Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...

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Could be similar to the Rio signing this - pay big when young - reap the rewards over the years.
 
He was very good. They were doubling up against Adnan at times though and I actually don't know why Giggs didn't switch Adnan and Welbeck.
 
Class today. I've seen him maybe four or five times this season, looks the same each time.

What strikes me is how well built he is already. This isn't some willowy callow kid with potential.

That said £30M still seems very steep. But that's a reflection of the market not the player I guess.
 
30m is a bit steep, but would probably be worth it in the long run if he gives us 10 or possibly as many as 15 years.
 
Who cares how much we spend on him. As long as United has the funds and ability to do so, it's perfectly fine. Luke Shaw, 2 experienced CMs and another top-class CB would make the perfect summer. That would certainly kickstart our rebuilding of the team.
 
The guy commentating on the stream I was watching said he'd be a 100 cap player for England and I think he will be... that can't be a bad signing for £30m in this day and age.
 
if we want him then we have to pay soton £30M. not his actual value but being young, talented and english, that would be the price.

could end up here for 10-15 years so by the end of his career that should be money well spent.

remember we paid almost £30M for a certain fellaini just last summer.
 
Usually I'm against overpaying for English talent but he certainly is one of the most talented fullbacks I have seen in a while. Hard to believe the lad is only 18 years old, really hope we will do everything in our power to get him here.
 
both Lallana and Shaw came off today. Southampton should be able to do a lot with the c.£50m they'll get for the two of them.
 
ricky-romeo said:
if we want him then we have to pay soton £30M. not his actual value but being young, talented and english, that would be the price.

could end up here for 10-15 years so by the end of his career that should be money well spent.

remember we paid almost £30M for a certain fellaini just last summer.
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Makes me wish we got him instead of Fellaini for that ridiculous price.
 
GledTheRed said:
lallana always gets subbed off.
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Don't want a player who can only manage 60 minutes.

Shaw on the other hand is as good as it gets for a teenager. If we were to spunk 30m on a teenager it would be Shaw because he just looks destined to be at the top level.
 
It'll be a structured deal like the Rooney one you'd imagine. £22-£24m up front and £6m-£8m on future incentives which he will hopefully succeed.
 
I don't really care how much he'd cost myself, I just know he'd solve a potentially huge issue for us and would fit into the team with ease. Evra has carried the attack on the left wing for almost 7 years now and we need someone we can trust to slot straight in there without a significant loss. Shaw does that along with offering a more robust defensive presence and the potential to develop into something special with over a decade of service. Any club in England would be fools to pass up on the chance of getting him.
 
Pexbo said:
It'll be a structured deal like the Rooney one you'd imagine. £22-£24m up front and £6m-£8m on future incentives which he will hopefully succeed.
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Sounds about right.

He and Januzaj battling it out was the best thing about the match today. It would be incredible to have them both in our team next season.
 
I really hope this is a "green light, go for it" target rather than an "erm, err, well " type of an affair, especially with clubs like Chelsea needing a new left back in the same summer.
 
I would love to sign him but just can't understand why the papers are saying we are a stick on for him. His boyhood club is Chelsea who will be interested in signing him as Cole's successor and they have champions league football next season. Chelsea can surely offer more money and higher wages as well. What are we doing that makes us such favourites to acquire him??
 
We can think of part of the money we'd have to pay as going towards keeping him away from Chelsea, too. They'd have Shaw on one side and Azpilicueta on the other... which would potentially be the best set of starting full-backs in the league, aged only 18 and 24.
 
siw2007 said:
I would love to sign him but just can't understand why the papers are saying we are a stick on for him. His boyhood club is Chelsea who will be interested in signing him as Cole's successor and they have champions league football next season. Chelsea can surely offer more money and higher wages as well. What are we doing that makes us such favourites to acquire him??
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Jose's probably already fallen out with him
 
siw2007 said:
I would love to sign him but just can't understand why the papers are saying we are a stick on for him. His boyhood club is Chelsea who will be interested in signing him as Cole's successor and they have champions league football next season. Chelsea can surely offer more money and higher wages as well. What are we doing that makes us such favourites to acquire him??
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We don't need a left-back, you do.
 
duffer said:
We don't need a left-back, you do.
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Are you happy with Cole and Azpilaqueta?? If you are then fair enough, I don't watch enough of Chelsea to assess your options there but it is great for us if you are fine in that position. We have still got to beat the likes of Liverpool and City for him as well.
 
Brwned said:
Bringing in an 18 year old left back is just what this team needs. De Gea (23), Shaw (18), Jones (22), Smalling (24) and Rafael (23) has the makings of a brilliant unit in 18 months or so and could be the backbone of our side for the next 5 years. Along with Januzaj (19), Mata (25) and Kagawa (25) we've got plenty of youth to rebuild this side. We just need that midfielder or two to knit this all together and we could be playing brilliant football with a vibrant young team.

Kolarov cost £19m at 25. A better left back at 18 for just £10m more doesn't sound like a disaster to me.
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I don't agree, it is not because City overpaid we should be overpaying aswell.

The problems I have with £30m for an 18 year old left back are these:

1 There are many other good young leftbacks available right now that wouldn't cost anywhere near £30m:
-Rodriguez (21)
-Benat (21)
-Moreno(21)

2 An 18 year old still is a WIP, he may have had an exceptional season at Southampton - were the pressure isn't anything near what it will be like at United- but there are no guarantees he'll do as good for us. He can have a setback, he can struggle living up to the expectations that come with a £30m price tag and living up to the hype that surrounds him atm. It is very risky putting all your hope in an 18 year old that had one good season.

3 £30m is alot of money. For that price you can buy top class centrbeacks and top class midfielders, both are needed here at United as much as a solid leftback option. I don't think such a big chunk out of our budget can be justified for simply and 18 year old leftback. Spending that much on Shaw will surely mean less spending on the midfield, centrebacks or winger positions and I think that will be a problem for us.

I rather see us bringing in Rodriguez for £15m than Shaw for £30m, it is just crazy money and it is primarly driven because the guy is english, if he would be another nationality, there wouldn't such a hype around him and nobody would justify £30m for him. I think with such a price tag, the only thing he could do is fail to live upto the expactations which will be gigantic and it will have cost us a big chunck of our budget which could have been spend much better.
 
siw2007 said:
Are you happy with Cole and Azpilaqueta?? If you are then fair enough, I don't watch enough of Chelsea to assess your options there but it is great for us if you are fine in that position. We have still got to beat the likes of Liverpool and City for him as well.
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I think Azpilicueta has been the best left back in the league this year. Cole will leave this summer but I don't see us spending £30 million on Shaw. We'll spend much less than that on someone else or have Bertrand as back up next season.
 
duffer said:
I think Azpilicueta has been the best left back in the league this year. Cole will leave this summer but I don't see us spending £30 million on Shaw. We'll spend much less than that on someone else or have Bertrand as back up next season.
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I have been impressed by Azpilicueta this season, looked pretty solid but just wonder if being right footed will hinder him a little in that position. With the home-grown quota's in European competition, a young, talented full back like Shaw is hot property so I am still a little surprised you aren't going to at least have a go for him.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
I don't agree, it is not because City overpaid we should be overpaying aswell.

The problems I have with £30m for an 18 year old left back are these:

1 There are many other good young leftbacks available right now that wouldn't cost anywhere near £30m:
-Rodriguez (21)
-Benat (21)
-Moreno(21)

2 An 18 year old still is a WIP, he may have had an exceptional season at Southampton - were the pressure isn't anything near what it will be like at United- but there are no guarantees he'll do as good for us. He can have a setback, he can struggle living up to the expectations that come with a £30m price tag and living up to the hype that surrounds him atm. It is very risky putting all your hope in an 18 year old that had one good season.

3 £30m is alot of money. For that price you can buy top class centrbeacks and top class midfielders, both are needed here at United as much as a solid leftback option. I don't think such a big chunk out of our budget can be justified for simply and 18 year old leftback. Spending that much on Shaw will surely mean less spending on the midfield, centrebacks or winger positions and I think that will be a problem for us.

I rather see us bringing in Rodriguez for £15m than Shaw for £30m, it is just crazy money and it is primarly driven because the guy is english, if he would be another nationality, there wouldn't such a hype around him and nobody would justify £30m for him. I think with such a price tag, the only thing he could do is fail to live upto the expactations which will be gigantic and it will have cost us a big chunck of our budget which could have been spend much better.
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I don't think his price tag would raise expectations in any way myself. We all expect him to be a top class left back, the best in the league and one of the best in the world - the price paid wouldn't change any of that. Being English essentially gives us a much stronger chance of him staying with us for the the rest of his career. You could probably count the number of foreign players that retired with us on one hand - it's just how it is. That is a perfectly good reason for an inflated price.
 
duffer said:
I think Azpilicueta has been the best left back in the league this year. Cole will leave this summer but I don't see us spending £30 million on Shaw. We'll spend much less than that on someone else or have Bertrand as back up next season.
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Many other good options available for a fraction of the price.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
I rather see us bringing in Rodriguez for £15m than Shaw for £30m, it is just crazy money and it is primarly driven because the guy is english, if he would be another nationality, there wouldn't such a hype around him and nobody would justify £30m for him. I think with such a price tag, the only thing he could do is fail to live upto the expactations which will be gigantic and it will have cost us a big chunck of our budget which could have been spend much better.
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Shaw & Rodriguez would cost similar amounts, Wolfsburg are in no need of money at all & they've just qualified for Europe so they'll not be in any rush to get rid of their best players. They're apparently in talks with him about a new contract there and either way I don't think there's any chance he'd go for less than £20m now. Highly doubt the £30m for Shaw would be up front so for the sake of him being home-grown & 3 years younger, the few million difference in price there would be between them would be worth it.
 
Brwned said:
I don't think his price tag would raise expectations in any way myself. We all expect him to be a top class left back, the best in the league and one of the best in the world - the price paid wouldn't change any of that. Being English essentially gives us a much stronger chance of him staying with us for the the rest of his career. You could probably count the number of foreign players that retired with us on one hand - it's just how it is. That is a perfectly good reason for an inflated price.
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Plus people underrate the difference between a player who's playing well in a foreign country and a foreign league and a player who's already playing well in the PL. It's not necessarily about the PL's quality, it's just about buying a known quantity. We've already seen how Shaw performs in exactly the environment and against exactly the opponents that he'd be facing for us. When you think of how many great players in every single position have come in and just never really worked out in England - even players who seemed like they'd be a perfect fit here - that kind of certainty is definitely worth serious money.
 
Brwned said:
I don't think his price tag would raise expectations in any way myself. We all expect him to be a top class left back, the best in the league and one of the best in the world - the price paid wouldn't change any of that. Being English essentially gives us a much stronger chance of him staying with us for the the rest of his career. You could probably count the number of foreign players that retired with us on one hand - it's just how it is. That is a perfectly good reason for an inflated price.
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He may end up failing to live up to his hype and revert to become just a simple young english leftback that isn't anywhere near the best in the world ( a bit like Anderson or Nani failled to live up to their hype) in that case he could be here for a long time or he could be sold to some other Pl team and he wouldn't have been worth the £30m investment.

He may end up living up to his hype and become the best lefback in the world, in which case no doubt he'll have Real Madrid all over him in a couple of years and we'll have to see how much we'll get for him to decide if he was worth the £30m or not. Or he might decide to feck us over when his contract is running out and decide to ditch us for his boyhood club chelsea.

There are many scenario thinkable were he wouldn't stay here for his entire career, no certainty about that at 18 years old. Just as you don't have a certainty that he'll become the best leftback in the world (in fact I don't think he'll ever be because Alaba clearly is). But I do know one thing for sure, just being english doesn't warrant £10m more in the price tag.
 
Santos J said:
Shaw & Rodriguez would cost similar amounts, Wolfsburg are in no need of money at all & they've just qualified for Europe so they'll not be in any rush to get rid of their best players. They're apparently in talks with him about a new contract there and either way I don't think there's any chance he'd go for less than £20m now. Highly doubt the £30m for Shaw would be up front so for the sake of him being home-grown & 3 years younger, the few million difference in price there would be between them would be worth it.
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£20m and £30m is a big difference...

Doesn't matter that Wolfsburg qualified for Europe, they aren't in the CL and if you look at the kind of players they buy and the amounts of money that surround this club, they would be in no position to turn down good bids for Rodriguez. Wolfsbrug may not need to sell him, but if Rodriguez can make the move to United, he'll ask for a transfer and a fair fee will be in the region of £15-£20m. That is a big difference with the £30m we'd have to pay for Shaw. Not to mention the difference in wages.
 
With the proposed level of investment this summer, I'd hate to end up like City and form a side with minimal English players. Top English talents are few and far between nowadays and as a fan I'm really not arsed about a premium of about 10m if the club sanction it and it means securing a top young player in a position we desperately need one.
 
Red Dreams said:
never understand fans worrying what we are paying for players. If a player works out...whatever we spent will be fine. If he does not.....we would have wasted the money.

Its like any business.
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You'd happily see us spend £120m on this kid then, presumably? As long as he turns out a good player, of course.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
He may end up living up to his hype and become the best lefback in the world, in which case no doubt he'll have Real Madrid all over him in a couple of years and we'll have to see how much we'll get for him to decide if he was worth the £30m or not. Or he might decide to feck us over when his contract is running out and decide to ditch us for his boyhood club chelsea.
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Bingo, there's one difference for you right there. Infinitely more likely to hold onto an English player in this situation. Rooney and Ferdinand have both been sought after abroad and we've kept both. Buy one of your foreign suggestions and if they come good then we're much more likely to lose them than we would Shaw.
 
Brightonian said:
Bingo, there's one difference for you right there. Infinitely more likely to hold onto an English player in this situation. Rooney and Ferdinand have both been sought after abroad and we've kept both. Buy one of your foreign suggestions and if they come good then we're much more likely to lose them than we would Shaw.
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I wouldn't mind losing out on a good leftback we paid £15m within 2 or 3 years, if we could sell him for £25m to Real Madrid. I would mind losing out on a player we paid £30m and see him go to Real madrid for £25m.

Besides Beckham fecked off to Madrid just the same, so no guarantees there

I just think £30m for an 18 year old is insane, definitley if it just for the leftback position, nothing is going to change my mind over that. No doubt he'll be a good addition, but with that kind of money we could strenghten us in other positions and bring in more important players.

Shaw is clearly the next english hype and they never ever worked out the way we hoped they would. Smalling and Jones are examples of that, we paid alot of money for them and according to some it was justified because in a couple of years they were going to both be worldclass centrebacks and they would be the new Ferdinand and Terry and we would both have them as replacements for the real Ferdinand and Vidic. We are at that stage now and I don't feel confident about these players, I don't see them as worldclass, I don't think they suffice to lead our backline as first choices, I don't think they were worth as much as we paid for them. They are still rated highly on here, but I guarantee you, most people that aren't United fans laugh their ass off thinking about how much we spend on them so many years ago. They simply failed to live up to their hype, they were overpriced because they were english and Shaw is going to go exactly down that same path, only we'll have paid £10 to £15m more for him, so most people outside United will laugh a bit louder at us for being so stupid to keep falling in the same trap over and over again and not learning. (other examples of english hype, Zaha and Young (perhaps also Powell) here at this club, Downing and Caroll at Liverpool, never has an english player justified his price tag in the Pl the last couple of years).

Read my lips Shaw isn't worth £30m !
 
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NoArroJusBeta said:
I wouldn't mind losing out on a good leftback we paid £15m within 2 or 3 years, if we could sell him for £25m to Real Madrid. I would mind losing out on a player we paid £30m and see him go to Real madrid for £25m.

Besides Beckham fecked off to Madrid just the same, so no guarantees there
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And what a likely event that is, you must be fraught with concern.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
I wouldn't mind losing out on a good leftback we paid £15m within 2 or 3 years, if we could sell him for £25m to Real Madrid. I would mind losing out on a player we paid £30m and see him go to Real madrid for £25m.
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Really? I'd rather we spend the extra money and keep our best players. The £10m profit you made there (which then leaves us having to find another top LB, fun!) is probably less than we make each year off our 'official fried snack sponsor'.

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