'd buy coentrao for half or 2/3 the price and throw the rest on CMs.
If the money was that important we would'n't be throwing 30m at a position that's not first or second priority and its because of this I think we're gonna shock Europe with our transfer dealings this summer.
Last year people were complaining we missed out on all the big targets because of the Glazers refusing to give us the necessary transfer budget. Now people are complaining because we are potentially spending too much on one of the most talented young players in the world..
I hope so brother.
That's false economy though.
Let's say they play til 32, that's £3m a year for Coentrao and £1.9m a year for Shaw.
To be fair I think we shocked Europe with our transfer dealings last summer too.
Unfortunately times have changed and if you want the best players to come, you need to overspend in order to acquire them, or you simply miss out. As much as people respect and admire Manchester United, money is still the biggest attraction. At the end of the day it's a footballer's source of income, it's work. Now and again you come across somebody like RVP who is willing to say no to the likes of City in order to play for a club like Manchester United, but unfortunately such players are rare in today's society. We obviously need major improvement this summer, and if we want to challenge for the title again, we simply have to spend a lot. I'm quite confident the likes of Shaw will justify their transfer price to some extend over the years. 18 years old, oozes talent, eager to improve and was arguably the best left back in the most competitive football league in the world this year. Having said that, I do believe our scouting network has not been that impressive recently, compared to the likes of Dortmund.Welcome to Red Cafe. Where people find anything conceivable to moan about.
With the new TV deal prices between English clubs are always going to be inflated. Southampton will get 70m+ this year in TV revenue which is double Bayern Munich's TV deal. It's not a bad decision on their part to hold onto players like Shaw/Lallana and guarantee they stay in the top flight for the next 5 years and continue to rake in the huge revenue. 30m is a fine price for someone with Shaw's potential.
We spend and it's a moan. We don't spend at it's a moan. The club can afford it so what's the problem? It won't be £30m straight up either.
I agree completely. In the early days of the CAF, people questioned whether it was worth spending nearly £30m on Rio. I think Shaw will in retrospect be considered an excellent deal for 30 today, if he manages a decade or 15 years of top football at OT. He's just the type of player we should be pursuing.
True but it's still a substantial outlay on a guy who's relatively unproven compared with one I'm pretty sure would be great.
Plus I'm quite concerned with the short term outlook too..
£30 million 10 years ago got you guaranteed success or as close to it as possible, but the game has moved on and now it just buys huge potential. If you don't want to take the risk then you probably get left behind because there are so many clubs willing to pay it.
Shaw has two seasons of Premier League under his belt while we have no idea how Coentrao might adapt. Nor do we know how he might perform without that relentless attack ahead of him.
There's unknowns in every transfer. I think the most important thing is that whoever is brought in gets Van Gaals total faith and a proper run in his best position alongside a settled defense. Chopping and changing does no good to anyone.
He's one of the hottest prospects in English football right now, so he's certainly proven something. You only have to use your eyes to see that he's an excellent footballer already. One that will only improve and could be with for the better part of 15 years.
The price concerns me a bit. However you look at it, 30 million is a lot for an 18 year old. He has talent but it's still a risk on whether or not he will fulfill it. If they want anything over 30 then I would look elsewhere. Hopefully it gets done soon though.
Pay whatever they want, there are no better young talents who are as inevitable to be a success around. Just get him.
Fair price for a highly talented, very young Englishmen in a position that is currently scarce of talent, europe-wide it seems.
Great signing. Next...
Great signing. Next...
Indeed. It's about time the club acted as if it's 2014, many of us have been making this point for a while now.
It's 2014, £30m is no longer the huge fee it was a decade ago.
30 million quid for a teenage prodigy at left back? Do it, spend the loot.
Just get the deal done already. I don't want this dragging out all summer.
Ricardo Rodriguez
Why can't we make the sensible purchases, ever?
Coentrao would be the better buy. But no, because he's English we have to get ripped off.
Coentrao would be the better buy. But no, because he's English we have to get ripped off.
There is not even a guarantee Coentrao would want to come. 30m on a talented English teenager is not bad business. Look at how many years of service we got from Rooney and Rio.
He impressed me in that last game against us. Had Januzaj sussed out, looked generally level headed, and was solid defensively in one on one situation, something we've sorely missed with Evra.
He impressed me in that last game against us. Had Januzaj sussed out, looked generally level headed, and was solid defensively in one on one situation, something we've sorely missed with Evra.
Same was said by some about young,berbatov, etc is english, is proven in the league,etc etc
Berbatov is English?
Hmm...I'd pay up to 35.678m. But not a penny more.
Only alternative I would consider over Shaw is Ricardo Rodriguez from Wolfsburg.
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