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Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...
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The last several games I've seen he seems to be a starter for Real, and looked decent, if that continues I don't see why he'd want to leave anymore.
Shut up. The transfer forum is not the place to be rational.
That's not being rational. That's asking why we don't sign a player for cheaper when
A) we don't know if he'd come
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B) we don't know if he's available
C) we haven't got a clue how much they'd want for him.
So yeah if making up scenarios and then saying we are stupid for not going through with said scenario equates to rationality that was very rational.
People need to chill. I'm all for having a pop when the club drags its heels, but the season ended on Sunday, shortly after, it was leaked that we've bid for Shaw, then on Monday, it was announced we're letting Rio go. We're clearly being proactive early on, so no need for panic.
I was being facetious to be fair. I think we have more chance of landing Shaw than the other bloke. It might cost more but to be honest, supporters get too caught up in transfer fees. If the club can afford it; the fee won't prejudice our spending pot for other necessary transfers; and, we really need him then we shouldn't be too concerned what the fee is.
Nah, to 40 million they'd have said yes immediately. The conception that you always meet halfway is far fetched, when the bid is too good to turn down it'll be accepted.
Thing is, 27 million was already too much. If they really decided to turn that down then we should let it go, they will never get the same price from any other team.
Why hold back the other 3%? And isn't 97% a strange number. I mean I understand 99% to convey you are almost sure but 97%?
Yeah, meant to say 99% sure.
I agree with this in principle, but this is not the summer to have principles. We have to decide what is more important, strengthening our squad or avoiding getting ripped off. When you strengthen in increments and are in the CL you are in a position of strength. When you absolutely positively have to buy players and are not in the CL, you are naked, kneeling over a table and asking to get taken.
There is absolutely no way Coentrao is a far superior player. This is one of those cases where the fact he's already excellent at a young age counts against him - he's somehow underestimated just because he's young.
With Woody at the helm i can see this one taking most of the summer to complete..
Michael Owen reckons that Shaw is "nailed-on" to go to Chelsea. I don't know how much insider knowledge he has, but he did know about the Rooney contract quite some time before it was announced. Though that could probably put down to him being mates with United players. I don't know how he'd know what's going on at Chelsea or Southampton.
We have put ourselves in a position where we DESPERATELY need a left back, centre half, midfielder (even two) and possibly a winger as well. No one to blame but ourselves but clubs will try to capitalise on that which is why we are bound to pay over the odds.
Chelsea won't bother preparing a bid, they'll jump in and sign him for 25 million in no time if they want him. We know it, don't we?
So lets say Southampton tell us we can have him for 30mil rising to 35mil in bonus' or whatever. Would you all still deem him worth the money?
Imo, the potential is there. 35mil for a potentially world class LB in a few years + a player young enough to stay at the club for possibly 10-15 years is value for money. Problem is, if he flops it is a hell of a lot of money for a flop.
How much would Coentrao set us back?
cnut.
Imo, the potential is there. 35mil for a potentially world class LB in a few years + a player young enough to stay at the club for possibly 10-15 years is value for money. Problem is, if he flops it is a hell of a lot of money for a flop.
How much would Coentrao set us back?
cnut.Exactly. Walking away from this deal isnt going to change that. It means we have to chase our second choice, and his club is going to be in an even stronger position to do exactly the same thing. We might as well get used to it because this is going to be happening with every player we try to sign this summer. From Southampton's point of view it would basically be negligence to accept our first offer, it just wasnt going to happen.
As I type I see this is a "damned if you do, damned if you dont" situation for Woodward. Last summer he was lambasted for his lowball offers, this summer he has gone in high and hard and its still not working out perfectly. Still, he is doing the right things, hopefully he'll be able to negotiate a relatively reasonable deal. We just have to suck it up IMO, as you say we are desperate.
Not necessarily a bad thing in this case. Too much money for a left back who still has it all to prove.
Delighted if Chelsea swoop in for him, we can get good left backs for a better price.
As they did with Wayne Rooney right?
Delighted!? Where are these fullbacks and please don't say Coentrao.
Alberto Moreno?
@Kevin while youre at it do you know any cut price, top class midfielders we can snap up as well? Because while Im excited about the prospect of a new left back and all, I still see this as little more than an amuse bouche for the main course: a couple of midfielders who will walk into our first XI.
I hope this goes through. Please stay away Chelsea . Although I think he is the most realistic target that has been talked about so I'm not ridiculously excited. Still want him badly though!
. Although I think he is the most realistic target that has been talked about so I'm not ridiculously excited. Still want him badly though!Have you ever watched him play?
Please ignore Kevin, he's a WUM and a pretty poor one now, he's boring and it's the same clichés over & over..
Has anything been confirmed at all? Apart from the fact it seems Daily Mail work for us this season it appears, I think he'd be a brilliant addition, there are good alternatives, but I'd imagine if Luke does well he has a 15 year career at this level still.
Has anything been confirmed at all? Apart from the fact it seems Daily Mail work for us this season it appears, I think he'd be a brilliant addition, there are good alternatives, but I'd imagine if Luke does well he has a 15 year career at this level still.
Gareth Barry and Scott Parker, obviously.
He looks like a great prospect but at 30 mil will be the 2nd or 3rd most expensive defender in the world. Joking aside, and yep I know the argument about could be here for X years but unfortunately football is not a science and this is now rare for so many reasons in modern football.
Not knocking it, it's a state of intent by the club. He fits the profile but I still think it's expensive and for 30m represents a massive gamble.
Not knocking it, it's a state of intent by the club. He fits the profile but I still think it's expensive and for 30m represents a massive gamble.
You joke @Siorac - if we had bought Scott Parker 4 or 5 years ago I think it wouldnt have been a bad move at all. I think he'd have helped us out. Which just goes to show, you didnt need to be amazing to improve our midfield in recent years.
Not much we can do though. We've been sensible in the market and it cost us a lot of top players. We got more then our fair share of bargains down the years. Sometimes you have to pay over the odds IF you know he's the right player. We can't always get what everyone thinks is a great deal. No one really cares once the seasons underway and if the players fit and doing the business
He isn't the worst suggestion and I'd hate to see him sign for Liverpool.
Nah, Scott Parker is shite. Really shite. Wouldn't even improve our poor midfield.
Gareth Barry would have but, like you say, that says more about how poor we were than how good he is/was.
Hence, you could see the logic in giving the likes of Anderson and Cleverley as much of a chance as possible. Although we probably cut our losses a year or two too late.
Wouldn't ague with that, although I think sometimes it creates more pressure for your transfer strategy. It sets a unwanted precedence if we pay 30m for him, and pushes the price up for a decent CB or CM......
Does SolidState have a twitter account.
I'd love to follow it this summer
I'd love to follow it this summer
Kevin was wumming a lot last summer with Barry and Parker.
But if you're actually serious: no, Scott Parker wouldn't have improved us five or ten years ago. He got fashionable for not being totally hopeless in the team that finished 20th. Barry could have done a job for us but he was never an option and it would have had to be either him or Carrick and Carrick is better. Well, was. Not sure he'll recover from this season.
Does SolidState have a twitter account.
I'd love to follow it this summer
Yeah....indykaila
Far superior might be an exaggeration. But there are certain risks present in signing any young player. Injury development, ability to perform at the highest level, composure in the kind of intense pressure situations United players face (champions League, finals, title chase etc) are all question marks. Personally I think Shaw will go on to be a star and deal with these challenges. But he may not, while we know Coentrao is already proven. Given that we have a need to strengthen in other positions, I think minimizing the risk and saving quite a bit in transfer fees makes Coentrao the better choice.
I'm not saying I'll be unhappy if we get Shaw instead, as he's definitely a talent. I just think we can get better performance, for our needs at this time, for a lower price.
I was being serious, I obviously rate him a bit higher than you and Pogue but either way he is not the quality of player we should be looking for now (or then). Hopefully we'll spend big on top quality though Im not confident we'll get what we need no matter how much we spend.
He was on that football panel show on BT Sport yesterday, so I've been told. I didn't see it, but my workmate (United fan also) was talking about it this morning. Owen doesn't seem to be a perennial bullshitter, and only seems to speak when he knows something. I don't know if he's just putting 2 and 2 together based on Shaw being a Chelsea fan, or if he actually has any info.
Good points but I doubt Coentrao would be significantly cheaper. And that's assuming Madrid would sell at all (don't think they would).
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