Having Evra stay and help him along lowers the risk for me. I understand £30m is a lot of money but if we miss out him and goes to Chelsea, becomes the best, or one of the best, LBs in the world then a few on here will ask why we didn't pay the money, a bit like Hazard really. Also, I would think Fergie is helping things along for now until we bring a new manager in.
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Tbh, the City and Chelsea cases are very different. They spend money which wasnt generated by their club (this is slowly changing at Chelsea apparently). In our case, we are generating our own money. And besides, havent we always spent big on players, right through our history?
It's a lot of money, but he's nailed on to be a star and there aren't that many top quality left backs about at the minute. It's not my money so I don't care how much they pay. Same with the Fellaini transfer; I've been a bit disappointed with him so far, but I'm not fussed that we paid £27.5m for him. I'd be disappointed had we paid £5m for him, that said I do think he's good enough to be an important member of the squad over the next few years. A good World Cup, pre-season with the squad, and an injury free start to next season will do him the world of good.
Gregory van der Wiel will be coming with LVG. cheaper.
Also half the player Luke Shaw.. not to mention he is a right back not a left back.
Probably because the money you spend on one player the less you'll have for the next target that comes along...
And how is that related to us signing Shaw?
We are talking a minimum of £10mil really for an unknown coming into United these days. The January we signed Vidic and Evra, that would be an outlay of £15mil per player now.
20-30 is the new norm for top clubs to be spending.
20-30 is the new norm for top clubs to be spending.
This is ridiculous. I know we need a left back and our pull has lessened since we have no CL next season but we don't need to throw those kind of figures around if this is true. He's still young and if it works out if could be a great piece of business but we are still taking a huge, possibly unnecessary, risk with him.
For the World Cup qualifiers, Van Gaal preferred Janmaat ahead of Van der Wiel. Might even prefer him ahead of Van der Wiel at the World Cup. My guess is Van Gaal (if he were to become manager) signs Janmaat as a back up for Rafael for roughly 6 million pounds and Bruno Martins Indi as a 4th choice centre-back/3th choice left back for 8 million pounds.
Janmaat and Bruno Martins Indi are the defenders he has liked the most in the qualifiers and they both don't intervene with us possibly buying Luke Shaw.
People were unsure of getting De Gea for what remains the second or third highest fee ever paid for a keeper when he signed, wouldn't swap him for anyone now though. I don't want every player in the team to be a big money signing, but given this has been a problem position for us for the past few years now, I'm not going to complain about a high quality and long term signing to solve it.
Transfer fees should be the last thing we talk about because strengthening the squad is priceless.
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Fair point, however, with Evra's future uncertain and having no backup of note, I'd rather we spunk what's needed to get the best talent, rather than what's needed to balance the books. Left back and midfield are top top priorities and we should be glad that the club is looking to spend big to address these issues. And its not like its a 27 million pound Fellaini that we're looking to buy here.
Because, unless he assists on a level that Baines has done and is still defensively solid, both of which I am not sure he will, he will not be worth it.
Crazy money and Crazy wages for an 18 year old.
30m, and he won't be an improvement over Evra, but he'll make the glazers a lot of money in shirt sales over his career no doubt.
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Erm, yes he will. Even at his current ability he's an upgrade over Evra who's been a defensive liability for us over the last few seasons. Not to mention that Shaw probably has the potential to be one of the best in the world in his position.
Also, why would the 'Glazers' spend £30million on a largely unknown English left back for shirt sales?
Edit: Please tell me you're trolling and I've just missed the point.
Evra's career is nearly over and is a defensive liability; Shaw is only 18. He doesnt have to be an improvement right away.
What's the 'lul' for? You dont agree that the club is run brilliantly, from a financial point of view?
I dont understand that part either.Erm, yes he will. Even at his current ability he's an upgrade over Evra who's been a defensive liability for us over the last few seasons. Not to mention that Shaw probably has the potential to be one of the best in the world in his position.
Also, why would the 'Glazers' spend £30million on a largely unknown English left back for shirt sales?
Edit: Please tell me you're trolling and I've just missed the point.
Having quality homegrown players is so vitally important with the current rules. It also allows us to be more experimental with foreign players.
For a 18 year old with zero European and International experience
Ok then, i'd suggest selling Welbeck and Cleverly for a combined 250 million then!
@Tarrou my reply is not directed at you, more just how crazy this transfer fee seem to me, so no offence mate
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Once the transfer has been paid then i don't care at all, but until the money is spent i can't help thinking the team need strengthening in other departments more.
Also some fans beat players with their transfer fees after every bad game they have...so it is important and worth considering/discussing.
We all said the same thing when Rio came, granted he wasn't on 100k wages, but I'm ok with this transfer fee. The lad will be our LB for 10 odd years.
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I was going to post the first part [shirt sales] for a laugh earlier, then decided against it, then when i went 'lul' that was saved in drafts and put in my post.
The lul is because I don't think the money men are as good as some people think, putting aside the debt debate, and the sponsorship stuff.
I think Moyes was poorly supported in the transfer window last summer which had a hugely detrimental effect on the past season, and led to two ill advised panic buys in a vain attempt to boost morale. The transfer fee in this case doesn't concern me, but the rumour about the wages do, especially at a time when we don't have a manager. I know a few people responded to my post about that and raised some valid points, but I still think it could set a bit of a bad precedent for the future.
But ref shirt sales I still think it's a valid point really, if he reaches the potential some believe he's capable of, revenue through shirts and sponsorship with him being English will be huge. And there is an element of truth regarding Evra comparison as well, I think Evra had a better season last year than most are remembering and I don't see why under a different coach/manager he can't regain that defensive intelligence again this coming season and help Shaw integrate into the first team. I would worry about the pressure on an 18yr old dumped straight into first team every week, he would be targeted, he would make mistakes and as you say when money like this is being thrown around people use it as a tool against those players.
I was going to post the first part [shirt sales] for a laugh earlier, then decided against it, then when i went 'lul' that was saved in drafts and put in my post.
The lul is because I don't think the money men are as good as some people think, putting aside the debt debate, and the sponsorship stuff.
I think Moyes was poorly supported in the transfer window last summer which had a hugely detrimental effect on the past season, and led to two ill advised panic buys in a vain attempt to boost morale. The transfer fee in this case doesn't concern me, but the rumour about the wages do, especially at a time when we don't have a manager. I know a few people responded to my post about that and raised some valid points, but I still think it could set a bit of a bad precedent for the future.
But ref shirt sales I still think it's a valid point really, if he reaches the potential some believe he's capable of, revenue through shirts and sponsorship with him being English will be huge. And there is an element of truth regarding Evra comparison as well, I think Evra had a better season last year than most are remembering and I don't see why under a different coach/manager he can't regain that defensive intelligence again this coming season and help Shaw integrate into the first team. I would worry about the pressure on an 18yr old dumped straight into first team every week, he would be targeted, he would make mistakes and as you say when money like this is being thrown around people use it as a tool against those players.
For a 18 year old with zero European and International experience
Ok then, i'd suggest selling Welbeck and Cleverly for a combined 250 million then!
@Tarrou my reply is not directed at you, more just how crazy this transfer seem to me, so no offence mate
Yeah I really think it is worth it. We've seen some players go for similar fees to the French clubs who are a lot more punty than Shaw would be.
At 18 and looks very accomplished and is already playing consistently well. He's got every attribute you'd want for a left back. I don't see many safer bets out there in his position, so paying a big fee for him is justified, IMHO.
Just because we're United, any decent young left-back from overseas is gonna cost a minimum £15 million I'd say (say someone like, Rodriguez for example). So I'd rather just pay the extra and get Shaw, who already looks class in the PL at 18.
What an absolutely ridiculous deal. If this is true, the club has become an absolute shambles.
Either way, a few years down the line we'll be screwed. If Shaw's a success then he'll be demanding even more ridiculous money when his contract is up for renewal, and if he flops we'll be left with a player on £100,00 p/w who will be impossible to shift, and £30 million out of pocket.
Unbelievable.
Either way, a few years down the line we'll be screwed. If Shaw's a success then he'll be demanding even more ridiculous money when his contract is up for renewal, and if he flops we'll be left with a player on £100,00 p/w who will be impossible to shift, and £30 million out of pocket.
Unbelievable.
30m is not too bad, what are people seriously thinking could get him for?
£30m is top end, but there no chance we could get him for less than 20m
Hes English
Hes arguably been the best left back in the league
Potentially on route to be the best left back in the world in a few years
Hes 18 (Can get 10 -15 years out of him)
£30m is top end, but there no chance we could get him for less than 20m
Hes English
Hes arguably been the best left back in the league
Potentially on route to be the best left back in the world in a few years
Hes 18 (Can get 10 -15 years out of him)
Tend not to get fussed about transfer fees but the wages being talked about sound a bit mental. Especially when you consider that we may have lost Paul Pogba because of a reluctance to break our wages structure for a teenager who still has a lot to prove.
30 million is a fairly decent price to pay for one of the best defensive prospects around. When you factor in his age and constantly improving game the figure will seem a relative bargain in the long run. Thing is United doesn't set the tone of the market. The transfer fees and salaries are dictated by the selling clubs and player agents. Either pay up or lose out. I'd much rather we overpay a bit for top talent than settle for average ones. We've seen it happen before with us losing out on Hazard, Robben, Torres etc and most of complain about it now. So why not go with the flow of the market. I'm sure the decision makers would much rather pay a smaller figure but ultimately it's out of their hands. Look at it this way, if Shaw performs at a high level for the next decade how many of us would frown upon the initial cost ? He's already played 60 games for Southampton in the Premier League and is fairly experienced for his age. Even Phil Jones cost 18 million three years ago and had played only 35 times for Blackburn. When you want elite talent you have to at times give to the demands. You don't just pay up for the player they are, you pay up for the player you think they might become. If Luke Shaw becomes one of best leftbacks in football and offers longevity, the deal will look like a steal in time.
There's a difference in paying a player big money when he's established in a good PL team at 18 and already an international and coveted by huge clubs prepared to pay megabucks and breaking the bank for a player out of the youth team who has yet to make any impact.
Easy to look back and say it might have made sense to offer him a massive contract now he's a superstar.
Besides, isn't it generally accepted that he didn't leave because of money, rather he was pissed off with the lack of opportunity?
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Indeed. We paid more for Rio Ferdinand when nobody paid £30 million plus for defenders. That was money well spent.
Only one source reporting this, doubt it'll happen.
Nonsense.
To get the best you pay what other clubs are willing to pay.
If he succeeds the worse case scenario is selling him on abroad for a profit. Most likely he plays Left back for 10 - 12 years at least.
The figure quoted for wages is probably rubbish anyway. But it won't be long before most half decent players at top clubs are on £100k a week anyway.
The alternative is to try and find "value" and probably end up with a revolving door with umpteen players through it and probably nearly as much money spent.
Nothing is ever nailed on in football, but this lad looks as close as you can get to being a guaranteed sound investment.
To be honest, I'm not sure where we're supposed to get those 150-200m. If I remember correctly, we had something like 70-80m pounds in the bank BEFORE signing Mata. There will be an investment, probably our biggest summer spending, but I doubt it will go three figures.
Players like Fletcher, Cleverley, Gibson, Djemba-Djemba, Miller, and Kleberson have also been heavily criticised by fans and cost either very little, or nothing. It's hard to see the criticism being much worse had they been signed for £20m, it would be brought up but wouldn't necessarily affect the way they are perceived to have performed. Fellaini would get just as much abuse had he cost £10m, and fans would have just moaned that we didn't spend more money and sign a better player.
I'm sure some players do feel the weight of expectation when they're signed for these huge sums, but, at the same time it can give some of them an incredible confidence boost knowing that their new club believes in them enough to spend all that money on them.
It's certainly not the show briefing we've seen a few days ago.
I can’t wait until we actually get him (hopefully), and we start discussing his performances instead of that money talk. I find it utterly boring. But that’s just end of the season I guess.
Luckily, it’s world cup year.
Luckily, it’s world cup year.
I would like to see him arrive, regardless of fee or wages, but I'm not holding my breath.
All signs look positive and he'd be a great addition. A few of my Chelsea fans seems to have given up on signing him. Chelsea are taking FFP very seriously which is a major reason we can pull of this deal.
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