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Fellaini, as rubbish as he is, is a CM though, which are naturally going to be more valuable. You may be right, they might push it up to something in the 30's, but I wouldn't be too surprised if they accepted that starting offer.
Is that a serious question?
Doubt it. Southampton know we'll pay more.
He may well have done some good things. But they will be forgotten.
The papers are making out the offer of £27m has been accepted and it's only personal terms to be agreed
I think it's only the Mirror who have said anything has been agreed, so I'd take that with a pinch of salt. The others, I agree, are pretty much saying they expect the deal to go through, just not being explicit in this.
I doubt it will be £27m in full, it will most likely include appearance fees and other clauses, so the Mirror report of £25m makes a bit more sense.
If Januzaj and Mata go on to become key players in winning us multiple trophies for the years to come, you don't think that Moyes will be at least partially praised? I think that he handled Januzaj' debut season brilliantly and landing Mata was sizeable achievement. Not to mention him keeping Rooney here.
Pretty much this, I don't think he hasn't done anything earth shattering to be honest and any deals that he may have started can just as easily be vetoed by any new man coming in.
I don't think that Mata and Januzaj going on to win multiple trophies will be remembered for Moyes being the guy that was here when Woodward went and bought Mata.
I was thinking "feck! 2250 responses already, then I realised the threads had been merged...
I know £27m is a lot of money for a LB, but I still think he might not go for that "cheap". We always overpay for players, Shaw is English, which is a big factor and Chelsea is probably also interested.
Actually these kind of expensive signings(talented young British players) have succeeded more often than not. Bale, Rooney, Walcott, Ox seem to have been worth the money. Zaha looks like a flop so far, even Wickham is starting to improve.
You could make the comparison between Shaw and Rio. Rio was young English player signed for a huge price, but the quality and longevity of his time here paid it back, which would be expected from Shaw also. I don't know why defenders are often so cheap when there is lack of quality there. I think it's smart for us to invest on a LB at this point and Shaw is one of the best options.
Actually these kind of expensive signings(talented young British players) have succeeded more often than not. Bale, Rooney, Walcott, Ox seem to have been worth the money. Zaha looks like a flop so far, even Wickham is starting to improve.
You could make the comparison between Shaw and Rio. Rio was young English player signed for a huge price, but the quality and longevity of his time here paid it back, which would be expected from Shaw also. I don't know why defenders are often so cheap when there is lack of quality there. I think it's smart for us to invest on a LB at this point and Shaw is one of the best options.
27 million is a big money to spent for an 18 years old. But he's a talent one. So it might worth it in the future just like Rio Ferdinand.
I think £27m is decent value for money in this day and age of footballer values. As stated above, look at Rio, we got him in when he was 23, some 5 years older than Shaw.
No. Whether he should be or not is a different question.
Was anybody else surprised to hear that we had made the bid? I have to admit I thought it would be a few weeks before we heard anything. I am so pleased to see us act quickly for a change. My feeling is that Fergie will be working with Woodward to get the signings in.
Are you basing this on the fact it's the "first offer"?
How about it's the first offer we know about? How about it's a hell of a lot of money for a full back?
How about Woody is getting it sorted with proper bids rather than messing around this summer.
I still think the fanning around last year was down to Moyes rather than Woodward. He was happy to overpay on Fellaini when Moyes finally made the decision and was happy to put £37m up to get Mata with no hitches.
Times and Guardian reporting he'll be on 100k/week. Christ.
Keep the muppetry under control!
Hehe guilty as charged!
I read somewhere, maybe the Telegraph that it would be £75k - which is apparently 'more than Januzaj'
I hope this does happen. I was always a little underwhelmed with the prospect of Coentrao, who doesn't really solve the problem we currently have. I don't think Coentrao is too solid defensively, as isn't Evra, though both are very skilled in possession and are very fruitful on the attack. The advantage for Coentrao would be that he is very likely to be cheaper.
Shaw's game looks very balanced and mature for his age, and hopefully will improve more-so. Januzaj has made a mug of alot of full backs this season with his dribbling, but Shaw had him sussed. He looked very strong on the attack as well. Good crosses, and looked willing to get into the box to join the attack. If Southampton are willing to listen to offers, we'd be daft not to pay what they want.
Shaw's game looks very balanced and mature for his age, and hopefully will improve more-so. Januzaj has made a mug of alot of full backs this season with his dribbling, but Shaw had him sussed. He looked very strong on the attack as well. Good crosses, and looked willing to get into the box to join the attack. If Southampton are willing to listen to offers, we'd be daft not to pay what they want.
I never said that he done anything earth shattering, I'm just not of the opinion that he failed on absolutely all fronts.
Didn't last long did it. I just thought it was media bull as usual. I guess in a world cup year business needs to get done early for players that are going as a world cup year means prices are nearly doubled for potentially average players. I am sure that if Shaw was not going to the world cup, then this offer would not have been put in so early. I expect more bids/deals to be in place before the world cup potentially.
Atleast it seems we have a plan which is encouraging.
Is James Ducker reporting it? I know Jamie Jackson reported it a while back and today he report it again.
Times article was written by Rory Smith.
Probably guessing, he's no United journo, mainly covers Liverpool IIRC. Still I wouldn't be surprised if it's true, we have to pay top dollar to prise players away from their clubs, and Shaw is going to be value for money over the course of his career. We can afford it, just pay what is required, sick of missing out on targets because of a few million.
Does it really matter what age he is? £100k p/w must be around the standard wage for a United first team player, which he'll be.
The thing about him is that he is a very good left back, one of the best in the league, even when you don't consider his nationality or age. Even if he doesn't improve, we'd still be getting a top quality left back who can serve us for more than a decade.
For the fee he's moving for, £100k would be pretty standard.
Taken from the BBC headline of Liverpool bidding for Lallana:
Speaking on Sunday, Southampton chairman Ralph Krueger said he expected interest in the club's star players.
"The reason people look at our players is because the club does an excellent job developing them," Krueger told BBC Radio Solent. "It should be difficult here every summer.
"It is really important that people respect that there will be conversations going on, beginning on Monday, with clubs. That is part of the business."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27371960
Speaking on Sunday, Southampton chairman Ralph Krueger said he expected interest in the club's star players.
"The reason people look at our players is because the club does an excellent job developing them," Krueger told BBC Radio Solent. "It should be difficult here every summer.
"It is really important that people respect that there will be conversations going on, beginning on Monday, with clubs. That is part of the business."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27371960
The positive from this bid as well as the Mata transfer is that Woodward seems to have learned from his mistakes from the summer. No more low balling and wasting time and try to get the business done early.
Also we seem determined not to repeat the mistake of employing an unknown quantity as Moyes. Overall, this means we can be a lot more optimistic about our club's future.
Also we seem determined not to repeat the mistake of employing an unknown quantity as Moyes. Overall, this means we can be a lot more optimistic about our club's future.
So it's clear they want to and will sell. Want there a report earlier in the season where they needed a lot of money?
Hoping we wrap this up soon.
You know we've put in a bad-ass bid when the people who payed 80m combined for Torres and Sheva raise their eyebrows.
It's a game of margins these days, every position is vitally important. Having quality full-backs who are effective both ways will win you a lot of games over the course of a season.
The only problem I have with £100k/week is that when it comes to renegotiation time in 3 or 4 years, what do we give our 22 year old LB then? £120k/week? £140k/week? And then what about 3 or 4 years after that when he'll still only be 25/26, not even in his prime yet. Do we keep going until we have a LB on £200k/week?
I'd be surprised if there's many fullbacks in the world on £100k/week plus, if any at all. The one that comes to mind is Ashley Cole, we all know how he reacted to 'only' being offered £55k/week, the poor sod.
I don't have a problem with the fee for many reasons already discussed. To be honest 'problem' is the wrong word, it's more of a concern.
I'd be surprised if there's many fullbacks in the world on £100k/week plus, if any at all. The one that comes to mind is Ashley Cole, we all know how he reacted to 'only' being offered £55k/week, the poor sod.
I don't have a problem with the fee for many reasons already discussed. To be honest 'problem' is the wrong word, it's more of a concern.
I agree.
I was highly critical towards moyes to the point that I was occasionally (And rightly so) banned for it. However I still agree with the following. There's a difference between criticizing someone whom u believe he's ridiculously out of depth and actually hate him
We're actually making sure that clubs want to sell rather than becoming laughing stocks like we did with baines and cesc.
You're joking, right? He only seems to report the true stuff after everyone else has. His own "exclusives" last summer were;
Barcelona's Thiago Alcântara likely to join Manchester United
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jul/06/thiago-alcantara-manchester-united-barcelona
Wayne Rooney heading for the exit at Manchester United
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jul/16/wayne-rooney-angry-manchester-united
Also, note how none of his articles ever include quotes. In fact, all of his articles include unrelated stories just to fill up the required word count.
Torres and Sheva were considered world class strikers at that time. Regardless of how their careers panned out, those type of players on average cost the most in the transfer market. If you look at the best fullbacks in the league, players like Zabaleta, Azpilicueta, Sagna, Ivanovic, Evra, etc, they cost under 10m when the big clubs bought them. I know times change and fees get higher, but apart from Dani Alves, I can't remember any other fullback commanding those kind of fees.
Agreed. The only reason why his age matters is he has a lot of pay rises ahead of him. But this is the reality we face now, especially without CL football: we need to pay extra to get the right people in or theyll go elsewhere. Hopefully we'll get him in and he'll prove his worth.
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