Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...

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Sorry I edited my post because I forgot to add that it does appear that the Shaw work has been going on for a while, you'd imagine so given we've put in such a large bid just a couple of weeks after Moyes has left. By straight from the horses mouth do you mean Moyes? I wasn't aware he'd said anything and I seriously doubt a player as good as Kroos at a club as strong and as big as Bayern would move to a United side not in Europe under David Moyes (or pretty much any manager for that matter).

Yeah from David Moyes. I got told he had deals done for Kroos and Shaw (agreements with the players that they would join). Not sure what will happen with Kroos because I saw an article saying we wouldn't follow up on Moyes' interest, but people like Bob Cass are saying these two deals are done. Shaw looks incredibly likely though and has done for a while really.
 
With Smalling and Valencia on the other side we'll play like we've had a stroke.
Mate I can't stop laughing at that comment. Bravo.

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United not saying anything. Another flaming leak which will now descend into farce.
 
Even if van Gaal hasn't had a say over this transfer, he's hardly going to kick up a fuss if he has one of the most promising young LBs in the world at his disposal next season. This is as obvious and as safe as a signing we're going to make.

Its the midfielders and wingers that van Gaal should have complete autonomy over signing.

I agree that Shaw is a fantastic player and I hope we do sign him. Just feels strange for a chief executive to be signing a player who the manager does not approve of. Van Gaal may potentially have his own ideas for a left back. Remember what happened with Zaha?

Hopefully Woodward and Van Gaal have actually discussed this signing and he latter approved of it.
 
The real weak areas in our squad are central midfield and left back. Even if Evra does stay, he's no longer good enough to be first choice for us, and Buttner is a back-up at best.

We'll also spend big in midfield this summer. We have to really...and while I think the reports of a £200m war chest are well off the mark, I don't think this fee is going to affect the rest of our plans for bringing players in.

For me it's centre mid (of course!) and centre back. Centre back has been most worrying for me this season. We need a Vidic replacement. A warrior.
 
For me it's centre mid (of course!) and centre back. Centre back has been most worrying for me this season. We need a Vidic replacement. A warrior.

I think we have a few options for centre mid. There are a few players who seem to be available in the centre mid position. I'm more worried with who we can get for the centre back position because I'm not sure we have too many options available, not to mention a few other top clubs like Barca and City will also be looking for a centre back.
 
For me it's centre mid (of course!) and centre back. Centre back has been most worrying for me this season. We need a Vidic replacement. A warrior.

Nah, most of our problems at centre-back this season have either come from the lack of a settled back four, or from Rio. Yes, Vidic still looks like he'd offer a great deal if he wasn't going, but I think in general we'll benefit from finally stepping out of the 'transition' between the old pair and the new trio (Jones, Evans and Smalling), and entrusting the job to the younger lads once and for all.

If you want a warrior, give Jones a starting position and let him make it his. He's a tailor-made Vidic replacement if ever I saw one. With Evans' experience and composure next to him, I'd back them to quickly develop into a formidable partnership of their own.

The full-back positions are definitely more in need of reinforcement - a first-choice LB and a back-up RB, although we could do worse than look to our youngsters for the latter - Varela seems ready for an opportunity.
 
I think we have a few options for centre mid. There are a few players who seem to be available in the centre mid position. I'm more worried with who we can get for the centre back position because I'm not sure we have too many options available, not to mention a few other top clubs like Barca and City will also be looking for a centre back.

edit: re-read your post...now my post didn't make sense

So yea...I think we can go with our centre backs. Gotta give Jones and Smalling a proper chance imo.
 
I think we'll need at least one centre back this summer. Not entirely convinced with Jones, Smalling and Evans playing together. I think one of those 3 alongside a world class centre back could fit in well.
 
I think we'll need at least one centre back this summer. Not entirely convinced with Jones, Smalling and Evans playing together. I think one of those 3 alongside a world class centre back could fit in well.

We'll never know until we try them. No defender is ever going to find really good form getting odd games here and there, being rotated out just when they start to settle into a rhythm. Despite that, they've all been more consistent than Rio for a couple of seasons now. Three 'first-choice' CBs is the model that most top clubs use at the moment, and I say we should give our three a try before we consign them to another season of musical chairs. Buy/promote some back-up and give them a go.

We'll need to be focussing our funds and attention on positions where we don't already have good options - CM, LB, back-up at RB and maybe an upgrade in LW.
 
United not saying anything. Another flaming leak which will now descend into farce.
Huh? We made an official bid for him, happens with all transfers. Nothing just pops up out of the blue when a player signs officially, bids always get reported when they happen.
 
Just get this complete before the World Cup ideally. Worst case scenario is Shaw performs well and inflates his transfer value.
 
Just get this complete before the World Cup ideally. Worst case scenario is Shaw performs well and inflates his transfer value.


I think United will walk from any deal that is not completed before the world cup.

It will be a "deal with us now or feck off" scenario. That is why I think they will not mess around with their initial offers. No "insulting" bids this time around.
 
Good to see us starting the business nice and early. We've been denied time and time again for not reacting quickly.
I won't care how much we paid for him if he produces good performances next season.
 
I think we'll need at least one centre back this summer. Not entirely convinced with Jones, Smalling and Evans playing together. I think one of those 3 alongside a world class centre back could fit in well.

I think in terms of quality, our CBs are fine. The main issue are the recurring injuries they seem to suffer. We don't ever seem to have anywhere near all of them fit at any one time. Even when we've had Jones, Smalling, Evans, Rio and Vida on the books, there have still been occasions where we've had to have Carrick in as a centre back. I do agree that we probably need one more, to ensure we have enough coverage, especially as Rafa is a bit injury prone too and Jones/Smalling inevitably have to deputize at some point, although with Varela and Janko coming through, hopefully that won't be the case in the future. For their development, Smalling/Jones and Evans to a lesser degree really need to play on a regular basis in CB.
 
It's encouraging that we've put in a very early bid but I reckon Southampton will want a bit more.

Southampton would be crazy to hold out for more. 27 million pounds makes him the second most expensive fullback of all time, at the age of 18.

Hopefully he's the first of several quality summer acquisitions :)
 
If you're shocked by 10, brace yourself. Thiago's got to 394, and there's good evidence we never even bid for him. And that's not been the worst over the years either.
To be fair, about 3 pages of that was probably a Ronaldo vs Messi debate.
 
Southampton would be crazy to hold out for more. 27 million pounds makes him the second most expensive fullback of all time, at the age of 18.

They'll presumably hold out for more simply on the basis that this is our first (and early) bid. If we've gone in with this, they'll be confident of getting us up to £30m.

This is all assuming that this bid is actually real, not just media chaff.
 
Great signing. Fee is justifiable, unlike the similar fee paid for Fellaini. That Fellaini piece of business will probably give Southampton a good reason to ask for more
 
They'll presumably hold out for more simply on the basis that this is our first (and early) bid. If we've gone in with this, they'll be confident of getting us up to £30m.

This is all assuming that this bid is actually real, not just media chaff.
I feel like we've been working on it for a while and agreed a fee before hand like with Mata, and just officially bid what was agreed on before. Similar to the Mata deal as we only bid for him right after the Chelsea game, and we bid for Shaw just hours after our game with them. Wouldn't be too worried about this deal falling through, at least I hope so. It does feel like it's a done deal though.
 
Great signing. Fee is justifiable, unlike the similar fee paid for Fellaini. That Fellaini piece of business will probably give Southampton a good reason to ask for more
he hasn't signed anything yet. Doubt they'd accept anything under 34 mill
 
I dont typically count my eggs before they hatch but I doubt United are in the mood for fecking up this time. We're trying to seal this before the world cup. Even 40M would be a bargain..lets face it, the transfer market is crazy but the kid has crazy talent and potential. Future United captain and legend. @Lynk
 
I feel like we've been working on it for a while and agreed a fee before hand like with Mata, and just officially bid what was agreed on before.

This.

The fact that this has been the rumoured fee for weeks if not months, then bang, an immediate bid of the exact same amount makes it look like it's already been discussed and negotiated already.
 
I dont typically count my eggs before they hatch but I doubt United are in the mood for fecking up this time. We're trying to seal this before the world cup. Even 40M would be a bargain..lets face it, the transfer market is crazy but the kid has crazy talent and potential. Future United captain and legend. @Lynk

Lets not get ahead of ourselves...
 
I dont typically count my eggs before they hatch but I doubt United are in the mood for fecking up this time. We're trying to seal this before the world cup. Even 40M would be a bargain..lets face it, the transfer market is crazy but the kid has crazy talent and potential. Future United captain and legend. @Lynk

40 million would be a bargain for a left back? Are you high because Pool didn't win tbe league? I should report this post as a WUM :p
 
Lets not get ahead of ourselves...

I know. Have a strong feeling about it though. We missed out on Bale years ago, this kid has the same potential at the same age. Lets just wait and see, so many English early bloomers have been a let down. Awaiting confirmation by United.
 
There are two transfer windows in each Barclays Premier League season.

The first commences at midnight on the last day of the season and ends on 31 August if a working day - or, if not, on the first working day thereafter, at a time determined by the Board.

The second transfer window commences at midnight on the 31 December and ends on the 31 January if a working day, and again, if not, on the first working day thereafter, at a time determined by the Board.

Temporary transfers can be made permanent outside of the transfer windows. For further information please see the rules in thePremier League Handbook.

I always thought it started later than that for some reason.

Transfer muppet season is in full swing! My favourite time of the year :D.
 
This.

The fact that this has been the rumoured fee for weeks if not months, then bang, an immediate bid of the exact same amount makes it look like it's already been discussed and negotiated already.
Don't forget the timing. Literally hours after the game v Southampton finishes, he gets a proper send off at home, and we make the bid that was rumoured in all the papers for so long.
 
25-30m bracket now is equivalent to 15-20m from 4-5 years ago. So I no need to balk at that figure. Even if we were to sign promising left back from Europe, it won't come cheaper than 20m
 
Either way looks like So'ton are going to get around £45m in transfer fees from selling just Shaw and Lallana.
 
My thing is if you want the player, he's keen on joining and on top of it he's a potential world class player in his position that's English you get the deal done. We've spent the last few years quibbling over £5-10m. IMO I'd rather get 2-3 players of real quality to strengthen the team and overpay versus what happened last summer where we tried to get really cute and put in underwhelming bid after underwhelming bid for both Baines and Fabregas. It's not great business to consistently overpay, but it's even worse to lose out on players you've identified that will improve you because you're unwilling to pony up the cash. We've been very frugal with our finances since 2009 in the transfer market and along with neglecting our midfield it has led to a squad that needs an injection of quality. Let's address it this summer with clear purpose rather than poking around Europe window shopping and coming up short.

Shaw looks like quality and has proven himself to be a very good player, at a young age in a position that we definitely need to address this summer. If the club are willing to pay £30m for him assuming Southampton rejects this initial bid I support that.
 
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