Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...
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What do you expect him to say? You expect him to come out and say that Shaw is available to any potential suitors?
Yeah I think he wrote off the loans a couple of years ago.
Good for Southampton that Pochettino is pretty open to being there next season. As for what he said about Shaw, you wouldn't expect any differently.
Thanks for replying to that. Liverpool fans seem to keep reminding us that we are not in the CL and will thus face difficulty in getting players if CL clubs like Liverpool are interested.
"Of course there will be interest for him, but so far right now he's a player at Southampton and it looks as though it will continue that way."
Hardly the most convincing denial. Remember that time SAF said he wouldn't sell Real Madrid a virus and he sold them our best player instead? What people say in public and what is happening behind closed doors is rarely the same especially when it comes to transfers.
Shaw is a really good talent and has a lot of potential, but there are many good LBs out there who will not eat such a large amount of our budget up.
I'd rather pay 15-20m for someone else and then pay the extra 15m for a top quality CM or another player all together.
I'd rather pay 15-20m for someone else and then pay the extra 15m for a top quality CM or another player all together.
30 million for a left back is far too much.
This guy will offer a lot more than just your ordinary Left Back option. He remind me a lot of Gareth Bale in the way he run past defender.
The real bright spot about Shaw is that he recognizes that a full-backs first job is to defend properly.
And he's English, a rare commodity right now, we still need to obey this home grown malarkey so he's worth the premium they're asking for.
Ben Davies would cost about 10 and has shown as much promise as Shaw... But of course is not English.
Are you saying that because Davies is Welsh and not English he does not get the same hype as Shaw. You realize the most expensive player in the World is Welsh(and was coincidentally also a former LB for Southampton)? Shaw gets more attention and would cost more because he is significantly better than Davies.
He doesn't look anything like bale to me. He looks like a proper left back who is good going forwards and solid enough defensively. Not sure a left back is going to really elevate the teams levels, hence 30 million seems unnecessary.
I actually think a quality LB would elevate the team's level. In the system Moyes used at Everton the FBs provided the attacking width so that the wingers would able to play more centrally. Look at how important Baines was to their attack when Moyes was at Everton.
Baines was important to Everton. But I don't want us every playing anything like his Everton side.
I don't see how Evra isn't currently providing this attacking width. Shaw certainly isn't going to hugely improve on that. If anything, he's just going to help make us more solid defensively, which also could not happen immediately given he's only a teenager and playing at united would be a big step for him.
Every football fan on this board will prove mightily shocked if it turns out a chairman says something that turns out not to be true.
Has this ever happened before?!!!?!
Has this ever happened before?!!!?!
No I'm pretty sure it's unheard of. If Shaw were to leave this summer after his manager and chairman have said he is not for sale the game will be rocked to it's very core. The repercussions for both Pochettino and his chairman for publicly lying in relation to a players future will be wide raging. I expect the authorities to throw the book at them for such a breach of the morals of the game.
He only swapped them to Fordstam, the Chelsea holding co. If he called them in Chelsea would go under.
Technically were not allowed to sign players until June 1st.
It's widely known we want all deals done as early as possible to avoid commercial suicide.
It's widely known we are tapping up players but not officially confirming anything.
It would be shrewd business to sign players now but have an agreement with clubs that there will be no official announcements until June 1st thus placing us within the window.
Any club selling (especially in the prem) will be weary of keeping season ticket holders thus any early selling of players would he considered "weak".
It's widely known we want all deals done as early as possible to avoid commercial suicide.
It's widely known we are tapping up players but not officially confirming anything.
It would be shrewd business to sign players now but have an agreement with clubs that there will be no official announcements until June 1st thus placing us within the window.
Any club selling (especially in the prem) will be weary of keeping season ticket holders thus any early selling of players would he considered "weak".
Ben Davies doesn't have the same potential as Shaw.
Can people stop talking about 30m. One paper plucks this figure out of their arse and you all fall for it.
It will be Max 25-26m (as reported by everyone else except for this one paper) including ridiculous amount of add ons as usual with players so young.
It will be Max 25-26m (as reported by everyone else except for this one paper) including ridiculous amount of add ons as usual with players so young.
£30 million for any defender is a lot of money. We spent that on Ferdinand and the rest is history. Shaw has got that same potential so why not take a stab on him? Personally, he would be a brilliant signing for us.
Centre halves are usually priced higher than full backs though. Admittedly though a player of huge potential could be essential at right/left back position - see Alves at Barcelona, easily worth £30m for his contribution over the years.
It's one of those "£30m is a lot of money, but..." scenarios. He's 12, or there abouts, so if he has a decent career here it'll be well spent.
12?????
Give or take a semester, I believe
I think a centre back is a more crucial position than left back personally. The only time when spending 30 on a defender is justifiable is if it's a centre back who has it all to be one of the best of his generation. So Rio was the rare exception that was worth it IMO.
That was a decade ago so that 30 million would actually be a lot more in today's market. Personally I don't care about how much we spent, as long as the players we're spending the money on have it in them to become one of the best in their positions.
We'd be paying around 50m for Rio these days, just look at how much Mangala will probably go for. 30m really doesn't get you as much as it used to.
If we feel that we're financially sound enough to fork 30m out on a left back that could possibly be at the club for up to 15 years, well then what's the problem? if anything, that's a good thing.
Not at all, people underestimate how mandatory top class fullbacks are. And the problem with our central defence is not the individual abilities, it's the lack of consistent game-time and the ability to form a solid partnership. Look at Mertesacker and Koscielny, or Cahill and Terry. These players were given frequent game time to play with each other and assess their idiosyncrasies in order to create a partnership. If we gave Smalling - Evans a whole season together I'm almost certain they'd form a great partnership. Because individual defensive talent, Smalling is ridiculously quick, a beast in the air and his reading of the game is growing every game, whilst Evans has a great stand tackle, his positional sense is brilliant and he has the ability to play with the ball and bring it outfield. Not to mention, once we get a solid midfield pairing; Carvalho + 1 they'd help a lot for the cb's, it'd give them far more screening and protection, whilst also allowing a safer pass on the ball for them. Currently we play so far apart that players like Smalling, who aren't the strongest on the ball are forced to hoof it up.
If we think he can reach Rooney levels of talent then the fee makes sense, surely? Rooney went for basically the same fee 10 odd years ago, at the same age, so that sort of fee has to be the comparison if you're saying this guy is going to be one of the best players in the world in his position.
Big difference between a LB and a CF though so I don't think you can compare the two. In saying that I agree with those saying that £30 million would be a reasonable fee. If he fulfils his potential in 10 years time we will be looking back and saying what a good deal it was, even at that price. People said that £30 million was excessive for Ferdinand in 2002 but that looks like a bargain now.
Would be a great addition to the group of young English players we have. Him, Zaha, Powell, Welbeck, Smalling, Jones, Keane, Lingard...
Wasn't going to include Cleverley, but i guess he is the same age as Smalling.
Wasn't going to include Cleverley, but i guess he is the same age as Smalling.
Why? Apart from this old fashioned idea that attacking players are worth more than defenders, why can't you compare them? Full back is a much more important position than it was when Rooney was signed also.
It's just the way it is. Attacking players always have been and always will be considered more valuable than defenders. Can you imagine Real Madrid paying £80+ million on either Ronaldo or Bale if they were attacking full-backs instead of wingers? No defender has ever been bought for more than £40 million and there's a reason for that. Attacking players tend to be match winners more often than defenders therefore they are more valuable. A player who can get you 40+ goals a season is worth more than any defender.
Moyes currently at the Villa v Southampton game.
Attackers aren't necessarily more valuable than defenders in actual terms. But it is impossible for the selling club to demonstrate how much value added the defender represents in the same way that they can with a striker (goals and assists, for example). Selling something is not about its actual value but its demonstrable value, and that is why attackers will always fetch higher prices than equally important defenders.
The amount of travelling Moyes does people will be blaming him for Global Warming soon enough.
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