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People say that. I really don't agree with it.
Early age groups starting from U9's you have to be within 1 hour of the training ground, when it gets to about the U14's you can ship in from around the world.
That only works with asking girls out. Its better to have asked and got rejected than to never have asked.
Rio certainly was established for England, for 3-4 years, having been on the 98 WC roster and having excelled in the 02 WC. Rooney had just excelled in the 04 Euros and had solidified his place in the English squad. De Gea was a young keeper with a handful of top class keepers ahead of him in the Spanish side. He would have cost half the fee paid 5, 10 years previously but transfer fees have spiraled out of control.
I'll sacrifice some attacking ability for a fullback that won't constantly get skinned by the opposition/leak goals from that side.
Could see it ultimately being 25m plus add-ons based on player club and international appearances.
That does sound like a Utd deal with all the various add ons.
That's from Jamie Jackson's report on LVG. I thought LVG was going to sign off the transfers? Seems a bit odd.
Luke Shaw is a necessary transfer. We need a left back.
I think it's perfectly within the realm of possibility that the club has been in touch with LVG and that he's approved of the club making a bid for Shaw.
To be fair I think Woodward should be in charge of transfers, he has been watching us all season, he knows our strengths and weaknesses. Not sure Van Gaal will have the time to discover those during the transfer window. We need to act now, especially with the WC coming up.
Yes, a businessman rather than a football man should be in charge of transfers. That makes perfect sense.
It shouldn't be an issue. Shaw would be right up Van Gaal's street.
Moyes was arguably a football man, how did he get on in regards to transfers? By the time he can fully focus on United, depending on how well Holland get on at the world cup, we lose valuable time and therefore,lose out on targets. I'm sure they have discussed transfer targets with him if he is indeed being appointed in the near future. We made the big mistake last season by waiting and waiting and look what happened? We simply cannot afford that this summer. By next month ideally we should already have 2 signings confirmed.Yes, a businessman rather than a football man should be in charge of transfers. That makes perfect sense.
It sure fecking does. I'd rather trust a businessman who has been responsible for deals worth hundreds of millions be responsible for transfers than a "football man" like ol' 'Arry.Yes, a businessman rather than a football man should be in charge of transfers. That makes perfect sense.
Yes, a businessman rather than a football man should be in charge of transfers. That makes perfect sense.
You only need to have basic football knowledge to know that when you're in need of a left back then you sign one of the best young left backs available.
Of course you wouldn't expect him to decide the transfers to make up the rest of the team though
Your arguing two different points here. I think the manager should give a list of who he wants and Woodward should chase. I think you would agree with that.
I think that's stupid and will lead to disaster.
Fair point - I don't see a problem with the chase for Shaw but having Woodward go full muppet mode and then hiring Van Gaal (who won't play players he doesn't like) is ridiculous.
Have we got the kid yet...
Maybe United aren't consulting Van Gaal because he's not got the job yet. We could be looking at other managers.
I hope this gets wrapped up sooner rather than later. I don't want another drawn out saga only for the fish to wriggle off the hook.
Spot on. Many younger posters don't seem to understand this. Walking into a meeting with people who want to pay you for association is literally the opposite of walking into a room to deal with people who want to fleece you for as much as possible.
Being good at one of those things doesn't mean you'll be as good with the other.
Not to say that Woodward can't do both, but so far it kind of does look like he can't.
Hopefully if we are set on Van Gaal, the deal is being done with his approval. Having said that, two things should be pointed out. Even if we are going for Shaw without talking to Van Gaal about it, it doesn't mean Woodward looked at Shaw and said 'I fancy him'. We'll have scouted the player for a while and there would be some football person - like the chief scout - encouraging us to go for it. That's how Fergie liked his scouts - to make a firm judgement, yes or no.
The other thing is, that European coaches such as Van Gaal are used to a sporting director model in which they sometimes have no say regarding transfers. So simply getting whatever squad he's getting and having to make the best of it is not something that's going to bother Van Gaal or other continental coaches. But clearly they will still be involved in transfers more than they are used to.
The other thing is, that European coaches such as Van Gaal are used to a sporting director model in which they sometimes have no say regarding transfers. So simply getting whatever squad he's getting and having to make the best of it is not something that's going to bother Van Gaal or other continental coaches. But clearly they will still be involved in transfers more than they are used to.
Woodward was an investment banker in the mergers and acquisitions department for J.P Morgan. Call me crazy but I think he probably knows how to acquire assets.
Yeah, because there are so many similarities between signing a football player and handling an industrial merger.
We should get a taxi driver from the airport to do the job, because he'd have lots of experience doing transfers.
Woodward may not understand the playing side of things...but he would know how to negotiate a deal I would think. Thought he did a good deal with regards to Mata...especially as Chelsea were after Rooney at the time.
Yes. There are no transferable skills at all. I guess that's why David Gill - also a former accountant involved in corporate finance - was such a shite Chief Exec.
As the chief executive he certainly should be involved with the negotiating of deals, the Mata deal was good work after a terrible summer. The issue though is who is identifying the players to pursue, as long as Van Gaal has approved them then that's fine but if there's any suggestion that Woodward is involved in the selecting of targets then that's a problem because he doesn't seem to know enough about the game and if we rejected the idea of a director of football last year then we definitely shouldn't have someone less knowledgeable doing basically the same job.
Accountants often make poor CEOs in my opinion, far too many of them in British business.
I highly doubt Woodward is picking the targets. What would he know how to use a player in a team. I'm sure a player is targeted by the manager and he does the negotiating...the same way Gill worked with SAF.
Great argument you've got there. "I think that's stupid and will lead to disaster" - despite years of grooming for the CEO position, and his prior experience being similar to David Gill's, one of the most successful CEO's in our history, and "
".You're really blowing me away with the sheer force of your intellect.
Working at a big name bank will make your job much easier - companies want you to have their business because they believe JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley have earned those reputations. It makes the M&A process simpler.
That's not how transfers work, especially when you are not known as the biggest spender. Selling teams want the most money, they don't really care who the buyer is. Players now are often swayed by the pay first, prestige second.
This is why announcing how massive of a transfer budget you have was stupid. With that knowledge, what club wouldn't demand a few million more for their players? Woodward's put United into a position where we will have to overpay for nearly every player. Hopefully all the revenue from whoring United out left and right will be finally be put to good use.
Do you not think it should be fairly safe to assume that he is a competent negotiator, given his previous jobs and the fact that he was the Glazer's key man in arranging the takeover of United? Plus being the most successful commercial director in our history. Again, that does not scream "cannot evaluate/negotiate a financial deal" to me. I think people are being utterly bonkers in assuming he can't properly negotiate a 20/30m transfer with all the support the club will provide him, when he's been responsible for organizing the movement of hundreds of millions of £/$ throughout his career.
This is spoken by someone who clearly doesn't have a clue how to do that job and is just speculating on it and trying to artue it out as a fact. Done far to often with little regard as to how silly they sound.
It isn't. I think you should have stopped there.
Gary Cook, the corporate wonk at City, had plenty of commercial experience but ended up saying: 'Milan bottled it', after failing to sign Kaka.
Great argument you've got there. "I think that's stupid and will lead to disaster" - despite years of grooming for the CEO position, and his prior experience being similar to David Gill's, one of the most successful CEO's in our history, and "
You're really blowing me away with the sheer force of your intellect.
I am laughing at YOU. You don't seem to understand that a "businessman" making player decisions leads to disaster. See how numerous "chairmen" make bad decisions and end up skrewing the club over. He should lead the negotiations - its his job! But he should NOT identify players.
I don't care about blowing you away. I'm laughing at you.
Any evidence that he's personally identifying players - beyond paper talk?
Also, odd argument. I can find as many instances of businessmen/chairman making good decisions as you can find of them making bad ones.
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Really? He basically went through a 3rd party who we had to pay for their services. We paid Chelsea what they wanted for a very good player, I'm not sure how he could have got it wrong.
My point was simply to downplay the idea that success in M&A means success in this world. Not exactly controversial
Happy to talk M&A in private if you'd like, just PM me. I only ask that you check the cnutish condescension at the door, Mr. Buffet.
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