If Shaw can reach his potential then 30m will be great value just like the money spent on Rooney and Rio has proved to be.
You think Moyes will target a new RB in the summer?
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Except all reports have him with a similar 30m valuation.
Prices are going up every year and if we want the big talents then we'll have to pay for it because other teams are willing to pay it.
If we just look at England's best two LB's over the past decade or so, Cole and Baines, they each have a part of their game where they're absolutely world class in. Baines on his day is the best attacking fullback in the world and Ashley Cole was almost unbeatable defensively in his prime.
What exactly has Luke Shaw done or accomplished other than look pretty solid in a very well coached side? Does he really have a particular side of his game that he excels in that makes you say "oh, well I can see what he'll probably be when he's developed further?" He's okay going forward, doesn't provide assists and he's not great yet defensively. I think the media just goes crazy for him because he's young and English.
What exactly has Luke Shaw done or accomplished other than look pretty solid in a very well coached side? Does he really have a particular side of his game that he excels in that makes you say "oh, well I can see what he'll probably be when he's developed further?" He's okay going forward, doesn't provide assists and he's not great yet defensively. I think the media just goes crazy for him because he's young and English.
He's 18 and about to finish his second season in the Premier League. What more could you ask for right now?
Had a quick google and reports have it at about £15-£18m, so no, not all reports (the £30m one being the Daily Star...) have him at that valuation.
What he'd actually go for is another matter of course, Sevilla are notoriously difficult to negotiate with, but I very much doubt it would be as much as £30m.
Rio was bought over 10 years ago. £30m then was like a £50m signing these days, huge money, particularly for a defender. This is more like when Leeds got him for £18m, which was also big money for a defender (I think a record at the time), but when you know the player's class it doesn't matter so much.
Like I said, a glimpse of what he'll be when his potential is realized. What has he shown other than being "good?"
He's 18 and about to finish his second season in the Premier League. What more could you ask for right now?
I really don't mind overpaying for top class homegrown talent. I like that United has a British core and, with so few genuinely excellent British players, it's only reasonable that you'd have to pay over the odds to get them.
I only have a problem with this inflated price when the player is question is quite ordinary, like Ashley Young. In that situation paying over the odds really isn't worth it. Shaw is a top class prospect by all accounts though so that doesn't really apply to him.
Also, Ubik is dead right on how big Rio's fee was, we payed an insane amount for him at the time.
I only have a problem with this inflated price when the player is question is quite ordinary, like Ashley Young. In that situation paying over the odds really isn't worth it. Shaw is a top class prospect by all accounts though so that doesn't really apply to him.
Also, Ubik is dead right on how big Rio's fee was, we payed an insane amount for him at the time.
Just found out that Azpilicueta cost only £7m. He's been the best LB in the league this season and he's young too, only just turned 24 according to Wikipedia. Now a Spain international as well.
Is Shaw really worth £23m more? Maybe it's just some of these recent awful, high priced transfers we've made that's making me uneasy.
Is Shaw really worth £23m more? Maybe it's just some of these recent awful, high priced transfers we've made that's making me uneasy.
Worth is a relative thing, Rio isn't worth £23m more than Vidic either but I didn't much care. The question is can we afford it, and is the position important enough to warrant the money? Given how much we've been complaining about Evra for a few years, you might say yes to the latter. If there's a bargain that's of similar quality then you'd hope we went for that instead, but if it that doesn't exist then you have to go with what's available. I'd rather Shaw for £30m than Baines for £20m.
yes. Coleman has been mentioned a lot as has Mangala. Also a CB..unless Moyes is confident of Keane making the step up....but I think that will only be if he cannot get a new CB in. LB and one CM deals are done. If we cant get Kross we will still go for someone else.
As for the money for Shaw...if you want quality...you have to pay. Mind you the money for Carvalho and Shaw looks ok if you think what we paid for Fellani.
Rio was 24 when he came to us. Had over 200 first team appearances most of them in the top flight, captained Leeds, had played in the UCL and had become an England regular.
Very different circumstances.
Good point. You're right, I guess. Don't know if I'd agree about the Baines thing, though.
To put it into perspective for you, at £23m more, if you broke it down to 23m over the next 6 years (Until Shaw is 24) he'd cost £3.8m a season and you'd still have the best part of 10 years left in him.
Rio Ferdinand was 24 when we bought him, 6 years older than what Shaw is now.
For his age he is ridiculously good and will only get better. No transfer comes without risk, buying a young player reduces that risk if anything as it gives you more years to bring them up to the level you require and at worst, they retain some sort of resale value.
Actually no he wouldnt be. He's not even been the best young left back in la liga this season
As for Shaw £30 million is obviously too much. The only reason we should pay anywhere near that would be if we happen to have hundreds of millions of £ to spend in the summer if we feel like it. If for some reason we do have a bottomless pit of cash and Shaw is one of several expensive signings coming in, I guess its fine.
He'd be better for our league than any other young left back except Ricardo Rodriguez at Wolfsburg and I suspect he's playing too well to be ignored by all the big clubs, will cost around that same £30 million and it'd be incredibly difficult to get him to choose us when we arent in the champions league. Its not like he's English, getting to play for the biggest club in his home country.
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Bear in mind newspapers pluck these figures out of their arse to sell papers. Last week it was 25m.
Been shown many times that so called transfer fees are off with United (in fairness, some more expensive than we thought!) Whatever it is it will include many many add ons, it will also be the same or maybe a tiny bit more than another club was willing to spend. If chelsea were happy to pay 22m, id be happy to pay 25m. All relative
Been shown many times that so called transfer fees are off with United (in fairness, some more expensive than we thought!) Whatever it is it will include many many add ons, it will also be the same or maybe a tiny bit more than another club was willing to spend. If chelsea were happy to pay 22m, id be happy to pay 25m. All relative
When you boast about having 200m to spend, people are more than happy to spend it for you.
We don't boast, the newspapers have claimed that. Nothing from the club.
This obsession people have with deciding on a precise value above which such and such a player would not be a good signing never ceases to amaze me. I'm tempted to blame the Football Manager game but I didn't think that many people played it.
That's true, come to think of it only last season PSG signed Marquinhos for just under £30m.
Just like anything: there's a bargain, fair price, over-priced and complete rip-off.
Looks like Carvalho and Shaw are more or less sealed up by us. Don't really care about the price but I think the media do tend to overhype the price quite a lot. Usually these type of deals include all types of add ons based on appearances and us winning something etc etc.
It sounds like you are confident. I think if the figures involved are anywhere near being accurate then there is a good chance. Money talks.
I think we are a good sell for younger players at the moment. Our troubles and holes in the squad looks to them like a good opportunity at this stage of their career. I am sure that Mendes will tell Carvalho that he can follow the path of Ronaldo if he works hard. In turn we will grease Mendes palm suitably.
Shaw and Carvalho would be a step in the right direction. Taking it with a pinch of salt until it's confirmed, but I'd be over the moon with those two, regardless of the price.
He's probably worth £20m but take into account that he will probably be our left back for years to come the extra money is worth sacrificing imo.
Baffles me this, £30m for Shaw, £40m for Kroos. At least £300,000 per/w wages between them - do people honestly believe this is going to happen? You will be in for a long and painful summer - think some people have taken the £200 million "transfer kitty" to heart a little to much.
The answer to your question is no he isn't but thats because Azpilicueta is now worth more than £7m.
The problem here appears that half the caf have, understandably, nodded off in their economics classes.
I can't help but feel that most of the people talking about Shaw's potential as a world class fullback are basing their views on Football Manager.
He looks a decent enough player, but hardly a standout. Not to mention that he plays as a defender for an unglamourous team that I doubt many people watch often enough to get a true view of his consistency.
That said, I do actually want us to sign him because it's hard to believe the hype isn't at least partly justified. But some of the rhapsodising in this thread seems a little much to me.
£30m seems insane though, regardless of how good he becomes. He'll still only ever be a ruddy left back.
He looks a decent enough player, but hardly a standout. Not to mention that he plays as a defender for an unglamourous team that I doubt many people watch often enough to get a true view of his consistency.
That said, I do actually want us to sign him because it's hard to believe the hype isn't at least partly justified. But some of the rhapsodising in this thread seems a little much to me.
£30m seems insane though, regardless of how good he becomes. He'll still only ever be a ruddy left back.
Alaba is smiling at this sentence somewhere.
That's completely undermining the importance of the fullback in modern day football.
Why do so many of you behave as if we've got some stupid kid in charge of finances of the club who's sanctioning these deals on a whim without considering everything any of you could consider and more? People with much superior knowledge of the club finances and finance in general will either agree or disagree to pay 30mil on Shaw. If they do agree to do it, I dont understand the hue and cry here, they wont ask you to pitch in.
He's a £15m talent with 20% tax added on for each of the following: Nationality, competition, current club finances, desperation.
Weren't Madrid after Moreno for £20m+ as well?
Weren't Madrid after Moreno for £20m+ as well?
He doesn't look like an Evra, a Rafael or a young Bale though. All those players can orchestrate attacks from fullback in a way I've never seen from Shaw.
Make sure you tell them to ignore people on the internet when they consult you about what to do next.
Bale was never much cop as a full-back, so that's an odd name to throw in there. Only hit his straps when he was taken out of defence.
Shaw has always looked like a top class attacking full-back to me whenever I've watched Southampton. Defensively solid too. Obviously, nobody knows how much scope he as for improvement but he's already one of the best left backs in the league and he's still in his teens. Would obviously be a very good signing.
I was thinking more when he was at Southampton. Bale used to run the show at times. I'm happy to be corrected on Shaw, just never seen it myself.
I couldn't care how much we pay and how much we don't as long as we get our men. Woodward and co aren't idiots we must surely have the financial mussel to pay the big prices so we're doing that. The reason last summer was so shambolic was because of our clueless offers and us dicking around instead of getting the deal done with the right price nice and early. People wanted us to pay the best prices instead of wasting time and now when they say we shouldn't pay inflated prices. Guess nothing can please the humans. The same people would then moan and rage at the club for not paying the best price when Shaw becomes a top player for another club.
I'll admit to not watching much of Bale at Soton, just highlights. His main attribute at the time was brilliant free-kicks, as far as I can remember. Saw much more of him at LB for Spurs, where he wasn't great. Perhaps he was never cut out to be a PL quality fullback?
Shaw looks like a competent, well-rounded PL fullback already though. Which is very impressive for his age.
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