Shaw has played 58 league matches these last two seasons. And if Baines gets injured or is suspended Shaw would start for England in the World Cup.
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Shaw has played 58 league matches these last two seasons. And if Baines gets injured or is suspended Shaw would start for England in the World Cup.
Rooney had just played in the Euros for England - in fact he was fantastic at the Euros - he was as good as Gazza in Italia 90 when he burst onto the scene
England had a genuine chance of winning had he stayed fit I think - and I'm Irish!
Which is why we are trying to sign Shaw before the World Cup. If Shaw puts that type of performance at the World Cup he would become even more difficult to sign.
He scored some brilliant goals too. Looking back, you feel that he never really fulfilled the potential he had at that time
Rooney wasnt a lot more established than Shaw. And even if he was, that was nearly a decade ago. As for him starring in the Euros, his competition was laughable, compared to Shaw's. Transfer fees have gone on to another level.
one of the goals he scored against Croatia where he blasted through the defence was awesome - so powerful, strong and fast
very similar to the kind of runs you see from Barkley these days.....
Rooney's body changed a bit, he's more muscular and stocky and the pace has left him a bit
Do we really think that a massive club like Utd. has no sense of money? Really, in our case, we need new blood in the squad and as long as money is available we should not worry about it. Its not your "down the street new coffee shop" that might overspend and go bankrupt.
If the club thinks Shaw is worth the investment and said amount is available, then what is the problem? Also, I am pretty sure we have learned a lot since the "Fellaini buy" and if we spend a lot its for someone that the CLUB, including the supposed new manager think is worth it.
We want to buy, but we care about the money, but we are desperate to buy and whine about it and then whine about the fees...
If the club thinks Shaw is worth the investment and said amount is available, then what is the problem? Also, I am pretty sure we have learned a lot since the "Fellaini buy" and if we spend a lot its for someone that the CLUB, including the supposed new manager think is worth it.
We want to buy, but we care about the money, but we are desperate to buy and whine about it and then whine about the fees...
Rooney was the most exciting young forward talent English football had seen in years not just a promising fullback
Shaw is the best young FB I have seen in the league in a long while. Even at 17 he held his own in the league.
I just think that if he would have been a bit more "professional" and worked like Ronaldo, he would be up there in the top 3
No one works like Ronaldo which is why he is Ronaldo.
This. The best since Franny Jeffers.
Yes, Rooney had more international experience. Though by the time he comes to United (if he does), Shaw will at least have been to a World Cup, which ain't bad for an 18 year-old.
If you want the best, you pay the price. I don't see the problem. The market has been inflating for years now, these figures shouldn't surprise anyone anymore.
Look at it this way. £27m is what we paid for Fellaini. So Shaw is a steal at the same money! 
There's probably no point in trying for Contreao and the Wolfsburg player anymore. United have played their hands with the £27m bid and both Wolfsburg & RM who aren't exactly cash strapped will not want anything less, even though before this, either could have probably been acquired for £25m tops imo. Might as well pay or go for a promising talent from a smaller club
You can't compare 30M 10 years ago to 30M now. Real inflation + inflation of football prices means the fees can't be compared that easily.
I don't understand everybody thinking Coentrao would be an easy and cheap signing. He is currently Madrid's first choice left back. Why would they sell? Especially for cheap. Makes no sense.
£30m for a left back seems expensive, but only if you don't examine the details. Firstly, the inflation in transfer fees in recent years. Add to that the fact that he is English and young, which should see him give his next club over a decade of service, and finally, the fact that there are a bunch of clubs that would love to sign him.
The only concern I have about the price is in relation to our overall budget for the summer. Provided the rumours of our spending plans are true, I have no issue. But if spending £30m on Shaw means we have to move away from our initial midfield targets then I'll have a problem with the price.
The only concern I have about the price is in relation to our overall budget for the summer. Provided the rumours of our spending plans are true, I have no issue. But if spending £30m on Shaw means we have to move away from our initial midfield targets then I'll have a problem with the price.
He was chosen in the UEFA team of the year and dominated that tournament to a good extent, you cant call his competition laughable or compare it to a bit part role in the worldcup.
Isn't Coentrao about to sign a new contract anyway? I would take Luke Shaw over Coentrao either way.
Rooney's competition for the strikers role in the England has been laughable since his debut.
Anyways, we can agree to disagree on irrelevant the Rooney vs Shaw debate.
Am talking about his performance in the tournament, not who he had to beat to get in the side. But yeah, that seems the best option.
"who he had to beat to get in the side" is presumably what MDFC meant by his competition.
It is a totally pointless comparison - forwards will always get thrown in young, with a nation's hopes on their backs, and will often take the tournament by storm with their un-shackled youthful exuberance.
How does a defender do that? Would you even want them to?
Just having caps, being in the squad, and judged to be perfectly good enough to play if required is plenty enough for me from an 18 year-old full-back.
Young was an 18 year old talent when we got him?
Anyway, I've already pointed out Rooney and Ferdinand as good examples of why this transfer is a good idea. Those two transfers are more similar to Shaw than Berbatov and Ashley bloody Young.
young, quick, strong, good defensively, not bad going forward, and importantly is English
Not sure why some dont want to sign him just because of a fee thats not my money or your money
Not sure why some dont want to sign him just because of a fee thats not my money or your money
I think 27m is a great bid for S'hampton and we shouldn't allow ourselves to be pushed further than that. Just shows weakness and he really isn't worth more than that being an 18 year old, with Rodriquez still around.
If anything I would tell them 27 million is what we are offering, take it or leave it - then I would talk to Wolfsburg about Rodriquez and make a deal to force S'hampton to accept the offer on the table. Rodriquez is three years older, much better offensively and isn't much of a risk. Even if he becomes a rarity like Rooney who doesn't improve much after we sign him, we will still have a world-class LB at our disposal.
He's got 5 goals and 9 assists this season just in in the league alone which I think is the best of any full-back in the top leagues this season, above Alves/Alaba by a large margin.
Comparing it to our team, he'd be second in terms of assists behind Rooney who has 10. Points wise he'd be third in our team behind Rooney, then RVP who has 15 - Rodriquez has 14.
If anything I would tell them 27 million is what we are offering, take it or leave it - then I would talk to Wolfsburg about Rodriquez and make a deal to force S'hampton to accept the offer on the table. Rodriquez is three years older, much better offensively and isn't much of a risk. Even if he becomes a rarity like Rooney who doesn't improve much after we sign him, we will still have a world-class LB at our disposal.
He's got 5 goals and 9 assists this season just in in the league alone which I think is the best of any full-back in the top leagues this season, above Alves/Alaba by a large margin.
Comparing it to our team, he'd be second in terms of assists behind Rooney who has 10. Points wise he'd be third in our team behind Rooney, then RVP who has 15 - Rodriquez has 14.
What a top hat that guy was. I can't believe his last action as an Arsenal centre forward was to stamp on Phil Neville during a charity shield match.
Last time we didn't offer Southampton enough for a promising young left back this happened:
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Last time we didn't offer Southampton enough for a promising young left back this happened:
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Well there is the matter of the 6 years it took to become the player we see today. Remember the whole Spurs haven't won a match with Bale in the team for about a year?
Why would Wolfsburg sell Rodriguez for less than 25M when they know we bid 27 for Shaw
I do indeed. I'm not saying Shaw will turn into Bale mk.2 but Shaw is already playing better than Bale was at 18, and more consistently at a higher level. So who's to say he can't improve immensely like Bale did? He might not become a world class attacking midfielder but there's a good chance he's going to be a superb player for years to come.
Bales bad times should also remind us to have patience with him considering how young he is.
Coentrao is more of a finished product. Shaw is still developing and with the right guidance and development which United are known for, I'd rather get Shaw. I'm curious to see how good he can be in the next 2-3 seasons.
Both Southhampton and Wolfsburg would understand we have other options and that their player is not the only solution to our problems. Also Rodriquez for 25 millions is well worth it anyhow, I'd not argue it would be bad paying 27 m either even if I think it is on the absolute highest scale for both Shaw and Rodriquez.
Full-backs going for 30 million and above is a rarity, who more than Thuram and Alves has gone for those sums? You need to be proven at the highest level and be one of the very best in the world to justify those sums. Near zero risk transfers.
The lad has the potential to sort out the position for United for his entire career. I say feck the fee if he is good enough.
There was someone last night saying he would be delighted if we spent 200m, absolute nutter.
I'd rather we signed Shaw than any other left back but I can't honestly say we're known for nurturing any kind of youth nowadays. We generally let other teams nurture them and we sign them when they're ready for a step up.
Look at Powell, Zaha, Rossi, Pique, Pogba and countless other youth players we loan out or sell every year. In all honesty, Shaw would get much more benefit from joining Arsenal.
I'm not surprised some of England's best young players turn us down anymore (such as Ramsey & Bale) they will get more playing time elsewhere. I seriously hope Van Gaal sorts this out and plays kids that fit his system. We will continue to lose out if not.
Yep. Shaw is a little like Rooney, ready to step into the side straight away, which minimizes the downside. Even though many would argue that Rooney didn't fully live up to expectations, few would suggest, ten years on, that he wasn't worth the money.
Who are the other options then? We don't even know if the club is looking at Rodriguez.
I don't like the transfer fee but football is going only one way - spend to win.
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