Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...

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This is a bit like the reports of Rooney's £300 grand a week contract when he's actually on something like £230 grand a week, isn't it?
 
I have a feeling that in the end it'll be one of those transfers where the fee isn't anywhere close to what rumors were suggesting.

Watch him end up at Chelsea for £20m and the "he chose to take £10m less to go to Chelsea instead of United" headlines roll in.
 
#07 said:
In footballing terms, as a roll of the dice its up there with Caesar crossing the rubicon. I just hope the kid has the strength of will to stand up and be counted. You can guarantee, at that price, every single error will be hyper analysed here, on twitter, in studios...
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Thing I'm concerned most about is, how much can you expect from a 18 or 19 years old? Sure he has the talent. But look at Phil Jones or Rafael the last years, they were young, wild and not even fully grown physically. So they had a lot of (impact) injuries, they both never were 40 matches a season players, not because they lacked talent, but because it's almost impossible for young players to keep a good level of play and remain fit at that age.
 
Shark22 said:
Ander Herrera is a pretty poor example to use in arguing against Shaw's worth. He was never worth anything close to that amount and I'm glad that we didn't pay it. I can remember people moaning about the De Gea fee, saying that it was too much for a goalkeeper, but look at how that turned out. Shaw is similar, we'll have him for a ridiculous amount of years in a position that's needed strengthening for some time now.
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Agreed, Herrera is and has always been incredibly average. Whatever anyone's personal views on Shaw, Herrera is not a relevant comparison. Thank god we didn't sign him. The misguided optimism would have lasted maybe two months before he was labelled 'the Spanish Cleverley'.
 
Dante said:
Why has this thread suddenly exploded because of a single article? Is it really that much more reliable than all the others we've seen in recent weeks?
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I don't think anyone's necessarily buying the article's claims, it's just a good starting point for a hypothetical discussion of Shaw's price.
 
Err, is there anything about this article that makes it true, because everyone just seems to have accepted it's not BS
 
£30m should never be paid for a LB or RB.

For a CB I can understand, but as we saw with Buttner against Bayern, even a fairly cheap LB can do a job. There is no way that Shaw (even over 10 years, for example) would be worth £30m plus 100,000+ wages.

I like the look of Alberto Moreno and Ricardo Rodriguez - both are young and talented and would cost a fraction of what Shaw would (assuming the recent articles are true)

We would be better off using the rest of the shaw money to invest in another CM or winger.
 
Dante said:
Why has this thread suddenly exploded because of a single article? Is it really that much more reliable than all the others we've seen in recent weeks?
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Just because we've brazenly leaking stories to Daniel Taylor and Jamie Jackson all season. Since this is one of them two it suggests its come from the club.

Personally I think they're better keeping shtum unless the guy basically signed. They're trying to deflect the Moyes thing with 'good news' but they'll look like total idiots if it falls through.
 
#07 said:
In terms of value to us I'd argue centre midfield is more important than left back. Also, Ander Herrera is a pretty good player. I don't think he looked particularly bad last week against Barcelona. Certainly at the level you'd expect to play for United.
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I never really understand statements like this. I mean, it's pretty obvious that we're also looking to bring in a top class CM too, so where's the problem? if we're willing to pay out 30m for a left back, well then we can afford to.
 
Will be interesting to see if Martinez starts Deulofeu opposite Shaw in their upcoming match with Mirallas out injured
 
B20 said:
Who is making the signing? Ferguson?
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Manchester United Football Club. He'll probably play left back if he joins. Would be a bit awkward if he just turned up at Fergie's house and SAF suddenly remembers he hasn't got a team anymore, he'd need to be ridiculously good at gardening and opening wine bottles to make up for £30m.
 
HabeasC said:
£30m should never be paid for a LB or RB.

For a CB I can understand, but as we saw with Buttner against Bayern, even a fairly cheap LB can do a job. There is no way that Shaw (even over 10 years, for example) would be worth £30m plus 100,000+ wages.

I like the look of Alberto Moreno and Ricardo Rodriguez - both are young and talented and would cost a fraction of what Shaw would.

We would be better off using the rest of the shaw money to invest in another CM or winger.
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£30m on a quality left-back that, if going by Evra's age, could well end up giving us 14 years. If we go for short-term solutions it's possible that the cost to maintain a decent standard in that position would rise and need to be shelled out every few years.
 
Woodward was going through summer transfer targets at Carrington yesterday according to one of the journos, can't remember which one.
 
He's worth splashing out huge amounts of money on.

Not fussed about wages, people make too much of a big deal about the sums that get reported in the papers. Any contract will be hugely incentive laden.
 
Couple weeks ago they were saying £70k and £27m or what not. I'm don't think they're sure on the fees and details but if the main aspect, the fact they're claiming he is choosing us over Chelsea, then I will be delighted.
 
If I'm the owner of Bayern or Sporting knowing that United are in for my players and are willing to spend £30m on an unproven LB, I'm jacking the price up on Kroos or Carvalho by £20m.
 
Orc said:
If I'm the owner of Bayern or Sporting knowing that United are in for my players and are willing to spend £30m on an unproven LB, I'm jacking the price up on Kroos or Carvalho by £20m.
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They'll do it anyway when they know we want them. Unfortunately no price will move Kroos anyway
 
Sixpence said:
Woodward was going through summer transfer targets at Carrington yesterday according to one of the journos, can't remember which one.
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Moyes you mean? I read that Moyes was supposed to have meetings with the agent of Shaw and another player. Was also scheduled to have talks on the future of Zaha and Powell.
 
I don't really care about the price at all. You either pay what the selling club wants or you end up with a Fellaini type purchase.

Pay whatever it takes if we've decided he is our first choice option.
 
Shinjisan said:
Moyes you mean? I read that Moyes was supposed to have meetings with the agent of Shaw and another player. Was also scheduled to have talks on the future of Zaha and Powell.
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No Woodward. He was working through the list.
 
gza the genius said:
I don't really care about the price at all. You either pay what the selling club wants or you end up with a Fellaini type purchase.

Pay whatever it takes if we've decided he is our first choice option.
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If this is the mentality we're going to have now shouldn't we stop accusing City and Chelsea of buying the title?

If we really do spend £150-200m and win the title next season that's exactly what people would say and they wouldn't be wrong. For years we've complained about those clubs doing it and saying it wouldn't be the "United way" if we did the same thing. Now we actually will be paying insane transfer fees and wages and many people are fine with it.

A bit hypocritical.
 
Seveneric said:
No, most likely Woodward as shocking and unheard of as that might seem.
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Why is Woodward playing sporting director? Doesn't seem like a mandate he should be giving himself.
 
Plugsy said:
£30m on a quality left-back that, if going by Evra's age, could well end up giving us 14 years. If we go for short-term solutions it's possible that the cost to maintain a decent standard in that position would rise and need to be shelled out every few years.
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The two I mentioned are both 21
 
Orc said:
If this is the mentality we're going to have now shouldn't we stop accusing City and Chelsea of buying the title?

If we really do spend £150-200m and win the title next season that's exactly what people would say and they wouldn't be wrong. For years we've complained about those clubs doing it and saying it wouldn't be the "United way" if we did the same thing. Now we actually will be paying insane transfer fees and wages and many people are fine with it.

A bit hypocritical.
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There are some special talents like Shaw who are definitely worth it. Better question are you happy that Hazard at Chelsea and not here? Because of this mentality we lost out on him. Not that we need to do it for every position and player but some are simply worth it and he defnitely is.
 
HabeasC said:
£30m should never be paid for a LB or RB.

For a CB I can understand, but as we saw with Buttner against Bayern, even a fairly cheap LB can do a job. There is no way that Shaw (even over 10 years, for example) would be worth £30m plus 100,000+ wages.

I like the look of Alberto Moreno and Ricardo Rodriguez - both are young and talented and would cost a fraction of what Shaw would (assuming the recent articles are true)

We would be better off using the rest of the shaw money to invest in another CM or winger.
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How can you say that?

People baulked at the Rio fee.
 
B20 said:
Why is Woodward playing sporting director? Doesn't seem like a mandate he should be giving himself.
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He's been in charge of transfers since he was appointed. Played a blinder with Mata by most accounts. An abortion last summer though.
 
A lot of people saying he is young and will give us ~10 years. Since he is a Chelsea fan( not the end of the world, but still) isn't there a chance for him wanting transfer after a few years. What guarantee we have that he will be loyal to us? Or is it ok if we sell him down the road on a profit?
 
Yeah.. 30m over 10-15 years is good value for somebody who is almost certainly going to be one of the best left backs going.
 
Orc said:
If this is the mentality we're going to have now shouldn't we stop accusing City and Chelsea of buying the title?

If we really do spend £150-200m and win the title next season that's exactly what people would say and they wouldn't be wrong. For years we've complained about those clubs doing it and saying it wouldn't be the "United way" if we did the same thing. Now we actually will be paying insane transfer fees and wages and many people are fine with it.

A bit hypocritical.
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The problem with your sense of thinking is that certain fans make assumptions about the level of our youth system. This has obviously surfaced form the legendary class of 92' and the fact that we were damn nearly self-sustainable well over a decade.

Unfortunately, due to losses like Ravel and Pogba, we are presently not in shape to compete with the likes of Citeh and Chelsea. Despite what people are saying about Liverpool and their title bid, they have spent a few bob to attain such. The sum is no more different than what we are reporting to spend this summer. For this, it is indeed very necessary to splash the cash and rebuild the squad. Bearing that in mind, we need to splash on the right player in doing such. With that, Luke Shaw is exactly what we need and as gza has stated - we'll be stupid not to pay what it takes.
 
Orc said:
If this is the mentality we're going to have now shouldn't we stop accusing City and Chelsea of buying the title?

If we really do spend £150-200m and win the title next season that's exactly what people would say and they wouldn't be wrong. For years we've complained about those clubs doing it and saying it wouldn't be the "United way" if we did the same thing. Now we actually will be paying insane transfer fees and wages and many people are fine with it.

A bit hypocritical.
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People have been saying that about us for the past couple of decades, largely because we've spent hugely. And if we spend that amount, it's with the intention of winning the champions league, not just the premiership.
 
Why do people get so worked up over how much we pay for players? We can clearly afford it, according to the brilliant money men that run the club, so why not?
 
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