Are we fighting for 7th next season or trying to win the league? What the hell would we wont with Schneiderlin? Jeez.. His not going to improve us we need better quality not another utility man.
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No I would not like to link comments, you should be well aware of them before telling me Fellaini, Cleverley and Fletcher are as good a player. You know, if you've seen the player and are aware of his situation. Wenger is, perhaps he knows better and therefore his comments prior to Arsenals game against Southampton 3 months ago would be more on the mark than your comments.
What am I just reading ? Schneiderlin would be an exponential improvement on our midfield. And we wouldn't even have to make a huge bid for him. 15-20 millon would easily seal the deal and that's peanuts in today's market. His passing range is certainly not limited. And passing isn't supposed to be his strong suit anyway when he's not supposed to be the playmaker. He's a ball terrier that specialises in recycling possession much like Sven Bender or Lars Bender do or recently Jordan Henderson has done to great effect for Liverpool. Even so he averages almost 90 % pass efficiency. Again he's not a playmaker. He's a high energy defensive midfielder/ box to box like Owen Hargreaves of which we have none considering that Fellaini's terrible as a DM and his best position is a faux No. 10. And Morgan's not a fouling machine by any means when he averages just 1.5 per game. He's a brilliant ball hogger with good reading of the game that has 3.5 successful tackles, 2.1 interceptions and 1.5 interceptions per game which are among the highest in the league.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think it was @kouroux that said he rated Schneiderlin as France's second best midfielder behind Pogba and from what I've seen of him at Southampton, he'd definitely improve us tenfold. For starters, if we bought him, he'd walk straight into our first team. He's fairly young too so there's very much room for improvement.
Is he better than Gareth Barry? I've watched him and his very neat and tidy.. But we need a leader in the middle of the park, that can lead at the top level.
Good assessment of Schneiderlin. He absolutely looks the part. I think Carvalho would be the bigger risk from the little I've seen of him.
Spot on. Schneiderlin would easily improve us and as you say offers the high energy defensive game that we've sorely lacked. He is basically everything Fellaini was meant to bring (but actually doesn't) and more. Claiming he fouls too much is absurd too, as you say 1.5 fouls per game is if anything quite low for his style of play. For 15-20m I think it'd be a great buy.
Schneidy is like a range of decent PL DMs including Nzonzi and Malumbu who are a pain to play against but aren't the answer.
For me Schneiderlin is a far better footballer than Carvalho. Carvalho is more power and not enough footballer. Schneiderlin is a great footballer and really is not afraid to really get into a challange.
I have seen some of Carvalho, and it has been good, but I don't think he stands out that much as a playing midfielder (he has contributed to some plays and scored some goals), but it's not enough I feel and he is playing in Portugal as well, and that is a poor league compaired to the PL.
Schneiderlin I have seen very, very often this year. He is a player that never goes missing, he has great passing, his positioning is great and he is really into trying to dominate his area. It is overlooked, because people tend to overlook most of the important work of a midfielder and they will rather notice the guy next to the great midfielder that is running around at full speed like an idiot and making stupid tackles.
You are crealy showing that you do not understand the game of football or you have watched very few Southampton matches. The two midfielders you are mentioning is decent all round, but they are not great at anything.
Schneiderlin is great at many things. The most evident, is his passing. But, he is also great at almost everyting else. He is very, very disciplined, has the same reading of the game and positioning as Carrick and really want to dominate his space. Him wanting to claim midfield like that tells me that he got a winning mentality.
Like Carrick (he is in many ways a very similar player), who I supported strongly when many on here failed to see what he was putting in, people will keep on overlooking him until the media or a ex-player or manager comments on how good he really is.
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Apparently we've made a bid for left back and it's not Shaw, so it looks unlikely we'll get him now, unless both, Buttner and Evra are leaving.
http://www.fanatix.com/news/manchester-united-make-surprising-official-bid-for-left-back/227423/
http://www.fanatix.com/news/manchester-united-make-surprising-official-bid-for-left-back/227423/
What the heck is fanatix?
Lol don't shoot the messenger.
The reports linking us with Shaw are a lot more reliable than this. I don't think a Bosnian site would pick up the story before a German or English one if there was any truth to it. Although I'd like this story to be true it does seem like complete bollocks, the fee is far too low as well.
It's from the same people as Caughtoffside. They just write about stories that appear in any papers or other sites.
Pretty sure we make bids for backup targets all the time, they just go unreported and we don't see them through if the main target is signed.
Schneiderlin is a fantastic player and he can run forever. The first game against Southampton he chased down Danny well into the last 10 minutes of the match after Danny came on as a substitute 5 minutes earlier. He reminds a lot of how Fletcher played towards the end of the 08-09 season and Hargreaves during the 07-08 campaign. Schneiderlin is no slouch on the ball and recycles possession like Cleverley with the tenacity to chase the ball down and allow the team more solidity defensively. He will get forward when needed, but what he would really add to this team is allowing Carrick and hopefully another creative CM we buy this summer to play with more freedom and be more creative with his passing.
I honestly don't remember if I said things that explicitly but Schneiderlin has been among the best performing french CMs of these last two seasons with Pogba and Matuidi. He's been better than Cabaye IMHO.
This.
...this is the Luke Shaw thread, right?
If Van Gaal is the new man, I can kind of see this one not happening. It goes against LVG policy.
Exactly this. It's getting a bit out of control how many Southampton players we're apparently on the sniff round.
Shouldn't be forgotten they're below us this year even after our disastrous season
Only Shaw is good enough, for me.
I like Lallana, and he might be a target if he played in an area where we're weak. But he plays in the position where we're strongest - we already have Rooney, Mata and Kagawa who prefer to play there (and Januzaj is excellent there too). On paper we have a better selection of players in that position than any other team in the league.
As for Schneiderlin, he's just nowhere near the quality we need. Put Carrick in that Southampton team this season instead and he'd have been doing twice as much.
I like Lallana, and he might be a target if he played in an area where we're weak. But he plays in the position where we're strongest - we already have Rooney, Mata and Kagawa who prefer to play there (and Januzaj is excellent there too). On paper we have a better selection of players in that position than any other team in the league.
As for Schneiderlin, he's just nowhere near the quality we need. Put Carrick in that Southampton team this season instead and he'd have been doing twice as much.
Agreed on all of them. I actually really rate Lallana but signing him just makes no sense. It's a bit similar to the Cavani link, I rate him but the transfer doesn't make footballing sense.
This Southampton obsession is getting way out of hand. It reminds me of Villa a couple of years back when they had Milner, Barry, Young, Downing, Agnonlahor etc and were constantly fighting for Europe. Most of their big players went to bigger clubs and failed. Southampton are doing well because they play as a team and have a decent manager, same as Villa under O'Neill. One thing is playing well for a midtable club but moving to bigger clubs with superstars everywhere around you is a different kettle of fish.
We have made the same mistake many times the last years, signing overrated wingers from average PL/Championship sides. Please, let us sign some real quality for once and not Schneiderlin/Lallana etc. I'd rather keep Cleverley/Young than paying overprice for the other two to be honest.
We have made the same mistake many times the last years, signing overrated wingers from average PL/Championship sides. Please, let us sign some real quality for once and not Schneiderlin/Lallana etc. I'd rather keep Cleverley/Young than paying overprice for the other two to be honest.
Agreed. Jesus, I so badly hope the Cavani rumours are bollocks.
Agree with this. The players to take from teams like this are the ones that would come here and have the same role e.g Shaw could come and slot in at left-back as he has done at Southampton. It might be slightly different for him and he might be left 1v1 a bit more often but he has shown huge potential in that role.
Players like Young, Milner at Villa, Lallana at Southampton and Adam at Blackpool benefit from having a large influence in their side which they are unlikely to be given at a top club.
I like Schneiderlen as a player but we already have 7 players (Carrick, Fletcher, Fellaini, Cleverley, Powell, Anderson?, Giggs?) on our books that I would regard as squad players in midfield given their level of ability or stage of career which is how I would regard Schneiderlen if we signed him. We need to sign somebody who will take us up a few levels in this area.
Surely signing van Gaal as a manager would mean looking for talented players across the Europe? We focus on home grown players mainly, which is understandable considering we had Ferguson and Moyes as managers, however I don’t expect LVG to be biased towards british players, in which case Lallana and Schneiderlin are highly doubtful IMO.
Anybody watching Saints-Everton?
Shaw is keeping Coleman very, very quiet.
Shaw is keeping Coleman very, very quiet.
Yup, good performance so far, Clyne has been good on the other side too.
Clyne's been the more impressive of the 2 fullbacks but aye, he's doing well.
Don't get your hopes up though KM. In fact, try not to even think about it!
Don't get your hopes up though KM. In fact, try not to even think about it!
Clyne's been the more impressive of the 2 fullbacks but aye, he's doing well.
Don't get your hopes up though KM. In fact, try not to even think about it!
He's ours Carl. Get the tattoo done.
Shaw hasn't really been given much work to do, tbf. Clyne's pace gives him a lot of room to recover from any mistakes
Clyne is playing well. Chambers is better
I can't remember Clyne making any mistakes today. He had Deulofeu in his back pocket all game.
Clyne was class today.
Guess you were in the bathroom when he clattered into Deulofeu to give up a dangerous freekick on the edge of the box. His best side is the right, the same one where he put in the cross past Shaw to Lukaku who missed an easy goal or in the 2nd half when he beat Shaw (On the right) to be through 1v1 on the keeper but was incorrectly ruled offside
I probably was, to be honest. And I'm guessing you went to the bathroom for the rest of the game once Deulofeu got the free kick (you know, getting a bit excited and all because that was the only joy he got out of Clyne) and missed where Clyne had Deulofeu in his pocket for the whole game, as I mentioned before, and rightly getting MOTM.
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