Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...

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The only way this lads going for around the £30m mentioned is if Southampton manage to drum up serious interest from at least 2 clubs and play them off against one another. If they can do this with United, Chelsea & Liverpool then they'll be laughing.

£30m sounds like a lot for a 19 yo who is really an unproven talent (I'm classing 2 assists and 0 goals this season as unproven anyway, despite him being impressive defensively). However if the demand is there and other clubs are prepared to pay that, then that's all that really matters.
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
The worlds gone mad. The lads looks like a prospect but unproven at the highest level including internationally. He should be around Smalling and Jones money....
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We wouldn't have got Jones for 16.5m had it not been for his buyout clause and the only other interest for Smalling was Arsenal who at that time couldn't afford to compete with us even if it was for only 10-13m. Shaw has Chelsea/City/United all looking at him and Southampton know it. I think in a few years we'll look at 30m as being money well spent.
 
don't get the certainty people are talking about things with.

Since when did we outbid Chelsea and City if they're seriously after someone?

Paper talk is all we really have to go on, and if you'd listened to that last summer, we'd have bought a sh!Tload more than just Fellaini.

Will Van Gaal even want him? Noone really knows.
 
It won't be a straight £30m fee, I bet a large part of it will be made up in appearances and competition wins. We need a LB and this lad is a massive prospect we should make him a priority signing imo.
 
goin4glory said:
We wouldn't have got Jones for 16.5m had it not been for his buyout clause and the only other interest for Smalling was Arsenal who at that time couldn't afford to compete with us even if it was for only 10-13m. Shaw has Chelsea/City/United all looking at him and Southampton know it. I think in a few years we'll look at 30m as being money well spent.
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So using your logic, we are only potentially paying 30m for him cause Chelsea and City are looking at him too, and they have money?
 
Sandikan said:
don't get the certainty people are talking about things with.

Since when did we outbid Chelsea and City if they're seriously after someone?

Paper talk is all we really have to go on, and if you'd listened to that last summer, we'd have bought a sh!Tload more than just Fellaini.

Will Van Gaal even want him? Noone really knows.
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Well City have Clichy and Kolarov. They need to offload one of them and if they do the one who stays isn't going to be happy playing second fiddle to Shaw given that they are in their prime right now. Chelsea is a different story and they will be our main contenders for his signature. If its £30m straight up, then Chelsea will have to look at FFP. That might help us in the end.
 
Ana a LB is probably not a top priority for Chelsea considering how well Azpi has played in that position this season.
 
That depends on if Cole leaves or not. If he stays then there is competition for him there as well. One of Buttner or Evra is leaving and Shaw can take their place.
 
peterstorey said:
I can if he's got a limited budget and wants to buy a couple of CMs.
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Moyes was looking at centre mids as well as left backs. He wouldn't have done that if there wasn't a budget to get both.
 
Ashley Cole was crying after the game yesterday so you can assume he's off.

They'll surely be in for a LB.
 
Cole will be off, and Az could surely move to right back, meaning there's a vacancy.

We'll see though.

Thankfully the world cup starting mid June means some business should be done early, and if not, we've got an excellent distraction!
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
So using your logic, we are only potentially paying 30m for him cause Chelsea and City are looking at him too, and they have money?
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No my logic is that competition for a players signature will increase his pricetag and the example for us overpaying for him in Jones wasn't accurate since Jones had a buyout clause which Liverpool were willing to exceed. Had Chelsea/City been actively pursuing Jones and he had no buyout clause he'd of cost us much more.
 
goin4glory said:
No my logic is that competition for a players signature will increase his pricetag and the example for us overpaying for him in Jones wasn't accurate since Jones had a buyout clause which Liverpool were willing to exceed. Had Chelsea/City been actively pursuing Jones and he had no buyout clause he'd of cost us much more.
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Where does those all those variables stop then...? If that's the case there's a million 'ifs n' buts' you can attribute to any transfer deal....
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
The worlds gone mad. The lads looks like a prospect but unproven at the highest level including internationally. He should be around Smalling and Jones money....
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Smalling had played a handful of games for Fulham. Phil Jones had played the majority of games in a full season before we signed him but I don't think he stood out as much as Shaw has.

Shaw has now had two very good seasons in the PL, been capped for England, in the PFA Team of the year, a nominee for YPTOY. He's still just 18, Shaw has done a hell of a lot more to be demanding transfer fees higher than what we paid for Jones and Smalling IMO.
 
I do hope we get a left back this summer, but I'm not quite sure of this lad, mainly because of the price tag. I know he's talented, there's no denying that, but will he have a mental capability for playing for Manchester United especially under that massive price tag. Im inclined to prefer a relatively unknown left back from Spanish or German league for a much cheaper price that can come into the side with much less pressure and make the position his own. Mind you we are replacing an massive figure at the club in Evra, which can also add its own dimensions of pressure to perform.

I just hope who ever we get, will flourish and become a fantastic player for us.
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
Where does those all those variables stop then...? If that's the case there's a million 'ifs n' buts' you can attribute to any transfer deal....
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Which is why every transfer deal is unique and the amount paid will be based on a variety of variables. Age/current ability/potential/competition for signature/financial status of selling or buying club and I could go on and on.

The variables in the Jones deal are completely different from the Shaw one. Jones had a buyout clause Shaw doesn't. Chelsea/City didn't put money on the table for him although liverpool were willing to pay more than his clause which is what caused us some bother and delayed his signing.
 
@Red Dreams: Why do you keep saying the same thing over and over again with absolutely no evidence to back it all up?

Red Dreams said:
looks like Shaw and Carvalho are done deals. If we get Kroos we would be almost there. CB and RB have been also mention.
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Red Dreams said:
looks like this is a done deal...hope Carvalho is also coming to us.
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Red Dreams said:
he apparently is waiting to see who the next manager is before he finalizes....
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Red Dreams said:
Shaw is a certain signing for us.
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Get In Scholesy said:
I do hope we get a left back this summer, but I'm not quite sure of this lad, mainly because of the price tag. I know he's talented, there's no denying that, but will he have a mental capability for playing for Manchester United especially under that massive price tag. Im inclined to prefer a relatively unknown left back from Spanish or German league for a much cheaper price that can come into the side with much less pressure and make the position his own. Mind you we are replacing an massive figure at the club in Evra, which can also add its own dimensions of pressure to perform.

I just hope who ever we get, will flourish and become a fantastic player for us.
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An interesting perspective and some good points, but I'd worry that a relative unknown could turn out to be not good enough and then we'd be back to square one, by which time Shaw will have been snapped up elsewhere.

There's an element of risk in any signing, particularly for that amount of money, but Shaw has taken a Premier League debut at 17, playing a full season at this level and an England debut at 18 in his stride and never looked out of place. This is a chance to potentially sort the left back position out for years, so if we get the chance to sign him this summer (I do think he'll leave Southampton), we need to take it in my opinion.
 
Chelsea have a habit of coming in late for players and they will be buying a left back this summer, so this is no done deal.
 
adam118 said:
Chelsea have a habit of coming in late for players and they will be buying a left back this summer, so this is no done deal.
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We've already got one of the best left backs in the league. Jose seems to really like Azpilicueta there and Ivanovic on the right. I can't see us spending the kind of dosh it will take to get Shaw.
 
adam118 said:
Chelsea have a habit of coming in late for players and they will be buying a left back this summer, so this is no done deal.
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I must admit I am a bit more concerned about that now Cole looks like he's certainly on his way this summer.

Shaw is a modern day full back though in that he's always looking to bomb on and join the attack. I wonder if this would suit Mourinho's style of play as he generally asks his full backs to be willing to stay defensive. The two he plays there now suit that very well.
 
duffer said:
We've already got one of the best left backs in the league. Jose seems to really like Azpilicueta there and Ivanovic on the right. I can't see us spending the kind of dosh it will take to get Shaw.
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Yep. You'd be using that sort of money on getting a forward, then pay about £10-15M less for a different left back, probably Felipe Luis.
 
Damien said:
Yep. You'd be using that sort of money on getting a forward, then pay about £10-15M less for a different left back, probably Felipe Luis.
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Felipe Luis is about to turn 29. They seem to be targeting young players who have potential to become great lately so I can't see why they'd be after him.

This is one of the reasons I'm not going to get excited about Shaw until I see him holding a red shirt. Chelsea are still in this. I'm sure Mourinho would love to replace his old English players with new, young English players. Shaw for Cole and I'd be shocked if they weren't after Barkley soon to replace Lampard.
 
ThanksBoss26 said:
An interesting perspective and some good points, but I'd worry that a relative unknown could turn out to be not good enough and then we'd be back to square one, by which time Shaw will have been snapped up elsewhere.

There's an element of risk in any signing, particularly for that amount of money, but Shaw has taken a Premier League debut at 17, playing a full season at this level and an England debut at 18 in his stride and never looked out of place. This is a chance to potentially sort the left back position out for years, so if we get the chance to sign him this summer (I do think he'll leave Southampton), we need to take it in my opinion.
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This is true, there is always a risk, whether its a 30 million signing or a 5 million signing. As I said, I really do hope whoever we sign will sort out our issues at left back, if Shaw is that person than so be it I just hope we get this issue solved this summer as we have had Evra playing past his peak for 4 years now. On that note, I really do hope we keep Evra so he can help settle our new left back as he seems to be such a leader on and off the pitch.
 
Would be happy with either this lad or Coentrao. If money is limited then Coentrao might be better value though, I reckon.

My other reservation with Shaw is whether he is ready to step into being immediate first choice with little to no backup, for a club the size of United. What happens when he has a few bad games (which is inevitable) and the manager maybe wants to take him out of the spotlight? I hope Evra stays on for another year for this reason.
 
saivet said:
Smalling had played a handful of games for Fulham. Phil Jones had played the majority of games in a full season before we signed him but I don't think he stood out as much as Shaw has.

Shaw has now had two very good seasons in the PL, been capped for England, in the PFA Team of the year, a nominee for YPTOY. He's still just 18, Shaw has done a hell of a lot more to be demanding transfer fees higher than what we paid for Jones and Smalling IMO.
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Yes, but twice as much?
 
goin4glory said:
Which is why every transfer deal is unique and the amount paid will be based on a variety of variables. Age/current ability/potential/competition for signature/financial status of selling or buying club and I could go on and on.

The variables in the Jones deal are completely different from the Shaw one. Jones had a buyout clause Shaw doesn't. Chelsea/City didn't put money on the table for him although liverpool were willing to pay more than his clause which is what caused us some bother and delayed his signing.
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Come on, you don't know that for certain, you sound like your Jones's agent.....
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
Yes, but twice as much?
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Meh. We really need a left-back, Shaw will be top quality, we're more desperate than usual this summer and Southampton aren't really a minnow that can be bent over. It's a lot of money but, consider that Evra's just completed his eighth season for us. Shaw, if signed and still here after the same amount of time, would still be 26. About Evra's age when we won the Champions League. As long as he doesn't have bad luck with injuries or develop a bad mentality, we aren't going to care how much he cost.
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
Come on, you don't know that for certain, you sound like your Jones's agent.....
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ited-after-Blackburn-Rovers-admit-defeat.html

http://footylatest.com/liverpool-aim-to-hijack-phil-jones-with-bid-of-22m/22687

http://www.sportskeeda.com/football/buy-–-out-clause-and-the-transfer-tussle/

If you'd like any more info go back to the Jones thread during his transfer saga to read plenty more about it. It's common knowledge.
 
Is it a lot of money? yeah.
Is it coming directly out of your pockets? no.

We're not going to spend 30m if we don't have it or if it leaves us scraping the barrel.
He may be young but somebody is going to have to pay for his services, whether it's us, Chelsea, Liverpool etc.

The last few times I can recall us opting out of paying huge fee's for young unproven stars worked out with us missing out on the likes of Sanchez, Lucas & Hazard. Are we going to continue to do it or do we now know that it is pretty much required if we want to beat the best teams to the best players.
 
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