Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...

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Señor said:
A tad overpriced but not my money so I could care less. If we've got the money, let's spend it.

I've got a nagging feeling we're slowly becoming Real Madrid.
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Not even Madrid spend £30 million on defenders. Shaw would become the equal 3rd most expensive defender of all time alongside Rio, just behind Marquinos (£30.1m) and Thiago Silva (£35.3m) both of PSG (who else?!)
 
If he works out like Rio and you get 10+ quality years out of him, then it's worth the money. But it has to be seen as a huge risk at that price. Assembling a squad sure is costly these days.
 
I know we haven't signed him yet but is this the first time we've (been reported to have) beaten Chelsea to a signing? Hazard, Mikel (yes I'm counting him too), Robben, Duff, Essien, the list goes on.
 
Plugsy said:
It is an outrageous amount, but then again I think it's outrageous you can't buy a Twix for 26p any more.
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A Toffee Crisp is about 65p these days. Couldn't believe it when I asked for one the other day. They were about 30p last time I checked. And they are visibly smaller too. Bloody loose in the packaging.
 
#07 said:
Not even Madrid spend £30 million on defenders. Shaw would become the equal 3rd most expensive defender of all time alongside Rio, just behind Marquinos (£30.1m) and Thiago Silva (£35.3m) both of PSG (who else?!)
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Pepe? Sergio Ramos? Fabio Coentrao?

Barcelona also paid a similar fee for Dani Alves. 30m now is not what 30m was back then.
 
Also happy that Evra is willing to stay and help Shaw along.
 
Couldn't give a monkeys about the price. We are desperate. He is a top talent and it would be a major coup for the club to sign him.
 
Zak Smith said:
Ridiculous if we are pushing ahead with transfers without a manager.
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I'm not convinced we don't have a manager. I think it'll eventually prove highly unlikely that we sacked Moyes one day then sat down to think of replacements the next. If it has already been agreed, I think whoever is announced as our new manager in the coming weeks, privately gave the thumbs up.
 
Exciting news if this goes ahead. Really glad that Evra may stay, too. He'll be a perfect "mentor" to Shaw and it means that we don't need to purchase another left back, given that Buttner will most likely be off.

The money is insane, but this is a product of our position. It must be done.
 
What I would say is that £30M is fine if he stays for the bulk of his career. Rio looks good money now, Rooney the same.

I've been very impressed by him every time I've seen him. Physically very mature for his age, great vision and decision making for a full back/teenager.

On the other hand I don't care how talented you are, teenagers have good spells and bad spells and can't be thrust into a 50 game season at a club like United. We still need two LBs, and Buttner does not look good enough. Evra to stay?
 
Obviously Jackson's pulled most of that out of his arse (the more details in an article like that, the more obviously bullshit it is). But hypothetically, I'd be surprised and a little worried to see him get such a high salary immediately.

I'm one of those who doesn't worry too much about inflated transfer fees - what's the point in that ridiculous annual profit we make if we aren't willing to throw it around a bit when we clearly need reinforcement in a certain position?

But wages are different, and wage structures are important. I believe you can afford to pay silly wages to your star player, and you often have to in this sugar-daddy era if you want to keep them. But start paying £100k/week to a teenager on his first contract with you, and you're sliding headlong down a very slippery slope. £60-80k would be far, far more than he's getting at Southampton, and a more reasonable compromise between economy and getting your hands on such a widely pursued young talent. £100k is too much.

Shaw is a superb player and a great prospect, and surely the number one target for our LB, but there's a bumper crop of talented young full-backs in football at the moment. In CM, we're likely to be held to ransom to get the quality we want, but there shouldn't be any need to get silly with wage offers to land a good LB.
 
#07 said:
Not even Madrid spend £30 million on defenders. Shaw would become the equal 3rd most expensive defender of all time alongside Rio, just behind Marquinos (£30.1m) and Thiago Silva (£35.3m) both of PSG (who else?!)
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They bought a 19 year old Ramos for £27m in 2005. That would be seen as extortionate now, never mind at prices 9 years ago.
 
Señor said:
Sergio Ramos? Barcelona also paid a similar fee for Dani Alves. 30m now is not what 30m was back then.
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Coentrão was around that mark too. I think Shaw would fall into the Coentrão category of overpriced rather than the Dani Alves good value category, though.
 
Sixpence said:
They bought a 19 year old Ramos for £27m in 2005. That would be seen as extortionate now, never mind at prices 9 years ago.
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Not to mention Pepe and Coentrao, both brought in for over €30m.
 
Sixpence said:
A Toffee Crisp is about 65p these days. Couldn't believe it when I asked for one the other day. They were about 30p last time I checked. And they are visibly smaller too. Bloody loose in the packaging.
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65? King Size was only about 42p
 
#07 said:
Genuinely can't believe we're going to pay £30 million for a full back when last season we refused to spend £30 million on Ander Herrera.

Beat Chelsea to the signature? Pure Woodward spin. Has Roman ever spent anything like £30 million on a defender? Fantasy land. He probably laughed as soon as he heard the figure quoted.

He's a good player, overrated because he's English, but a good player nonetheless. He'll make us stronger but will it prove to be value for money when money is so clearly needed to be spent elsewhere?
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They payed 25m for him. 5m more for a rare position. Do it!
 
Zak Smith said:
Ridiculous if we are pushing ahead with transfers without a manager.
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It's a problem. But it looks like it'll be weeks before we have a new manager. If we need to do this now or lose him - do it. The new manager is already inheriting a squad of 25 players without hand picking them. Might as well be 26 or so.
 
Madrid paid 30m Euros for Coentrao and they already had one of the best prospects in the world in his position.
 
I don't think the fee is that bad. It's slightly overpriced but if he stays here for 10+ years then it's money well spent.

The wage seems really over the top though. When you break a wage structure it can have a knock on effect throughout the squad in subsequent negotiations. I don't believe we will give him that amount.
 
Good example of the inflated prices English footballers go for. If he goes for 30, what does Barkley go for?
 
#07 said:
Genuinely can't believe we're going to pay £30 million for a full back when last season we refused to spend £30 million on Ander Herrera.

Beat Chelsea to the signature? Pure Woodward spin. Has Roman ever spent anything like £30 million on a defender? Fantasy land. He probably laughed as soon as he heard the figure quoted.

He's a good player, overrated because he's English, but a good player nonetheless. He'll make us stronger but will it prove to be value for money when money is so clearly needed to be spent elsewhere?
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Ander Herrera is a pretty poor example to use in arguing against Shaw's worth. He was never worth anything close to that amount and I'm glad that we didn't pay it. I can remember people moaning about the De Gea fee, saying that it was too much for a goalkeeper, but look at how that turned out. Shaw is similar, we'll have him for a ridiculous amount of years in a position that's needed strengthening for some time now.
 
Señor said:
Not to mention Pepe and Coentrao, both for over €30m.
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Euros and pounds are not the same. £1 has consistently been more than 1.1/1.2 euros and the pound has strengthened against the euro since Coentrao went to Madrid. I'm not good enough at maths to do the numbers but I'm pretty sure, even accounting for inflation, Shaw would be more in the PSG range of spending than the Real Madrid/Barcelona range of spending. Although admittedly the difference may be like £5 million which doesn't seem that large.

Still, £30 million on Luke Shaw sounds OTT. He's a good full back and could mature into a great full back. I hope, if this is true and he does join us, he quickly shows himself to be the best left back on earth to justify this investment.

Shark22 said:
Ander Herrera is a pretty poor example to use in arguing against Shaw's worth. He was never worth anything close to that amount and I'm glad that we didn't pay it. I can remember people moaning about the De Gea fee, saying that it was too much for a goalkeeper, but look at how that turned out. Shaw is similar, we'll have him for a ridiculous amount of years in a position that's needed strengthening for some time now.
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In terms of value to us I'd argue centre midfield is more important than left back. Also, Ander Herrera is a pretty good player. I don't think he looked particularly bad last week against Barcelona. Certainly at the level you'd expect to play for United.
 
There's talk that LvG isn't a big spender and would probably benefit more from having a DoF. Get them through the door asap and let the mental bastard manage.
 
Zak Smith said:
Ridiculous if we are pushing ahead with transfers without a manager.
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Well, Ancelotti is still at Madrid and may never become our coach. If you look at the bookies, all the odds are saying it's going to be LVGaal. The club reportedly already has held talks with him this week in Portugal (where he has a house) and has spoken with him a couple of weeks ago, so I'm sure they're on the same page.

Van Gaal is also a coach who likes to work with what he has got, at Bayern he only made two cheap signings from the Dutch league in his first season, Braafheid and Pranjic as back up players. Combined with the fact that Shaw is a quality player, he's British (which we like) and we have to make sure we don't have the same transferwindow saga as least year, it's not that ridiculous.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
There's talk that LvG isn't a big spender and would probably benefit more from having a DoF. Get them through the door asap and let the mental bastard manage.
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Shaw is the type of young, talented prospect he would love to work with. It would be a really nice fit.
 
Journalists talk a lot of bollocks yet we usually accept their word on wages for some reason. I'd be surprised if we're offering Shaw £100k a week from the off, much more likely IMO that the wages on offer would be incremental depending on appearances for such a young player. Say £50k a week for his first 100 games then up £75k and so on upto £100k over a 5 year deal.
 
Shinjisan said:
£30m and £100,000/wk for an 18 year old full back sounds extortionate. It's a huge gamble.
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In footballing terms, as a roll of the dice its up there with Caesar crossing the rubicon. I just hope the kid has the strength of will to stand up and be counted. You can guarantee, at that price, every single error will be hyper analysed here, on twitter, in studios...
 
Luke Shaw will grow to become one of the finest full-backs we've ever produced. Will be a fantastic signing and a real statement of intent.

Ironic that what may have been Moyes' most shrewd transfer of all comes after he's gone, though.
 
Why has this thread suddenly exploded because of a single article? Is it really that much more reliable than all the others we've seen in recent weeks?
 
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