Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...

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If I'm the owner of Bayern or Sporting knowing that United are in for my players and are willing to spend £30m on an unproven LB, I'm jacking the price up on Kroos or Carvalho by £20m.

He's had two very good seasons in the PL, he's 18, has a senior international cap. He's English and tipped to be England's future left back. Many would consider him a 'wonderkid'. I doubt this will affect the prices these clubs will set. They'd be looking to get a lot out of us regardless.
 
Fellaini would get just as much abuse had he cost £10m, and fans would have just moaned that we didn't spend more money and sign a better player.

I disagree completely, but everyone has an opinion so i'll move on...

But as far as Shaw's transfer goes, United are a huge club and i'd expect them to use ther muscle far better in the transfer market.

Paying £30 million for Shaw would be agreeing to Southampton's demands 100%

Tap the boy up, send SAF around to his house and get the deal down to a more reasonably valuation! Even if United need to wait a season then it makes more sense than to keep paying ridiculous fees for every player.
 
watching Alaba here makes you wonder about Shaw - best left back in the world at the minute

if you offered 25/30 million for him would Bayern be interested?
 
He's had two very good seasons in the PL, he's 18, has a senior international cap. He's English and tipped to be England's future left back. Many would consider him a 'wonderkid'. I doubt this will affect the prices these clubs will set. They'd be looking to get a lot out of us regardless.

You think clubs on the continent are going to care about any of that? They're going to say: You met Southampton's valuation meet ours. Its the sort of thing that happens to City and Chelsea every summer. You can try to negotiate down but if clubs, and agents, know you got cash to spend they'll quote the most inflated prices.
 
watching Alaba here makes you wonder about Shaw - best left back in the world at the minute

if you offered 25/30 million for him would Bayern be interested?
Never in a million years.
 
it's a fortune but if the club can afford it then who cares? We're well run financially so I'm sure they know what they're doing.
The issue comes from the fear that united don't tend to spend a 100 million in one summer and if we spend 60 million or so, then it doesn't leave much for improving the midfield and wide areas.

Also fullback tends to be a position where getting good players for reasonable prices isn't as hard as others.
 
Maybe. Alaba wouldnt be though and they cant send him here against his will

true....

its just the premium you pay on English players dealing with English teams, partciularly when you are Manchester United is very annoying

I long for the day we get revenge on Daniel Levy.....stealing Van Gaal would only be the start
 
true....

its just the premium you pay on English players dealing with English teams, partciularly when you are Manchester United is very annoying

I long for the day we get revenge on Daniel Levy.....stealing Van Gaal would only be the start

I think if Shaw was Brazilian he'd probably still cost around the same
 
£30m is a reasonable price.

it's not that he is "English" but that he is 19 and proven in the PL with massive talent.

Get with the times.
 
Bayern would struggle to shift Alaba for £30 million. Ludicrous price for a left-back.

No one's allowed to mention Wayne Bridge...
 
The market has gone insane over the last few years, surely just a coincidence that's when the sugar daddies started flooding the scene. 25m+ transfer fee and 5m+ in wages for a fullback. Madness.
 
The market has gone insane over the last few years, surely just a coincidence that's when the sugar daddies started flooding the scene. 25m+ transfer fee and 5m+ in wages for a fullback. Madness.

This would be the third time that United have purchased an English teenager for roughly £30m. Transfer fees have been silly long before the suggar daddy's arrived.
 
If he stays for 10 trophy laden years, its not a bad price to pay. We paid a lot for Rooney too and he was worth it over time.
 
This would be the third time that United have purchased an English teenager for roughly £30m. Transfer fees have been silly long before the suggar daddy's arrived.

Rooney cost 20m plus add-ons up to 7m (ulimately cost 23-25m depending on various sources), was a forward not a fullback, and had just had a stupendous Euro Cup performance. He was also considered the hottest prospect in world football at his age, at any position.

What other English teenager do you speak of that cost roughly 30m?

Transfer fees rose sharply around 1998-2003 when the Italian clubs were tossing cash around day and night. They then dipped considerably. Then Roman came along and fees spiked a bit. Then came City followed by PSG and Monaco and fees have spiraled out of control since.
 
Rooney cost 20m plus add-ons up to 7m (ulimately cost 23-25m depending on various sources), was a forward not a fullback, and had just had a stupendous Euro Cup performance. He was also considered the hottest prospect in world football at his age, at any position.

What other English teenager do you speak of that cost roughly 30m?

Transfer fees rose sharply around 1998-2003 when the Italian clubs were tossing cash around day and night. They then dipped considerably. Then Roman came along and fees spiked a bit. Then came City followed by PSG and Monaco and fees have spiraled out of control since.

United website lists Rooney transfer fee as £30m. And I made a mistake thinking Rio was much younger when you signed him.

City and Chelsea have influenced transfer fees to an extent but they were certainly crazy way before the sugar daddies and they have probably just acted as a catalyst for the rise, it was inevitable with the increased sponsorships, Tv money, prize money etc.
 
What's happened today? The tone in here seems to be approaching 'imminent arrival' status?
 
If I'm the owner of Bayern or Sporting knowing that United are in for my players and are willing to spend £30m on an unproven LB, I'm jacking the price up on Kroos or Carvalho by £20m.
How is Shaw unproven?
 
This would be the third time that United have purchased an English teenager for roughly £30m. Transfer fees have been silly long before the suggar daddy's arrived.
Well, the 'tax' on British talent also needs to be factored. £30m for a great young talent isn't all that crazy when you consider what's been paid for players like as Carroll, Milner, Young, Downing, Lescott
 
Well, the 'tax' on British talent also needs to be factored. £30m for a great young talent isn't all that crazy when you consider what's been paid for players like as Carroll, Milner, Young, Downing, Lescott

True but Milner had just come off the back of a great season, winning PFA Young Player of the Year and we somehow managed to get Ireland valued as £8m in part of the deal. Lescott and Downing were the only two who were massively overpriced. Carroll, Milner and Young all had the potential to more than justify their fees but none of them have as of yet.

But true, the worst thing is £30m for Shaw wouldn't really make me bat an eyelid.
 
A 19 year old looking at home in the Premier League for two full seasons will cost a bomb regardless of his position or nationality. I'm not worried about the fee as long as we don't pay him excessive wages to lure him away from Chelsea.
 
Not worry that much for the 30m transfer. It is madness, completely, but the world now is mad. And if it works, we will have a left back for the next 15 years.

100k/week on the other hand is stupid IMO. If Rafael next season plays as good as he did last season (better than Shaw has ever played) will he look for the same wage? What about Jones, Smalling and Evans? Adnan who is an arguably bigger talent than Shaw? What about Shaw himself 3-4 years from now when his contract is due to renewal? I hope that the club know these answers.
 
Not worry that much for the 30m transfer. It is madness, completely, but the world now is mad. And if it works, we will have a left back for the next 15 years.

100k/week on the other hand is stupid IMO. If Rafael next season plays as good as he did last season (better than Shaw has ever played) will he look for the same wage? What about Jones, Smalling and Evans? Adnan who is an arguably bigger talent than Shaw? What about Shaw himself 3-4 years from now when his contract is due to renewal? I hope that the club know these answers.
If he was a backup or rotation yes I would agree, anything more than 50k a week would be silly at 18 years of age but if the plan is to sign him as a starter and give him 100k a week on a 5 year contract, that would be reasonable. We would be paying 100k a week to a player who's starting week in and week out and not to an 18 year old. Instead of looking at what might our signings get, I'd rather we get rid of those players that don't deserve the salary they get like Ashley Young.

Anyway, would you lose someone like Shaw just because you're not ready to go up from let's say 70k to 100k? Would it be worth losing out on him considering our only left back option for next season is Buttner?

I'd like to add that with our current situation with central midfield and left back positions, clubs will more than likely try to hold us at ransom.
 
There's more money than ever coming into the game and of course United itself. The figures thrown around for the new kit deal alone will lead to all our players asking for and receiving more money. Unfortunately, you can bet some of this will be passed on in ticket prices down the line
 
100k/week on the other hand is stupid IMO. If Rafael next season plays as good as he did last season (better than Shaw has ever played) will he look for the same wage? What about Jones, Smalling and Evans? Adnan who is an arguably bigger talent than Shaw? What about Shaw himself 3-4 years from now when his contract is due to renewal? I hope that the club know these answers.

I think we need to accept that it's basically £100k a week min for a first team player from here on.
 
They were spot with Moyes' situation from the beginning which was quite amazing.

Wouldn't be surprised if they know from who are all the recent info leaks are coming from.

Nice one. If true then we really are serious this summer.
 
Another side to this is the squad will all be demanding huge wages sooner rather than later...

Rooney's salary can be somewhat argued, but if a kid comes in with no experience of note! especially when compared with our current squad, then everyone's agent is going to be goings nuts demanding parity.

I realise i've jumped ahead more than a few steps here, and it is nothing against Shaw (he is a great talent)


edit: my connection is slow...so i'm behind the chat
 
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