never understand fans worrying what we are paying for players. If a player works out...whatever we spent will be fine. If he does not.....we would have wasted the money.
Its like any business.
Its like any business.
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Exactly. So why don't you wait for the actual announcement instead of simply saying the same thing over and over again?
so why are you on the transfer forum?
its all speculation.
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those quotes you pulled together were after the latest news speculations. many others were saying the same thing.
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I didn't know about Ca$hley bawling his eyes out after the chavs game. Looks like he is on his way out which does make you wonder about Shaw coming here.
Wasn't Terry crying too? I don't think Shaw would start for them unless they move Ivanovic to CB and play Azpi on the right.
Azpi is a RB too
I know, but what I meant is, would it be worth spending about 30m on a left back who might not start. Ivanovic and Azpi have both been brilliant for Chelsea. So unless Ivanovic is moving into the middle I don't see why they'd do it.
Plus, wouldn't be like Mourinho to trust a 18 year old in his defence.
Ivonovic is next to useless going forward and can't cross a ball to save his life. Wouldn't be bad at all to move him back to his natural position as a CB where he can rotate for Terry, who more likely than not won't go a whole season playing every single match again.
That in turn will free up Azpilicueta's natural RB position and open up LB for Shaw.
That in turn will free up Azpilicueta's natural RB position and open up LB for Shaw.
This makes far too much sense
It's Mourinho though. His job now is to dismantle the Chelsea side so it's no longer competitive before he moves on to do the same to City and Liverpool until he can land United job properly. Not signing Shaw who makes perfect sense as Cole replacement would be a good move from that perspective.
Yeah if Terry is leaving too then Ivanovic could slot in there with Cahill. Im not confident now of a Shaw deal
I don't think there's any way Terry leaves. The least likely of the "old guard."
I reckon Mourinho actually wants a defensive fullback on one flank, ie Ivanovic.
We won't sign Luke Shaw this summer (or at all) despite the media claiming it's a done deal. There I said it.
Azpilicueta is a defensive fullback. Makes what Hazard has done this season even more impressive because he's had to take on 2-3 defenders most of the time down his side since they don't have to really worry about Azpilicueta who hardly ever attacks.
If they had Shaw/Filipe Luis/Rodriguez on the left who actually overlap and put in good crosses it'll make Hazard even more dangerous. Hopefully Mourinho doesn't feel the same because that will be trouble for the rest of us.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...lsea-hand-Man-Utd-Shaw-boost-with-Moreno-move
Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho wants to sign Seville's Alberto Moreno, 21, as Cole's replacement, having cooled his interest in Southampton star Luke Shaw.
That has in turn boosted Manchester United's chances of securing the 18-year-old this summer.
Mourinho thinks Shaw is too expensive at £30million, amid reports United will pay that figure and hand the left-back a £100,000-a-week contract to bring him to Old Trafford.
But Chelsea are happy to sidestep Shaw and push ahead with a £15m move for Moreno.
Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho wants to sign Seville's Alberto Moreno, 21, as Cole's replacement, having cooled his interest in Southampton star Luke Shaw.
That has in turn boosted Manchester United's chances of securing the 18-year-old this summer.
Mourinho thinks Shaw is too expensive at £30million, amid reports United will pay that figure and hand the left-back a £100,000-a-week contract to bring him to Old Trafford.
But Chelsea are happy to sidestep Shaw and push ahead with a £15m move for Moreno.
we need Shaw more than Chelsea does. Chelsea already have the best defence in the league. they are trying to comply with FFP thesedays, and they need to spend money up front.
we're definitely the clear favourites for a reason.
we're definitely the clear favourites for a reason.
Yeess that's why he's the best fullback in the league.
It's actually insane that Shaw may cost twice as much as any other highly rated fullback.
Stats are not everything obviously but Ivanovich has 3 goals, 1 assist, and 0.8 key passes/game from 35 PL games. Shaw has 0 goals, 1 assist, and 1 key pass/game from 34 PL games.
Shaw's potential going forward is much higher than Ivanovic's but I wouldn't say the difference is massive right now. Mourinho cares mostly about the "right now" when buying players so it makes more sense to splash the cash in places where the improvement is more tangible right away like in the striker position.
Despite the fact he's got twice as long left in his career?
I'm not sure it would be the end of the world. Left back seems to be a position were there are a number of good options possibly available (eg Coentrao, Rodriguez, Moreno, A. Sandro, Filipe) any of whom would likely come in and do a comparable job to Shaw (probably at a lower cost). A creative central midfielder is where we are likely to seriously struggle.
Yeah, what I meant by going forward is taking on the opposing fullback, beating his man, and putting in an accurate ball. Ivanovic is pretty terrible at those (which is to be expected since he's a natural CB) but he's really good in the air on set pieces.
Those stats show that Shaw isn't too much better, but whenever I've watched him he looks much more comfortable in attack and puts in some lovely crosses (Moyes would've loved him
).That Moreno kid that they're now being linked with looks like the opposite of the type of fullback Mourinho would have in his side. He looks like a Barca type.
Moreno is 21 and Rodriguez is 22 I think. They're both at the begging of their careers too and are probably going to go at half the price.
Azpilicueta is now a full Spanish international, is arguably the best LB in the league, and only 24. He cost £7m. Shaw is only priced this highly because he's English.
But how long in those career, we have to put up with him making mistakes and us losing games before he fulfills his potential?
And that's IF things going smoothly for him.
British. And plays at a position where there's a dearth of top talent. Much rather have the English player at a position where talent is hard to come.
That's true tbf. What I meant was he'd want 1 defensive FB at all times but you're right, Azpilicueta at RB and Shaw at LB is the same.
Left Footed Left Back who can cross the ball, track back, has lightening pace, plays in a high tempo team focused on wing play and possession. 30m is an absolute bargain just for the fact hes a decent left footed LWB.
Short memories on here Rio was 30m years and years ago. Over his career 100% worth it. Great defenders are typically very expensive.
Short memories on here Rio was 30m years and years ago. Over his career 100% worth it. Great defenders are typically very expensive.
Since when did Shaw have lightning pace?
I was going to ask the same.
He will prove a bargain
For 30m quoted, I think that Chelsea will be looking to improve the LB position with another player
Ferdinand was nailed on the best defender in the league and was 23 not 18 when you signed him. £30M for Shaw is silly
He does. He's a flying machine.
I'm not really bothered by it either, but we do have to remember it's not an endless pit. What we spend on one player is money that can't be spent elsewhere.
I said this once in the newbies and got slaughtered for it.
the point I am making is, this is business and we should let the club run it. I am all for speculating about who we want or don't. One thing is for sure...what we pay for players is not going to go down.
cause we have a lot of mini accountants around...
seriously though...its harmless discussion. But I really don't care...if the player does his job for us.....that's all that matters. And like anything in business...you make good deals and bad deals.
btw.....the happiest Board must be A. Madrid's....Simeone must have saved them tons.
Absofckinloutely! I don't think full backs learn how to defend anymore.
Yes I agree. £30m for Shaw? Yes please, let's wrap it up now. But like you say, it's all relevant to the kitty, would we want to pay that much for him if it meant we don't get a world class midfielder? But I'd like to think that there's enough for both, so I couldn't care less.
I'm normally in the camp of preferring to see youngsters come through, to sign gems and generally not go all out for a big name signing. But this summer is like no other, so I look forward to at least 2 or 3 big names, the rest I'd be happy to be promoted from the youth.
we have been left behind....by only getting bogbrush last season.
I hope we will see a similar situation to the class of 92....Wilson,Peraira,Pearson.....may happen.
but have to buy in...to keep up with the top teams.
I hope we will see a similar situation to the class of 92....Wilson,Peraira,Pearson.....may happen.
but have to buy in...to keep up with the top teams.
The worlds gone mad. I've read all the arguments and I agree with most however, I still think its a lot of money for a player who is unproven at the highest level. I very much doubt if we buy him, he cost around 15m with add ons...
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