It looks like too much for an unproved LB to me even in today's inflated market, you should be able to get a 24-year-old proven CM for that sort of cash.
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If this fell through I would only be happy if the reason was we are getting Coentrao. However as Coentrao is having a brilliant season (again) I can't see RM letting him go, especially with Marcelo also being injury prone. Therefore Shaw Needs to come.
I think it will prove to be good value if we get him. You are right that it's a bit of a gamble based on his current level but I think he will be at this level within a year or two.
The only thing i've heard him say is this: http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2...ers-michael-owen-questions-luke-shaw-reports/
Basically he doubts the Glazers would spend that money while we are still without a manager. But who knows, maybe they've discussed this with LvG and got his approval.
How is he not proven?
It's clearly correct that he's unproven - he is only at the beginning of his career and has hardly played on the big stage yet.
Coentrao would have been a Moyes target. Im not sure LVG would go after him and yes he did have a brilliant season after almost leaving RM
Yes I'm sure Januzaj will look at his £180,000 a month and be pissed off he's not getting enough.
It depends how you define 'unproven'. He's clearly proved himself as a very young player that's put in performances of a high level for two seasons in the PL now. Just because he's 18 doesn't automatically make him a big risk. You only have to use your eyes to see that he's already a very good left back.
Buttner was more unproven than Shaw is.
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Why wouldn't LvG be interested in him? Coentrao has been playing at the highest level since he has been 21 and has the experience in playing well in high pressure games int eh CL and international tournaments against world class opposition.
English tax + Manchester United tax + desperation tax.
Yes but the point was the fee involved. Normally £27m gets you an established international. The Buttner comparison is obviously ridiculous.
Pete's been WUMing like hell recently, so shouldn't be taken too seriously. He's right in that it's a lot of wedge but this kid is in the current PFA team of the year FFS! Obviously that's not a guarantee of quality but it makes him a damn sight more "proven" than most of our signings over the years.
Certainly has less to prove than any of our other defenders did when we first signed them, bearing in mind the uncertainty when a player changes league.
Rio would be the obvious exception, with a transfer fee that reflected this.
Certainly has less to prove than any of our other defenders did when we first signed them, bearing in mind the uncertainty when a player changes league.
Rio would be the obvious exception, with a transfer fee that reflected this.
Rooney, Rio and De Gea weren't established internationals when we bought them for big money. It's the way the club has always done things, when a talent like Shaw comes along, you have to snap him up. Especially in a position we badly needed to strengthen. Why is bringing up Buttner ridiculous? obviously the fee can't be compared but he's 26 and was still more of a risk than Shaw IMO.
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So, is this done or?!
Im saying he might not necessarily be a LVG target, managers fancy different types of players its just the way it is
You only have to look at Kyle Walker story for a cautionary tale. Two years ago YPOTY and in team of the season, fast-tracked into the England side despite question marks over his defensive ability...
There's very little to lose by rejecting United's first offer. At worst United will tell you it's not going to be improved and then you've got to make a choice. At best, maybe United will improve it or someone else comes in. There's little risk here, unless you're desperate to sell.
They did bid for Rooney though. It was a ludicrous bid that was never going to land him but they did make a bid swiftly after Mourinho said they were interested.
They're usually pretty quick with their business, or rather keep it quiet before. Matic and Zouma signed without much fuss in January.
Often the negotiation is not on the total value but on the deal arrangements - what cash when, what number of appearances triggers what additional payments, etc.
Didnt he sign a new contract last November?
Maureen's insistence on Rooney costed them the EPL title. It was Chelsea's version of Fabregas (ridiculous fees, an unrealistic transfer and settling for third rated talent)
Zouma and Matic is their version of Jones and Smalling ie promising players everyone was eyeing at but no one was interested to place an important bid for.
Indeed. You get a very simplistic overview of what is going on by seizing on headlines of "United bid x million for player y". Which is why I always find it amusing when caftards explain the negotiation strategy the club should be using, if only they were as clued up about negotiating multi-million dollar deals as us lot.
Roy Hodgson has told all the English players to sort out their future before the WC, which can only be a good thing for us.
Lets say Shaw never fulfills his potential here. Surely we'd be able to recoup a good chunk of this fee when we sell him anyway? I mean he'd probably go for a decent bit of money once he's approaching his peak years, no? So it's not like all that 30m would be dead money, at worst we'd probably make a loss of 20m (less if some of the fee is performance related). Is 20m really that big a hit when even in that worst case scenario we might have got eight or nine years out of the guy?
Good point.
He can tell the players what to do (not that it means much) but it comes down to the clubs.
He probably did mate, which makes it even less likely that we'd have a chance of buying him.
He's more proven than any teenager we've signed since Rooney. Pete's just WUMing.
I know mate but it helps Shaw push for the move a bit more.
where did you read he would get that amount?
Nope it isn't. Seriously, the positives alone are worth the punt: English, league proven, still a teenager which means he won't count in the 25 man squad, has had a good footballing education at Southampton. Would be awful to see him move to one of our rivals.
Kyle Walker 
. He can't defend to save his life and defending is Shaw's strength. If anything I am more sceptical about his offensive game.
. He can't defend to save his life and defending is Shaw's strength. If anything I am more sceptical about his offensive game.As usual people hear 100k and then it becomes 120, 140 and so on.
Most outlets went with 45k per week at the time. Not conclusive but it's the only thing we can really go by.
Coentrao only got game time in the end because Marcello got injured. He is still a number 2 left back there when Marcello is fit. Having said that, there's report h signed a new deal yesterday...
Funny you should say that. My main concern with Shaw isn't his defending (he's a bloody good defender), but it's his attacking play that I'm worried about. 2 assists in 2 seasons for a player with almost 5,000mins to his belt in the league.
Still, that's an area of the game we can approve. He's a superb defender though!
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