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How about we offer 20 million on top of that and buy Southampton's youth team coaches as well ? They've produced some really good players these last few years - Lallana, Rodriguez, Ward Prowse, Chambers, Gallaghers, Shaw and even Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Bale, Walcott in the past. If we could produce such players on a regular basis it might be beneficial in the long run.

I really like some of what they're doing, although apparently it seems a bit "Moyesesque" :nervous:

"Next season, the junior teams at Southampton’s academy will be presented with mini-iPads with a specially-designed Saints App to monitor their training progress.
It will measure their performance, fitness, skills, with notes from their coaches, as they progress through the Saints system."
 
hungrywing said:
Sigh. Four point eight million caftards have already pointed this out, but still: what's the point of a scouting network if we're just 'unearthing' gems on display in a window at Harrods/Bergdorf-Goodman/(insert region-appropriate high-end store here).

Just a minor grumble about the club potentially sacrificing its roots/giving up way too much transfer market leverage in a fit of overreaction.
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Signing the best young players in the country is absolutely not sacrificing our roots, it's following what Fergie did for decades. Rooney and Rio are two of our best ever signings and they're bang in that bracket.
 
El-Manos said:
Players of his age group? I doubt it man, Shaw in my opinion is the most talented young left back out there. Alberto moreno would be a good shout but he is not as good in my opinion. Shaw is evidently quality and will only improve, a very steep price, I agree but he will be worth it in the end.
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Not within his age group but still players not much older than him. If it meant spending more money on a quality midfielder, I'd rather we spent on a player of similar quality who would serve us just as well.
 
Tarrou said:
Why is it such a massive risk?

The absolute worst case scenario is he flops, we sell him for cheap or he goes on a free at the end of his contract. And what? That's going to put us in financial ruin?

How much would Rodriguez cost? Probably at least £15 million because it's us. So we're paying twice that for a player who's proved he can cut it in the PL already at age 18.

If anything we're taking the safer option. There is risk in any transfer and if you want to build a team of the best players in the world you have take risks on up and coming players like Shaw. We did it with Rio, we did it with Rooney. Those worked. We also did it with some players and it didn't work but that's life.

Why bring Young into it? Ok, so we bought a player once who turned out to be shit. We can't worry about that every time we want to sign an English player.
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Rodriguez has been phenomenal this season. If he's available for half the price I'd go with him every time.

Regarding Shaw, I think he'd be a great signing for you lot. I wanted us to sign him.

marjen said:
That's steep but obviously a result of the fact that Southampton know they're sitting on a gold mine.

Will be the best LB in the league for the next 14 years, so I'd say it's a decent deal.
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Impossible to call that.

Brwned said:
Bringing in an 18 year old left back is just what this team needs. De Gea (23), Shaw (18), Jones (22), Smalling (24) and Rafael (23) has the makings of a brilliant unit in 18 months or so and could be the backbone of our side for the next 5 years. Along with Januzaj (19), Mata (25) and Kagawa (25) we've got plenty of youth to rebuild this side. We just need that midfielder or two to knit this all together and we could be playing brilliant football with a vibrant young team.

Kolarov cost £19m at 25. A better left back at 18 for just £10m more doesn't sound like a disaster to me.
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Not sure having a young defence is the best. Ideally I think you'd have one player of experience at least.
 
invictus said:
How about we offer 20 million on top of that and buy Southampton's youth team coaches as well ? They've produced some really good players these last few years - Lallana, Rodriguez, Ward Prowse, Chambers, Gallaghers, Shaw and even Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Bale, Walcott in the past. If we could produce such players on a regular basis it might be beneficial in the long run.

I really like some of what they're doing, although apparently it seems a bit "Moyesesque" :nervous:

"Next season, the junior teams at Southampton’s academy will be presented with mini-iPads with a specially-designed Saints App to monitor their training progress.
It will measure their performance, fitness, skills, with notes from their coaches, as they progress through the Saints system."
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Fulham have already taken their youth coaches.
 
mufcwarm92 said:
Signing the best young players in the country is absolutely not sacrificing our roots, it's following what Fergie did for decades. Rooney and Rio are two of our best ever signings and they're bang in that bracket.
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Fair enough. If he turns out to be as effective as Rio was with respect to his position, I'll be the first one to hop on the rickshaw.
 
Apparently, Moyes laid all the groundwork and convinced Shaw to turn down Chelsea and come to United. Appears Moyes worked a lot on potential transfers. Seems a shame that he has gone considering that he was dead set on bringing in players in areas that dually need additions and has worked hard on getting the players. Makes you think that, if we do get Shaw and other targets that Moyes worked on, given the time, would he have come good in the end? We'll never know now but I am optimistic about our future under a new manager, especially if we have young talent like Shaw coming to the club.
 
JaapStam1986 said:
Apparently, Moyes laid all the groundwork and convinced Shaw to turn down Chelsea and come to United. Appears Moyes worked a lot on potential transfers. Seems a shame that he has gone considering that he was dead set on bringing in players in areas that dually need additions and has worked hard on getting the players. Makes you think that, if we do get Shaw and other targets that Moyes worked on, given the time, would he have come good in the end? We'll never know now but I am optimistic about our future under a new manager, especially if we have young talent like Shaw coming to the club.
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So tapped him up then? For shame Mr Moyes, for shame.
 
invictus said:
How about we offer 20 million on top of that and buy Southampton's youth team coaches as well ? They've produced some really good players these last few years - Lallana, Rodriguez, Ward Prowse, Chambers, Gallaghers, Shaw and even Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Bale, Walcott in the past. If we could produce such players on a regular basis it might be beneficial in the long run.

I really like some of what they're doing, although apparently it seems a bit "Moyesesque" :nervous:

"Next season, the junior teams at Southampton’s academy will be presented with mini-iPads with a specially-designed Saints App to monitor their training progress.
It will measure their performance, fitness, skills, with notes from their coaches, as they progress through the Saints system."
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How much of it is their set up though, and how much of it is being in a terrific catchment area, when we're probably in one of the worst in the country?
Not to mention them having been lower league all too recently, and even now having much less high standards than us, meaning they have time to bed players in, in a way we certainly don't.
 
What if we just kept Moyes all this time just to do the illegal tapping up for us, and then sacked him just before it can be flipped onto us.
 
Brwned said:
Bringing in an 18 year old left back is just what this team needs. De Gea (23), Shaw (18), Jones (22), Smalling (24) and Rafael (23) has the makings of a brilliant unit in 18 months or so and could be the backbone of our side for the next 5 years. Along with Januzaj (19), Mata (25) and Kagawa (25) we've got plenty of youth to rebuild this side. We just need that midfielder or two to knit this all together and we could be playing brilliant football with a vibrant young team.

Kolarov cost £19m at 25. A better left back at 18 for just £10m more doesn't sound like a disaster to me.
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I know you're a bit of a forum legend, but had to laugh at the "just 10m more" comment.

Last time I checked £10m is still a sh!Tload of money, especially when the deal becomes a £30m one!!
 
BarneyLFC said:
Not sure having a young defence is the best. Ideally I think you'd have one player of experience at least.
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Evans is plenty experienced, and would get into that unit ahead of Smalling. Sure, he's not exactly old yet, but he's played more league-chasing and Champions League football than a lot of older 'experienced' players so I think he more than counts.

I also reckon there's a strong chance we might keep Evra around to play a few games and be ready to take the reigns in case Shaw or whoever else we get has a form wobble.
 
Our defenders may be young, but they've plenty of experience at the highest level and they've won the Premier League.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
We definitely need to look towards a new generation of players. The core of the 06-13 Fergie side is slowly dying out - Scholes retired, Giggs an OAP, Vidic gone, Rio possibly not staying, Evra regressing, Carrick regressing.

So far the only player we've properly replaced is Edwin van der Sar. I think Luke Shaw coming in is absolutely spot on, but if Rio leaves too (which I believe he should) it's absolutely vital that we buy a centre back too and someone close to the peak of his powers rather than a baby (such as when we first brought in Jones) or an oldie.

Delighted if we get Shaw though - although unless the club knows something we don't I do question his reasons for closing a deal (if it's true) whilst we are managerless. Money talks doesn't it?
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This is England and we are still a big draw in this league despite Moyes' spirited efforts to diminish that . He will know that the wage we are offering him is the best any leftback moving clubs can hope for and if he wastes time then we will buy someone else and his chance will be gone for a few years . Why miss out on being the starting leftback of a team which boasts illustrious names such as Rooney,Mata, Van Persie and Kagawa which is likely to aggressively seek out another superstar or two .
 
Brwned said:
Bringing in an 18 year old left back is just what this team needs. De Gea (23), Shaw (18), Jones (22), Smalling (24) and Rafael (23) has the makings of a brilliant unit in 18 months or so and could be the backbone of our side for the next 5 years. Along with Januzaj (19), Mata (25) and Kagawa (25) we've got plenty of youth to rebuild this side. We just need that midfielder or two to knit this all together and we could be playing brilliant football with a vibrant young team.
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I feel massively this way. I actually thought that after Fergie people would be surprised to see our players actually playing better than we had for a season or two under him. Maybe not winning the trophies, but producing more cohesive football with more of a distinct personality. Not because I thought he was doing anything wrong, but just because it seemed like the whole club was sort of waiting for his inevitable retirement, and the relentless drive for progress which is so crucial to any top team had sort of withered away. Obviously when I was saying that I expected us to get Mourinho, Guardiola or Klopp, and it hasn't worked out that way, but I still think that has more to do with Moyes than the players.

It helps that I'm also more positive about a lot of our individual players than most people seem to have become. I still think Rooney is comfortably world-class. RVP has obviously lost a yard or two of pace - and we all knew and accepted the likelihood of that when we bought him - but I still think if a quality manager can get the team playing well, both those two will be banging goals in and the cynics will be silenced for a little bit.
 
Sandikan said:
I know you're a bit of a forum legend, but had to laugh at the "just 10m more" comment.

Last time I checked £10m is still a sh!Tload of money, especially when the deal becomes a £30m one!!
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Yeah, just 11m more than the fee paid for kolarov ... that's what? More than 50 pct of that 19m? Peanuts.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Our defenders may be young, but they've plenty of experience at the highest level and they've won the Premier League.
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Thanks to the brilliance of one Mr. RvP. Our defense has been vulnerable for a long time now. We need to sort that out.
 
Whatever the fee is, i am sure its going to be broke down with performance related add-ons so what we end up paying will depend much on how successful he will be.

If Moyes is a actual reason why he wanted to come from assurance given to him than i would actually feel a little sorry for Moyes given the work he put in to try and convince to come over Cheslea.

Imagine we ended up with Shaw, Kroos, Reus and Carvalho from Moyes transfer work.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
A proper midfield would help, there's no doubting their abilities.
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Not to mention playing often and in their preferred position. They've all got bags of talent, they just need the opportunity. Injuries don't help of course. Hopefully Varela will be able to provide some backup for Rafael next year so Smalling and Jones don't need to fill in.
 
starman said:
Whatever the fee is, i am sure its going to be broke down with performance related add-ons so what we end up paying will depend much on how successful he will be.

If Moyes is a actual reason why he wanted to come from assurance given to him than i would actually feel a little sorry for Moyes given the work he put in to try and convince to come over Cheslea.

Imagine we ended up with Shaw, Kroos, Reus and Carvalho from Moyes transfer work.
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We should hire him back as chief scout. But then again i could identify those players.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
A proper midfield would help, there's no doubting their abilities.
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I agree mate, but I feel a proper LB should be priority number 1. How many goals have we leaked down that side of our defence in the last 2 seasons?

Let's get Shaw done. I don't think any incoming manager will be opposed to that. For midfield though, the inputs of the incoming manager will absolutely be required, based on his tactical preferences.
 
starman said:
If Moyes is a actual reason why he wanted to come from assurance given to him than i would actually feel a little sorry for Moyes given the work he put in to try and convince to come over Cheslea.
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Seriously, what work do you think he has done in this regard? Do you actually think that Moyes has been tapping up Shaw?
 
SirAF said:
Totally worth it IMO. The lad is already very good and his potential is great. Our LB could be sorted for the next decade if it works out - and he's English as well.
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Totally, we need him, like we needed Rio, and Pallister. People saying 20 is fair but 30 is too much ... it's all too much, but he's worth what someone will pay.
 
starman said:
Whatever the fee is, i am sure its going to be broke down with performance related add-ons so what we end up paying will depend much on how successful he will be.

If Moyes is a actual reason why he wanted to come from assurance given to him than i would actually feel a little sorry for Moyes given the work he put in to try and convince to come over Cheslea.

Imagine we ended up with Shaw, Kroos, Reus and Carvalho from Moyes transfer work.
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Then he will have earned some of the 5 million quid he got for 10 months work.
 
Are there any good videos of him out there? The ones on YT are all a bit short and nothingy. I haven't seen much more of him than on MOTD and have never thought that this kid is nailed on to be world class. I always just thought that he is good for his age.
 
Mainoldo said:
We should hire him back as chief scout. But then again i could identify those players.
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Good on you, you still will need to convince them to come. and 90% of the people on here had never even heard of Carvalho 6 months ago.
duffer said:
Seriously, what work do you think he has done in this regard? Do you actually think that Moyes has been tapping up Shaw?
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I would be surprised if 99% of transfers conducted today does not have some form of tapping up, he only needs to pick up a phone.

He could have assured him he will be his starting full back and is planning to build United to his model and he will be the ground to that foundation. Same applies to the other targets
 
If we sign him I will be delighted. Young, English and a brilliant talent. Already at a very high level. That will be our left-back spot sorted for a while.

Hopefully 1 LB - Shaw, 1 or 2 CM's - Kroos/Fabregas/Rakitic/Carvalho, 1 CB - Garay, 1 winger - Reus/Griezmann/Pedro/Draxler/Lucas? Not 100% sure.
 
Mail saying we want him and Lallana for £55m.

I'd take Shaw. Lallana can do one.
 
Bojan11 said:
Mail saying we want him and Lallana for £55m.

I'd take Shaw. Lallana can do one.
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Yep. Good player but terribly overrated.

Although it wouldn't surprise me. Van Gaal loves wingers as much as Ferguson, but if we go for a winger, hopefully we have someone better in mind.
 
This guy has been my number 1 transfer dream for the past year. Every time I see him play I'm massively impressed, has tremendous energy and fitness, is very quick, can dribble and defend plus he's only 18! Not worried about transfer fees I think this kid is top notch and we'd be lucky to have him.

Lallana is a player I would not want however, he is talented but we have better players than him in his favoured position of central attacking mid. Get Shaw pass on Lallana.
 
starman said:
Whatever the fee is, i am sure its going to be broke down with performance related add-ons so what we end up paying will depend much on how successful he will be.

If Moyes is a actual reason why he wanted to come from assurance given to him than i would actually feel a little sorry for Moyes given the work he put in to try and convince to come over Cheslea.

Imagine we ended up with Shaw, Kroos, Reus and Carvalho from Moyes transfer work.
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Heh. Also I really think we'd not have signed Mata if Moyes didn't have us struggling so bad by January!
 
starman said:
Whatever the fee is, i am sure its going to be broke down with performance related add-ons so what we end up paying will depend much on how successful he will be.

If Moyes is a actual reason why he wanted to come from assurance given to him than i would actually feel a little sorry for Moyes given the work he put in to try and convince to come over Cheslea.

Imagine we ended up with Shaw, Kroos, Reus and Carvalho from Moyes transfer work.
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Just remember how we haven't seen the best out of his 2 tranfers, or many of the squad this year.

The whole idea that we needed huge surgery to win with Moyes was because of underachieving with a good squad.
A good manager does the opposite, maximises what you have.
 
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